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Andy's Importance
« on: July 07, 2012, 07:44:19 PM »
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Would DU veterans please tell the "newbies" of Andy Stephenson's importance here...

 I for one entered the scene too late for full knowledge-base, so I would be interested in some fill-in myself. Thanks in advance!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002914203

One wonders why the Intern wants to bring the whole thing up again. Hmmm...

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4. Seattle Weekly article from that time

SEATTLE WEEKLY
July 6 - 12, 2005

Two Cases of Bile

Voter activist Andy Stephenson's pancreatic cancer has generated both love and hate on the Internet.
 
by George Howland Jr.

The Internet saved Andy Stephenson's life. In May 2005, the voting-rights advocate's online community came together and raised $50,000 in 11 days to pay for surgery to treat Stephenson's pancreatic cancer. Now, the World Wide Web has spawned a bizarre campaign that accuses the nationally renowned activist of faking his illness.
 
Stephenson, 43, who could pass for talk-show host Conan O'Brien's brother, became active on voting-rights issues in 2004 when he learned about the security problems with electronic voting. A resident of North Seattle, Stephenson frequented the left-wing Web site Democratic Underground (www.democraticunderground.com). This virtual community led him to Bev Harris of Black Box Voting (www.blackboxvoting.org), a Renton-based, muckraking activist dedicated to exposing the flaws in our nation's voting infrastructure (see "Black Box Backlash," March 10, 2004).
 
Stephenson brought an in-your-face activism to what had been a sleepy topic—imagine a combination of ACT-UP and the League of Women Voters. He loved to go into elections officials' offices with his camcorder blazing, demanding information on obscure aspects of voting systems and software. In 2004, he ran for Washington Secretary of State as a Democrat against Republican incumbent Sam Reed, promising to clean up the election system, only to drop out before the filing deadline. That same year, he also began working with Harris on her national campaign to make voting more secure. In the process, he established his own national reputation as a voting-rights activist. Stephenson says eventually he and Harris had a falling out, and they are no longer on good terms.
 
None of these setbacks discouraged Stephenson from pursuing his goal of improving the nation's voting system. In January 2005, he went to Washington, D.C., as part of a grassroots lobbying effort on behalf of the Voting Integrity and Verification Act, sponsored by Republican Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. While in D.C., Stephenson became ill with what he assumed was food poisoning. He flew back to Seattle and noticed his skin had turned yellow. He went to the Country Doctor Community Health Clinic on Capitol Hill and received treatment from Karen Johnson, a nurse practitioner, who became his primary care provider.
 
Months of illness and diagnoses followed. In April, Johnson says the cause of his illness was determined. "He has pancreatic cancer," says Johnson. After researching the best options for his care, Stephenson chose to have his surgery performed at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore, Md. "It's the best of the best," says Johnson. "Andy does his research right."
 
There was one little problem: Stephenson didn't have health insurance or much money. He says the operation cost $50,000, and Hopkins demanded payment in full before the operation for an out-of-state, uninsured patient. (A Hopkins spokesperson would not elaborate on the bill, citing concern for patient confidentiality.)
 
Enter San Francisco's Elisabeth Ferrari. She has never met Stephenson in person, but had gotten to know him through postings on Democratic Underground. When she became aware of his need, she decided to raise as much money as she could through an Internet appeal. On Friday, April 28, she put out a fund-raising request on Democratic Underground. Other progressive outlets and activists including blogger/author William Rivers Pitt, Sirius Satellite radio's Thom Hartmann, Air America's Mike Malloy, and numerous Web sites picked up the fund-raising message. By Monday, May 9, she had raised all $50,000—most in small donations of $25 or less. "Democratic Underground has 60,000 subscribers," says Ferrari. "Andy has many, many friends there. He is a people magnet."
 
It was a remarkable achievement and a real testament to the power of Stephenson's activism. Country Doctor's Johnson confirms that Stephenson had a Whipple procedure—sometimes called the "Olympics" of surgery because of its duration and difficulty—at Johns Hopkins Hospital at the end of May. The surgeon removed a "golf-ball-sized tumor" from his pancreas, according to Johnson. Stephenson came back to Seattle to recover and prepare for his oncology treatment. Says Johnson, "He needs chemo and radiation probably."
 
