Anyone else switiching parties this election?

[Penrod]

There is profit in drugs including alcohol because drugs are a product people want.

Making them illegal vastly increases the profit. The more successful they are in cracking down on it the more profit there is in it. There are far more pot dealers than people selling cigarettes with no stamp to avoid the taxes.

[obumazombie]

Legalizing drugs as a solution to drug problems is a pipe dream. Legalizing will only increase societal drug problems.

[Penrod]

Legalizing drugs as a solution to drug problems is a pipe dream. Legalizing will only increase societal drug problems.

Im sure you can back that up. Tell me as a juvenile is it easier to get a cigarette or a joint these days? It was the law that caused the problem. The government is great at doing just that over and over. Hardly anyone smoked pot until it was made illegal  . I never even heard of a joint in school. It took the marines to introduce me to pot

But even if you were correct there is no constitutional basis for such a law. Your body is your own. If you dont own that what do you own? Besides pot wasnt what was meant to be made illegal hemp was and pot was the excuse. It would have hurt Duponts better living through chemistry. Most things can be made of hemp. And it makes great food products.

[obumazombie]

Im sure you can back that up. Tell me as a juvenile is it easier to get a cigarette or a joint these days? It was the law that caused the problem. The government is great at doing just that over and over. Hardly anyone smoked pot until it was made illegal  . I never even heard of a joint in school. It took the marines to introduce me to pot

But even if you were correct there is no constitutional basis for such a law. Your body is your own. If you dont own that what do you own? Besides pot wasnt what was meant to be made illegal hemp was and pot was the excuse. It would have hurt Duponts better living through chemistry. Most things can be made of hemp. And it makes great food products.

You know it's legal to grow tobacco ? Many teens in the mid atlantic and mid america could easily roll their own tobacco cigarette no problem. One test of constitutionality is case law. There is plenty of case law to support the criminalization of drugs.

[Penrod]

You know it's legal to grow tobacco ? Many teens in the mid atlantic and mid america could easily roll their own tobacco cigarette no problem. One test of constitutionality is case law. There is plenty of case law to support the criminalization of drugs.

Your showing why it should be legal. You know you used to be able to grow pot and many teens used to roll their own joints no problem?  And the age requirement laws are state laws. I have no problem with states banning just about anything. They have more power than the feds. At least if were going by the constitution.

[Eupher]

Its cute that you think having the constitution party instead of the republican party would make a difference. It is easy to be an idealist when you will never have to follow through on those ideals. How many of those promises in their platform do you think they could pass without a 60 vote majority senate? almost none. They would get nothing done and then you would be whining and calling them liars just like you are about Romney and the GOP.

Who said anything about "making a difference?" You've got your panties in a wad again, sport. Let's try this by the numbers again, just so there's no mistaking what I said:

1.  Constitution party speaks to me. The Republican party? Not so much.
2.  Romney is a liar. That isn't news. Anybody around him in Utah back in 2002 knows that. Were you there at that time?

[BigTex]

Who said anything about "making a difference?" You've got your panties in a wad again, sport. Let's try this by the numbers again, just so there's no mistaking what I said:

1.  Constitution party speaks to me. The Republican party? Not so much.
2.  Romney is a liar. That isn't news. Anybody around him in Utah back in 2002 knows that. Were you there at that time?

Sorry that Im too plugged into the real world for a party that has unrealistic and unattainable political positions to "speak" to me. I also like a lot of what the "constitution" party says but they just arent living in the real world with things like calling the 16th amendment illegal right in their party platform. You and the Paulbots can have the tinfoil hat party where you can consolidate your non-power into even less power.

All big time politicians are liars thats usually how they get there and the republican party isnt perfect. But there are 2 options you can work within a party to make changes and eventually make things better or you can stick your head in the sand and nothing will ever change.

[Eupher]

Sorry that Im too plugged into the real world for a party that has unrealistic and unattainable political positions to "speak" to me. I also like a lot of what the "constitution" party says but they just arent living in the real world with things like calling the 16th amendment illegal right in their party platform. You and the Paulbots can have the tinfoil hat party where you can consolidate your non-power into even less power.

I guess you missed the part early on in the thread that said I'm stuck with the Repubs. Ain't happy about it, but there it is. I'd call that being real enough, but I guess you're so stuck on trying to make yourself look worldly that you missed that. It's okay -- you're young yet.

All big time politicians are liars thats usually how they get there and the republican party isnt perfect. But there are 2 options you can work within a party to make changes and eventually make things better or you can stick your head in the sand and nothing will ever change.

Did it take this long for you to figure that out? Wow.....

[BigTex]

I guess you missed the part early on in the thread that said I'm stuck with the Repubs. Ain't happy about it, but there it is. I'd call that being real enough, but I guess you're so stuck on trying to make yourself look worldly that you missed that. It's okay -- you're young yet.

You call wanting an extremist party to reign supreme "real enough". I could careless about "worldly" I'm sick of all the fake GOP that talk a bunch of trash and then just sit back and whine about how thing could be so much better if some random extremist had control. Whether it be Paulbots, pure libertarians, or "constitutionalists" I'm just sick of the extreme all of nothing positions. And yes I am young but I hoping not to be as jaded and bitter as I see so many older conservatives.

[Eupher]

You call wanting an extremist party to reign supreme "real enough". I could careless about "worldly" I'm sick of all the fake GOP that talk a bunch of trash and then just sit back and whine about how thing could be so much better if some random extremist had control. Whether it be Paulbots, pure libertarians, or "constitutionalists" I'm just sick of the extreme all of nothing positions. And yes I am young but I hoping not to be as jaded and bitter as I see so many older conservatives.

