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Offline Jasonw560

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Combatting voter fraud
« on: July 18, 2012, 11:59:18 PM »
Although this was already brought up, but how are you going to help minimize voter fraud?

I am going to talk to my county chairman and the TEA Party leaders, and see if anyone is open to double checking the county Democrat rolls. And agreeing to opening up our rolls for them. Just to check for accuracy, nothing else.

Until we have enough evidence of fraud....

I doubt they'll agree to it on the other side.

And I may volunteer my time on a voter drive or two.

I work on Tuesdays, so I can't help at the polls on election day.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2012, 12:36:49 AM »
We've been pushing for over 10 yrs to get voter ID in TX.  Hopefully the court case will go our way this time.  I've been working with the republicans with registration booths anywhere we can set them up.  We are doing outreach to the largest Hispanic group in our area (GI Forum).  Being retired, I am able to volunteer as an election clerk.  As I said on an earlier post, we have moved our county/city to currently 100% R office holders (big change over 20 yrs ago). Dems are only fielding 1 candidate this year (sheriff) & he has no chance.  I would love to see the "old" Democratic Party come back as I don't think the single party dominance we (and Obama) have achieved is necessarily healthy.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2012, 08:49:22 AM »
It'll never happen in Illinois.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2012, 09:50:26 AM »
Quote from: CG6468 on July 19, 2012, 08:49:22 AM
It'll never happen in Illinois.

Are they public records in Ill? If so, try and get a FOIA request, and  get volunteers (politically active retirees) to go over the records.

Get some conservatives to go on "voter drives" and make sure everything's on the up and up.

Be an election clerk.

These things can't stop it, but it can show the Dark Side we're serious about combatting it.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 09:56:41 AM »
It's not that much of a problem HERE, but in other locations it's rampant.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 10:40:46 AM »
NH House and Senate overrode Governor Do-Nothing's veto of Voter ID.  Takes effect just before the primary.

No more Massholes voting in NH--yay!
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2012, 10:59:01 AM »
I sat on my ass for 40 years.  I wasn't "political".  Well I and a surprising number of others are damn sure political now. In 2010 I was making calls for a Congressional candidate in the district next to us because Ron Paul didn't need any help.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2012, 11:40:25 AM »
I attended a "get to know the candidates" meeting and then attended an invitation-only gathering in a private home for senatorial candidate John Brunner here in MO.

While my time is limited - VERY limited - for political activity, there is another gathering scheduled that I'm going to crash (for $25).

The MO state primaries are coming up on Aug. 7 and I hope to be able to man some phones or something.

I ain't pounding on doors, though. Too damned hot for that.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2012, 03:07:43 PM »
Didn't SCOTUS find that Indiana's voter ID law passed Constitutional muster? If so, every state with a R Governor and R legislature needs to copy it, verbatim, making substitutions for place names as needed, and pass it ASAP. When the howls start, just reply that this language has already been found to be constitutional and will be utilized.

Then states like TX who have to have DOiJ approval for voting changes due to the Voting Rights Act need to sue the gov't under equal protection grounds, or 10th amendment grounds, or whatever, stating they are being treated as not as sovereign as other states (i.e. Illinois) because they can't control voting procedures in their territory without fed approval.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2012, 03:26:29 PM »
Quote from: docstew on July 20, 2012, 03:07:43 PM
Didn't SCOTUS find that Indiana's voter ID law passed Constitutional muster? If so, every state with a R Governor and R legislature needs to copy it, verbatim, making substitutions for place names as needed, and pass it ASAP. When the howls start, just reply that this language has already been found to be constitutional and will be utilized.

Then states like TX who have to have DOiJ approval for voting changes due to the Voting Rights Act need to sue the gov't under equal protection grounds, or 10th amendment grounds, or whatever, stating they are being treated as not as sovereign as other states (i.e. Illinois) because they can't control voting procedures in their territory without fed approval.

The case for TX is awaiting judgement in DC District court as we speak.  We are not suing the govt. they are suing us to stop the law we already passed. Strange you haven't heard about it from the MSM, isn't it?
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2012, 09:43:52 AM »
What I meant was that TX needs to sue to get those provisions of the VRA that require  DOiJ approval struck down as unconstitutional.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2012, 10:24:55 AM »
Quote from: docstew on July 21, 2012, 09:43:52 AM
What I meant was that TX needs to sue to get those provisions of the VRA that require  DOiJ approval struck down as unconstitutional.

The current case will, hopefully,  take care of part of that but, it really needs to be done by Congress.  It wasn't a big problem untill Holder started using it to punish states that don't bend to ABM's demands.  We are having a primary runoff vote in TX on Jul 31, each district had to go directly to the DOJ for permission to consolidate voting precints. DOJ told us they might get back to us sometime in Aug!
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2012, 12:30:08 PM »
Quote from: docstew on July 21, 2012, 09:43:52 AM
What I meant was that TX needs to sue to get those provisions of the VRA that require  DOiJ approval struck down as unconstitutional.

How did those voting restrictions on southern states ever pass constitutional muster anyway?  It seems that laws applying to certain states would violate the equal protection clause.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2012, 12:45:20 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on July 21, 2012, 12:30:08 PM
How did those voting restrictions on southern states ever pass constitutional muster anyway?  It seems that laws applying to certain states would violate the equal protection clause.

Because the law only requires the selected states to coordinate w/DOJ for changes to procedures, redistricting & such.  Up until Holder the DOJ was reasonable & willing to work with states.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2012, 01:16:00 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on July 21, 2012, 12:45:20 PM
Because the law only requires the selected states to coordinate w/DOJ for changes to procedures, redistricting & such.  Up until Holder the DOJ was reasonable & willing to work with states.

But shouldn't the fact that only certain states are covered by the law, shouldn't the law be unconstitutional?   Several states have passed immigration laws and Holder hasn't went after all of them only certain ones.
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Re: Combatting voter fraud
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2012, 01:27:06 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on July 21, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
But shouldn't the fact that only certain states are covered by the law, shouldn't the law be unconstitutional?   Several states have passed immigration laws and Holder hasn't went after all of them only certain ones.

Good question, hopefully the SC will address that when the TX voter ID law reaches them.
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