Then came the backlash. The origins of the rumors are murky, but the basic theme was Stephenson was a scam artist who didn't have cancer. The rumor spread like a computer virus across the Internet and soon vitriolic postings were popping up all over the place.
 
The backlash falls into a couple of general categories. One group appears ideological in nature: Conservatives are attacking Stephenson because he's a progressive activist. "The right wing just went crazy," says Air America's Malloy. "This is one of the sickest things I've ever seen."
 
Another group appears to be people who are rightfully concerned about Internet scams.
 
Fred Grady, an accountant from Stanton, Neb., straddles both groups. He pays for a site called Scamdy.com that alleges Stephenson defrauded people. He learned of the controversy through a conservative Web site, Free Republic (www.freerepublic.com), that has an ongoing flame war with Democratic Underground. He is also very concerned that Stephenson's fund-raising was not done properly.
 
The fund-raising effort for Stephenson was the work of amateur activists, not professional charities. Spontaneous mutual aid has both good and bad characteristics. Stephenson's friends did not provide the kind of checks and balances that are associated with mainstream philanthropy. For instance, the money went directly to Stephenson—there was no board of trustees controlling a third-party account and carefully documenting expenditures and donations.
 
Meanwhile, Stephenson was readmitted to the hospital because of postsurgical complications on Wednesday, June 22, and remained there at press time on Thursday, June 30. Stephenson says Medicaid is now covering him, so his medical bills are not a cause of concern.
 
I visited Stephenson in his hospital room at Virginia Mason Medical Center and listened to surgeons, a resident, and nurses discuss his cancer with him.
 
His spirits rise and fall on an hourly basis with the news of his condition. Through it all, he pushes his political issues, railing to me about decisions at the King County Elections Division.
 
His current diagnosis and treatment are unclear as the doctors struggle to figure out how best to help him. It is very clearly, however, a matter of life and death. "I am prepared for whatever the outcome is," Stephenson says. "I want to live—I don't want to die—but if not I've left a legacy."
 
ghowland@seattleweekly.com

Holy shit. I didn't know crazy ass Malloy was part of the whole thing. It was more nutso-wutso than I ever knew then.

And it's funny this author would mention Stupid Beth. I wonder if he knows what she did?

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7. keep in mind...

...that the news article doesn't reveal the ugly, despicable aspect of the wingnuts who attacked Andy and DU, and who continue to attack even today. Bitter, ugly hearts who hated Andy for what? Because he was gay? Because he was a voting rights activist? Because he was deeply admired and loved by many? Because he was sick without insurance and some people cared enough to help him?
 
These people still hate, and they still harass, and they still are ugly-hearted. They hang out at a site called www.conservativecave.com and they obsessively read DU and comment to each other about us.
 
And they have hurt other DU-ers. None to the degree they did Andy, though.

I KNEW it! That's what I thought when I was looking at his pic. "I'm looking at a fat, gay Conan O'Brien!"

Sorry. Where are my manners, a late fat, gay Conan O'Brien.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2012, 07:56:42 PM »
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Because he was sick without insurance. . . .

If Andy did not have insurance, Obama would have sicced the IRS on him and taxed him to death.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 08:14:35 PM »
It's that time of year again, isn't it ? Time for DU to bring out the Waaaaaaaaaahhhndy threads... with a heaping dose of Blame Bush, and his acolytes, Teh R0v3 and franksolich. 
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2012, 08:17:07 PM »
Has anyone been to Andy's grave?  Is he really deceased?  Or did he play DU members like fools, take their money and then hang out with his nice "riches"??
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2012, 08:30:51 PM »
Quote from: miskie on July 07, 2012, 08:14:35 PM
It's that time of year again, isn't it ? Time for DU to bring out the Waaaaaaaaaahhhndy threads... with a heaping dose of Blame Bush, and his acolytes, Teh R0v3 and franksolich. 