 

Being jaded and bitter are two conditions that occur when the idealism runs out.

Just sayin'....

[wasp69]

a reason why we need a national vote and not an electoral college vote

Pardon my blunt honesty, but **** that.  Direct democracy was a recipe for disaster in prior governments and (thank the Almighty) our Founding Fathers understood it with diamond like clarity.

[obumazombie]

Pardon my blunt honesty, but **** that.  Direct democracy was a recipe for disaster in prior governments and (thank the Almighty) our Founding Fathers understood it with diamond like clarity.

Direct democracy is barely a step above mob rule. An angry rioting looting raping mob. Kinda like the occupoopers.

[BigTex]

Pardon my blunt honesty, but **** that.  Direct democracy was a recipe for disaster in prior governments and (thank the Almighty) our Founding Fathers understood it with diamond like clarity.

Direct democracy is a recipe for disaster for most things on a national scale but when the next leader of the US is more contingent upon the issues that 3 million people in Iowa care about than the 82 million people living in NY, CA and TX thats even more of a disaster for the country.

[wasp69]

Direct democracy is a recipe for disaster for most things on a national scale but when the next leader of the US is more contingent upon the issues that 3 million people in Iowa care about than the 82 million people living in NY, CA and TX thats even more of a disaster for the country.

Hardly.  However, letting major population center, blue shitholes dictate how life is lived elsewhere is a disaster.  It is tragedy writ large. 

[Mike220]

Being jaded and bitter are two conditions that occur when the idealism runs out.

Just sayin'....

And that ain't age related, I can tell you. 

[BigTex]

Hardly.  However, letting major population center, blue shitholes dictate how life is lived elsewhere is a disaster.  It is tragedy writ large. 

Considering 80% of the population lives in your "blue shitholes" you dont think they should have a say in how they live? You think the 20% should have control over the whole country? thats elitism, thats geographic warfare, thats straight out of the Obama playbook. You have millions of people in blue and red states alike that feel disenfranchised with their presidential vote, you dont think that is a problem? Theres only been 4 times where the popular vote and electoral vote didnt match up so its not really a big issue from a practical sense. But I think if more people thought that their vote counted for something then there would be more people engaged in the political process.

[NHSparky]

Considering 80% of the population lives in your "blue shitholes" you dont think they should have a say in how they live? You think the 20% should have control over the whole country? thats elitism, thats geographic warfare, thats straight out of the Obama playbook. You have millions of people in blue and red states alike that feel disenfranchised with their presidential vote, you dont think that is a problem? Theres only been 4 times where the popular vote and electoral vote didnt match up so its not really a big issue from a practical sense. But I think if more people thought that their vote counted for something then there would be more people engaged in the political process.

I think you're overstating it just a wee bit.  Take the total population of the 100 largest cities and you're barely cracking 50 million in a nation of 310 million.

For the record, you think Florida in 2000 was a goat****?  Multiply that by 50.  EVERY FOUR YEARS.

[BigTex]

I think you're overstating it just a wee bit.  Take the total population of the 100 largest cities and you're barely cracking 50 million in a nation of 310 million.

For the record, you think Florida in 2000 was a goat****?  Multiply that by 50.  EVERY FOUR YEARS.

80% of the population lives in urban areas with populations of 50k or more and just the metro areas of NY, Chicago, LA, DFW and Houston have 53 million people.

and how would every election be like Florida in 2000? Reagan won by 8 and 17 million, Bush 41 won by 7 million, Clinton won by 6 and 8 million, Bush 43 won by 3 million, Obama won by 10 million. None of those would be even close to controversial.

[NHSparky]

For starters, good luck getting the 38 states with the smallest EV counts to just bend over and allow themselves to be dictated by California, NY, and even Texas.

[Bad Dog]

For starters, good luck getting the 38 states with the smallest EV counts to just bend over and allow themselves to be dictated by California, NY, and even Texas.

Hey, us Texans would treat them right.

[BigTex]

For starters, good luck getting the 38 states with the smallest EV counts to just bend over and allow themselves to be dictated by California, NY, and even Texas.

How exactly are they getting dictated to in a popular vote? For instance Louisiana the 25th biggest state has 1.46% of the population and 1.48% of the EC vote.

[Zeus]

According to 2000 census figures slightly over 50% of the US population resides in the 9 most populated states. That's men women and children. Don't know what the population dispersal is for those of voting age but without the EC it isn't outside the realms of probability that 5 or 6 of the largest metropolitan centers to decide the election by popular vote.

[BigTex]

According to 2000 census figures slightly over 50% of the US population resides in the 9 most populated states. That's men women and children. Don't know what the population dispersal is for those of voting age but without the EC it isn't outside the realms of probability that 5 or 6 of the largest metropolitan centers to decide the election by popular vote.

It only takes 11 states to win the EC vote. Those same population centers could decide the election under the EC also.

[Zeus]

It only takes 11 states to win the EC vote. Those same population centers could decide the election under the EC also.

Are those 11 states winner take all in EC ?

[Penrod]

The whole purpose of the electoral college is to give the small states a say in things. This is not a democracy we are a Republic and for good reason. No conservative in their right mind would suggest we go by the popular vote. Its bad enough they screwed up the Senate by going to electing Senators by the popular vote. In reality giving us 2 houses representing the people and none the states.