Bertha Butt needs help against her aunt.

[thundley4]

My aunt on FB. Dammit. De-bunk help?

She posted a link to an FB group called Repeal It Now. That site says:

Lie: You can keep your own doctor. Truth: Americans will lose employer based health coverage and be forced into exchanges--and new doctors. Lie: It won't add one penny of new taxes. Truth: ObamaCare is the largest tax increase in American history. Lie: We won't add to the deficit. Truth: Recent costs estimates show tha...t we will take on trillions of dollars of new debt. Lie: ObamaCare will help Medicare and won't hurt seniors. Truth: ObamaCare steals more than $500 billion in physician reimbursements from Medicare. Doctors are already refusing patients. Lie: We won't ration healthcare. Truth: Rationing is part of the plan. Truth: We will hold these liars responsible.

Is any of this true? If not, can you point me to a de-bunking site or twelve? Thanks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021013202

Yes, most of it is true.  However the DUmmies will try and spin some lies to prove it isn't true.

Scootaloo (1,917 posts)
1. Simply swap out the "lie" and "truth" and there you are.

ooooh, clever. Not!

bowens43 (13,417 posts)
2. Don't bother.

anyone who believes this nonsense won't be convinced by the truth.

CBHagman (13,125 posts)
3. I'm not able to do the research now, but good places to start are...

Snopes, FactChecker, and Politifact. Look for Snopes and the Annenberg Center sites.

Oh, and doctors already refused patients, years ago, and rationing of care occurred under corporations. The same company to which I paid thousands of dollars for coverage limited the care I received after a heart attack.

Why Annenburg sites? Oh that's right, they are lefty propaganda sites.

mike_c (30,440 posts)
6. about one in ten American employers have already said that they intend to discontinue...

...their employee health insurance plans once the ACA begins requiring employees to buy their own plans if employers don't provide them-- read that on DU this morning, as a matter of fact-- so I think that fear is well founded.

Single payer, universal health care for all is the answer, not the ACA.

That is not what the OP or other DUmmies want to hear.

avebury (843 posts)
8. I am not sure if this is correct but it might be possible

for people to lose their company provided health insurance. If a company figures out that it costs them less money to pay the "fine/tax" is is possible that some companies might opt to pay the fine/tax then pay for health insurance for their employees.

If I am wrong about that, which I hope I am, then I would appreciate any information to correct that hunch.

JohnnyRingo (7,867 posts)
11. How can anyone lose their employer supplied health care?

The ACA requires that employers with more than (I think) 50 workers supply their employees with health care. Those that fail to comply will be fined an amount that pays the government cost in insuring the workers.

That one lie makes the whole post suspect. Ask your aunt why she's shilling for WalMart. Ask her quite innocently if she gets a monthly check for her fine work on FaceBook.

Wrong, the employer will pay a fine, but it will not cover the cost of insurance.  It will be cheaper to pay the fine than to pay premiums.

Bertha Venation (18,856 posts)
12. THANKS, EVERYONE!

I have what I need. 

You don't have squat for a rebuttal.  Are you a troll checking out the information the opposition has?


Just remember, DUmmies. SanFranNan said that they had to pass the bill to know what was in it.

[USA4ME]

Look, liberals will never admit Obamacare is worthless.  They could get 3rd degree burns over 90% of their body, Obamacare would provide for them a bandaid and an aspirin, and they'll claim it was the best care the USA has ever given for that type of injury.

Otherwise, Bertha Venation is as stupid as she is ugly, and her stupid goes right to the bone.

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[Ballygrl]

I've seen pics of Bertha, she's not old but she's a little up there in years, so I assume her Aunt is older, now why the heck would anyone want to argue with an elderly person? especially a relative? so disrespectful.

[jukin]

All that 0bama TaxCare is is a tax hike. And of course a lot of government growth and control. Not a SINGLE thing makes care more affordable. It slides costs around but not one thing to make it more affordable.

[thundley4]

All that 0bama TaxCare is is a tax hike. And of course a lot of government growth and control. Not a SINGLE thing makes care more affordable. It slides costs around but not one thing to make it more affordable.

In fact, I heard that before long medicaid will pay doctors more for reimbursements than medicare will.  That is where taking that $500 billion dollars from medicare comes in.

[longview]

Oh, and doctors already refused patients, years ago, and rationing of care occurred under corporations. The same company to which I paid thousands of dollars for coverage limited the care I received after a heart attack.

Medicare and Medicaid routinely deny claims and refuse to preauthorize procedures.  Indian Health Services is worse for a variety of reasons.  IHS is basically what I see ACA as.

It's had to happen and dollars for healthcare paid for by a third party will only get tighter.

[Jasonw560]

It'll be worse with the death panelsIndependant Payment Advisory Board

[thundley4]

It'll be worse with the death panelsIndependant Payment Advisory Board

The DUmmies can not add two and two to get four, they come up with blue.  They also fail to see how the PAB will be like death panels.

Since ObamaCare was passed, we've seen new recommendations come out for mammograms and just recently new ones for prostate exams and treatment.  All part of the healthcare plan to kill people off.

[jukin]

Translation;

My aunt says that 1+1=2. I need help in proving that 1+1=POTATO.


PLEASE HELP!!

[Jasonw560]

Hey, Bertha, did you know if ou say "gullible" slow enough, it sounds like "oranges"?

Go ahead, try it...

[Lacarnut]

In fact, I heard that before long medicaid will pay doctors more for reimbursements than medicare will.  That is where taking that $500 billion dollars from medicare comes in.

True and then that liar-in-chief stated that was a spending reduction. Gotta give the moochers and illegals more and the folks that paid into the system less.

[Karin]

Scootaloo (1,917 posts)
1. Simply swap out the "lie" and "truth" and there you are.

Look how lazy that is.  These people are the most slothful creatures I've ever seen.  Disagree with liberal policies?  Racists!!  There, my work is done.  Time to 

[DumbAss Tanker]

It will be cheaper to pay the fine than to pay premiums.

And not just a little cheaper, but by approximately an order of magnitude, from what I gather.

[ChuckJ]

HELP ME! HELP ME! I'm a DUer. I'm one of the self-proclaimed most smartest people in the universe. I need help defending my brilliant leftist talking points in a debate with a stupid rethug.

[JohnnyReb]

HELP ME! HELP ME! I'm a DUer. I'm one of the self-proclaimed most smartest people in the universe. I need help defending my brilliant leftist talking points in a debate with a stupid rethug.

"Here he comes to save the dayyyyyyyyy....Mighty Mouse is on the way....."