Someone needs to write a movie script about the DUmmie version of frank. His character would be a combination of James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, and Ethan Hunt with a touch of Lex Luther and Doctor Doom.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 08:47:13 PM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on July 07, 2012, 08:30:51 PM
Someone needs to write a movie script about the DUmmie version of frank. His character would be a combination of James Bond, Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, and Ethan Hunt with a touch of Lex Luther and Doctor Doom.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 09:54:09 PM »
That there sure is some hardball, no-nonsense, just-the-facts old-school reportage, yessirree Bob.

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Stripped of all the accusations, gross exaggerations, lies of omission, and attempts to wave the bloody shirt to shame everyone who thought Andy was a useless blowhard, what Andy really stands for is that the blend of willfulness, stupidity, dependence, and bad judgment can easily prove lethal.

I notice the author of that BS omitted any mention of Pitt's balking in that fund-raising effort, btw, which stampeded a lot of the other DUmmies away from it (In those pre-Fitzmas days, when he was only a laughingstock on Conserviative sites rather than on the entire Web, Pitt's expression of doubt or reservations on an issue actually had the power to do that to the herd of ponderous grazing beasts that is DU...).
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 10:51:30 PM »
I'd forgotten that today is the anniversary of the day frank killed Andy.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 11:15:13 PM »
What is not mentioned in the article was that Andy lived in a state where his life saving operation was provided FREE OF CHARGE. Andy lived with socialized medicine. If that is good for us, why did Andy need to fund-raise to access healthcare in a non-socialized state?

In the end, Andy got his private heath care, and died anyways. Pancreatic cancer is a near 100% killer. Only a small percentage survives. The odds were never in Andy's favor.

As mentioned in posts above, many DUers were skeptical of this internet fund raising scheme. Why? Because details were sketchy at best, deliberately vague at worst. People there and here rightly wondered if this was a scam. Coming clean would have helped, but no one ever did, and so the term, "Andyscam" began to be tossed about. Andyscam became an internet joke.
**** To this day, there is no real accounting as to where the funds went, or even how much was raised.

and in a ghoulish twist DU now uses the death as a means to attack any and all enemies of the site. Andy is no martyr. He was a DUmmy through and through. A political activist, his wages were skimmed off the money he raised for various causes. Hence it was normal for Andy to not give a full accounting of what he did with his fundraising: its the cause/never question the cause. Andy lived the DU dream, never really working a day in his life.

So I sit back and enjoy the fantasy thats built up year by year that DU tosses out. Andyscam is living proof of Frank's statement of truth: "DUmmies lie. All the time, DUmmies lie."
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2012, 01:59:21 AM »
You know what, DUmbass lurkers? **** Andy. Idiots like him are why we have millions of people out of work right now not being able to provide for their families. Your, and his, Damn ideology is destroying our economy, you ****ing idiots. I'm supposed to care about some idiot who died because he was too Damn stupid to get the right care?

Again, **** ANDY.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2012, 04:48:01 AM »
For the lurkers...Andy the Scammer died of a post op infection...not because he was denied any kind of medical care at any time.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2012, 06:35:55 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on July 08, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
For the lurkers...Andy the Scammer died of a post op infection...not because he was denied any kind of medical care at any time.

From my understanding, he didn't even have pancreatic cancer.  Typical, lying DUmmie, and he used the minions at the DUmp as his personal pocketbook. 

FWIW, Pitt was the SMARTEST one of the bunch during Andyscam, and that's stretching it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2012, 09:25:47 AM »
Quote from: diesel driver on July 08, 2012, 06:35:55 AM
From my understanding, he didn't even have pancreatic cancer.  Typical, lying DUmmie, and he used the minions at the DUmp as his personal pocketbook. 

FWIW, Pitt was the SMARTEST one of the bunch during Andyscam, and that's stretching it.
I actually had a chance to debate that hack "writer" over here when that was going on.  I managed within a few posts to bring him to a stammering stuttering standstill.
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 01:23:01 PM »
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

The primitives as usual don't know shit about what happened during poor stupid Beth's stupid scam.

