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primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« on: August 09, 2012, 09:15:06 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021098364

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Why Mitt Romney Is Losing

Romney's failure to surpass Barack Obama this summer stems in no small part from his reluctance to make any bold moves on policy, and this reluctance is a direct product of the beating he's taken from conservative critics for much of the last year.

The basic rap on Romney -- who represented, let us not forget, the conservative alternative to John McCain during the 2008 race for the Republican presidential nomination -- was that he wasn't sufficiently conservative. To reassure conservative primary voters, Romney embraced positions on a wide range of issues, from immigration to taxes, that are more popular among reliable Republicans than among swing voters.

As the political analyst Sean Trende, author of "The Lost Majority," has argued, the central dilemma facing the Romney campaign is that it has essentially secured all of the low-to-medium hanging fruit for a Republican presidential candidate by condemning Obama's economic record. Yet this hasn't been enough to give Romney a lead over the incumbent president.

Indeed, there is at least some reason to believe that the Romney campaign is losing ground. This strongly suggests that the GOP needs a more positive message with crossover appeal. The trouble, of course, is that Romney's efforts to inoculate himself against charges of squishiness have made it very difficult for him to pivot to the center.

. . . Right now, the Romney campaign seems to believe that it can defeat Obama by running a conventional and cautious campaign. But as the weeks go by and the president's lead remains frozen in place, this is starting to look like a bad bet.

read more: http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/opinion/salam-romney-struggle/index.html

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1. He has high negs among republicans

They have made up their mind on this guy months ago. In polls the biggest factor for supporters was dislike of Obama so within the GOP-osphere the question is 'Do you dislike Obama more than you dislike Romney?' and that alone is a disaster for the GOP.

Romney can't get out of it. He can't run away from his past because he has used up all of his credibility. I think Romneycare really hurts him with the GOP base.

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2. has no mojo like obama

Look at the man. No charisma. Does not have the ability to have a coherent thought and speak them.

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3. He's losing because the Obama campaign is highly effective

There really isn't a need to psychoanalyze the ****ed up Romney campaign as if Mitt is only losing because of Mitt. It's Obama dear Media.

Stupid pundits.

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6. Obama campaign execution has been near flawless, it's easier when the main guy takes

...positions that are defendable.

Ho hum.

The primitives are desperate to stave off the Inevitable.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2012, 09:25:14 AM »
Take a D+19 sample from a R+2 electorate and Obama is sure to lead by 4...allowing for a 3-point margin of error.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 09:27:49 AM by SGT Snuggle Bunny »
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2012, 09:30:44 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on August 09, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Take a D+19 sample from a R+2 electorate and Obama is sure to lead by 4...allowing for a 3-point margin of error.

We're going to see a lot of this, from the primitives and the "mainstream" news media.

Baghdad Bob procreated a lot.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 09:42:10 AM »
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2. has no mojo like obama

Look at the man. No charisma. Does not have the ability to have a coherent thought and speak them.

Dammed if this one didn't describe obama to a tee...I guess now we know what they look for in a candidate to support them....
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 09:44:09 AM »
Also, this early, Obama should be up by double-digits.

He's not.  Optimistically, MOE margins.  

The undecideds?  Here's a statement for you, courtesy of Dick Morris:  "If I asked a married person if they would be married next year, and they said, 'I'm undecided,' that marriage is in serious trouble, and on its way to ending.  It's the same for undecided voters--they always break for the challenger."

(For the record--I'll be married next year, and the year after that, and the year after that, and . . . so on.)
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 11:29:43 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on August 09, 2012, 09:25:14 AM
Take a D+19 sample from a R+2 electorate and Obama is sure to lead by 4...allowing for a 3-point margin of error.

The poll skewing is no longer trying to discourage republicans, it is trying to keep a depressed democrat party base interested.

BTW, Carter was ahead by about 18 points at this time in 1980. The fact that King 0bama is not above 50% is very, very bad for the boy king.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 11:43:14 AM »
Someone refresh my memory...aren`t these the same people that said Senator Brown and Governor Walker were history?
"Bank on it" or some drunken sounding gibberish from a dunce seems to ring a bell.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 11:45:45 AM »
I wonder if the DUmmy tears are going to be sweet tasting come November? :drool:
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 11:53:18 AM »
Quote from: Gina on August 09, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
I wonder if the DUmmy tears are going to be sweet tasting come November? :drool:

They're going to taste even better than a Chik-fil-hate sandwich.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2012, 12:25:44 PM »
Quote from: jukin on August 09, 2012, 11:29:43 AM
BTW, Carter was ahead by about 18 points at this time in 1980. The fact that King 0bama is not above 50% is very, very bad for the boy king.

Was reading the Limbaugh Letter during lunch.  Said there that a week before the election, Carter was up by 5 or 6%.  Right before a landslide.

Anyhow, Ras has Romney by 4 points again today.  Last two days were neck-and-neck. 
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2012, 01:14:01 PM »
The real campaign season hasn't even started yet. Wait until the convention when Romney can start using his campaign donations. Nobody's paying attention right now.

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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »
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2. has no mojo like obama

Look at the man. No charisma. Does not have the ability to have a coherent thought and speak them.

To bad having mojo doesn't automatically make one a good President.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2012, 02:27:08 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on August 09, 2012, 09:30:44 AM
We're going to see a lot of this, from the primitives and the "mainstream" news media.

Baghdad Bob procreated a lot.



Obama is ahead by a mile.  It will be a landslide.  Nothing to see here.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2012, 02:29:36 PM »
Quote from: RWKindaGuy on August 09, 2012, 02:27:08 PM


Obama is ahead by a mile.  It will be a landslide.  Nothing to see here.

Yep.

That picture and your comment is what I had in mind.  Exactly.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2012, 02:40:42 PM »
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Obama is ahead by a mile.  It will be a landslide.  Nothing to see here.

IIRC, the M1A2s and M2A2s of 3rd ID were almost parading behind him.
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Re: primitives tell us why November's winner is actually losing
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2012, 03:27:46 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on August 09, 2012, 02:40:42 PM
IIRC, the M1A2s and M2A2s of 3rd ID were almost parading behind him.

Yep, me and the 3ID have a long history together.  And the 24th before it.  Great units, both.
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