The primitives can suck franksolich's dick, but they'd have to pay for the privilege, and franksolich doesn't come cheap.


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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2012, 03:58:27 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on July 08, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

The primitives as usual don't know shit about what happened during poor stupid Beth's stupid scam.

The primitives can suck franksolich's dick, but they'd have to pay for the privilege, and franksolich doesn't come cheap.

Great to see coach posting after a two-week hiatus!

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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2012, 04:02:28 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on July 08, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

The primitives as usual don't know shit about what happened during poor stupid Beth's stupid scam.

The primitives can suck franksolich's dick, but they'd have to pay for the privilege, and franksolich doesn't come cheap.




Pardon me for saying so, but I wouldn't dream of treating such a valuble thing as my dick in such a manner. I like my dick.

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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2012, 04:13:36 PM »
Quote from: txradioguy on July 08, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
For the lurkers...Andy the Scammer died of a post op infection...not because he was denied any kind of medical care at any time.
Quote from: diesel driver on July 08, 2012, 06:35:55 AM
From my understanding, he didn't even have pancreatic cancer.  Typical, lying DUmmie, and he used the minions at the DUmp as his personal pocketbook. 

FWIW, Pitt was the SMARTEST one of the bunch during Andyscam, and that's stretching it.

I kinda wondered if he didn't die of aids.
Was there any definitive cause of death published? (by the state, not DU)
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2012, 04:17:16 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on July 08, 2012, 04:13:36 PM

I kinda wondered if he didn't die of aids.
Was there any definitive cause of death published? (by the state, not DU)

It seems to have been kept pretty hush-hush.  I heard they buried him at sea in the Arabian Gulf & the coordinates are locked in the vault at the DNC.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2012, 04:27:56 PM »
I am way beyond tired of hearing about Andy and his friends that were sucked in by him. Face it DUmmies you got scammed and he is probably sitting on the beach in South America someplace earning a nice keep on the interest from all the cash you gave him.
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2012, 05:09:49 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on July 08, 2012, 04:13:36 PM

I kinda wondered if he didn't die of aids.
Was there any definitive cause of death published? (by the state, not DU)

I just assumed he had gay cancer and that panceatic cancer was just a cover story. 
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2012, 05:09:56 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on July 08, 2012, 04:13:36 PM

I kinda wondered if he didn't die of aids.
Was there any definitive cause of death published? (by the state, not DU)

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2005-07-13/news/a-fight-to-the-end.php/

Hmmm, I guess there was. Although, the Seattle Times is a complete joke simply because they'd publish this:

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Reaction to Stephenson's death by his Internet friends was swift. Wrote Will Pitt, in a post on Democratic Underground directed at Stephenson's accusers: "I am going to make you famous in all the worst kinds of ways. I know your names, I know your addresses, I know your IP numbers, I have screen shots and copies of every vile statement and threat you ever made. I know everything I need to know. Get ready for the ram."

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I'd be willing to bet some of the writers, and editors, et al are DUmmies themselves. How can a paperrag such as this call itself actual news/journalism???
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Re: Andy's Importance
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2012, 05:14:37 PM »
Quote from: txradioguy on July 08, 2012, 04:48:01 AM
For the lurkers...Andy the Scammer died of a post op infection...not because he was denied any kind of medical care at any time.


AND the scam topic was put to the DUmp by none other than Will Pitt.
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2012, 05:17:56 PM »
Maybe off topic ...BUT...what ever happened with the ninja lawyers?
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2012, 05:20:16 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on July 08, 2012, 05:17:56 PM
Maybe off topic ...BUT...what ever happened with the ninja lawyers?
They were scared away by the threat of...discovery. The fear of actual evidence being entered into a trial has ended many a DUmmies dream.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2012, 05:21:49 PM »
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AND the scam topic was put to the DUmp by none other than Will Pitt.

Didn't Pittstain get slapped and put in the corner for calling out the lack of transparency in how much was being raised?

I seem to remember him get bitch-slapped, given his marching orders, and told too shut it by DU admins.

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