Is Mitt Romney's honeymoon with conservatives already over?

[formerlurker]

I already replied to that.

Without addressing the points made.  It appears you are incapable of doing that also unless it is a cut and paste from the Daily sainted Paul, or some other leftist website. 

[Benjamin Parish]

I let Jennifer, the RNC's legal counsel, do it:

• 1. Rule 38 was not intended "to prohibit the individual states from adopting rules that would bind or allocate delegates to specific candidates".
  
  What I need clarified is the following:
  
  1. Do the RNC Rules require a state's delegation to follow its state laws or state party rules in the matter of binding of their national delegates to vote for a particular candidate?(I believe the answer is no; the RNC Rules are silent on this issue. My understanding is that any “legal" or “moral” obligation of the delegates, under either state law or state party rules, is simply that -- a state party matter. The RNC will not get involved in any such issue unless it deems that there is a violation of Rule 38 - an attempt to invoke the "Unit Rule" - during the time of the national convention.)
  
  2. Do the RNC Rules prohibit a state party from changing its rules regarding the binding of their national delegates after the 2nd Tuesday in the September the year before the convention but before the national convention begins? (I believe the answer is no - the RNC Rules are again silent on this issue.)
  
  3. Do the RNC Rules allow a national delegate to cast their vote for anyone they choose at the national convention, regardless of any vote-binding rules in their state or regardless of whether or not that "candidate" has been officially nominated under the RNC "majority of delegates from five states" rule?(I believe the answer is yes. I cite the actual rolling roll call of the states vote in 2000 as an example. In several states, even though George W. Bush had for many months been the presumptive nominee, several states, including Arkansas (19 for Bush, 5 for Alan Keyes) in the 2nd session on Monday evening, Massachusetts (35 for Bush, 1 for McCain, and 1 abstention) in the 3rd session on Tuesday evening,
  
  4. Is the process of the "rolling roll call of the states" the process by which it is determined which candidates have met the RNC "majority of delegates from five states" rule in order to have their name officially placed in nomination? In other words, or as a corollary, do only those candidates who receive a "majority of delegates from five states" votes during the "rolling roll call of the states" become an official nominee, while any candidates receiving votes who did not receive the required majority of five states' votes simply fall to the floor, having not met the threshold?
  
  Is there any way that you can clarify the answers to these questions in writing before tomorrow morning?
  
  Nancy Lord
  Utah Republican Republican National Committeewoman
  
  From: Jennifer Sheehan - Legal
  To: Nancy Lord
  Cc: Sean Cairncross - Legal ; Blake G. Hall
  Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008
  Subject: RE: The Unit Rule
  
  
  Mrs. Lord:
  I am going to attempt to clearly answer your questions as listed below.
  
  1. You are correct - the answer is no.  The national convention allows delegates to vote for the individual of their choice, regardless of whether the person's name is officially placed into nomination or not.
  
  2. National Party Rule No. 15(e) does prohibit State Parties from changing their delegate selection and allocation process that the State Party had to submit to the RNC no later than Sept. 4, 2007.  However, the time frame for submitting a challenge to the national convention delegation based upon these Rules has expired, as any delegate contests had to be filed by August 2, 2008.
  
  3. Yes - see #1 above.
  
  4. Your question is mixing two separate issues.  The first issue involves the nominating process, which requires the majority of delegates from five states to put a candidate's name into the official nominating process.  The delegates from these five states must sign a nominating form that is then submitted to the Secretary of the Republican National Convention.  After the Secretary receives these forms, the candidates are announced who have been officially placed into the nominating process and are therefore eligible to accumulate votes from the national convention delegates.    
  
  The Rules require that a roll call be taken from each state who announces the number of votes that its delegates cast for any eligible candidates, as well as for any person someone would like to cast a vote for in the roll call.  You are correct that a person does not have to be officially nominated in order to receive votes, however, this vote is essentially pointless as it will not count towards the official tally.
  
  Therefore to clarify, a candidate must receive the support of the majority of five state delegations in order to be officially placed into the nomination.  Only candidates that have been officially nominated can accumulate votes that will count towards the majority of delegates necessary to officially nominate the Republican nominee for President.  The Republican nominee for President must receive at least 1191 votes from the national convention delegation in order to receive the official nomination.
  
  Please let me know if you have additional questions or need further clarifications related to this process.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  Jennifer Sheehan
  Associate Counsel
  Republican National Committee

[Benjamin Parish]

Albeit, sh!t's confusing.

[formerlurker]

Which was already negated with the excerpts from the rules I posted from the RNC and MA GOP.    What else can you cut and paste? 

[Bad Dog]

Which was already negated with the excerpts from the rules I posted from the RNC and MA GOP.    What else can you cut and paste? 

Oh crap!!! here we go again.  Never!.....Never!! ask him that question.

[Benjamin Parish]

Yea. I'm sure that you negated the RNC's own legal counsel on the RNC's rules.

Makes perfect sense.

[formerlurker]

Yea. I'm sure that you negated the RNC's own legal counsel on the RNC's rules.

Makes perfect sense.

I did because of the date of her letter vs. the date of the RNC rules.  We discussed that also. 

[Benjamin Parish]

We'll know at the end of August.

[formerlurker]

We'll know at the end of August.

RNC can change the rules again prior to voting.   

[formerlurker]

Just tell your boy to run as a Libertarian.   He couldn't stand the lack of attention, but it would be the honorable thing to do.   

[Zathras]

Just tell your boy to run as a Libertarian.   He couldn't stand the lack of attention, but it would be the honorable thing to do.   

Well, if Benny boy actually knew what honor was then he could.

[Zathras]

Albeit, sh!t's confusing.

And there you go again, spoofing the profanity filter like a 13 year old. You sure you're 23?

[Benjamin Parish]

Just tell your boy to run as a Libertarian.   He couldn't stand the lack of attention, but it would be the honorable thing to do.   

12 term Republican, who never never held elective office on the libertarian banner... but its the honorable thing?

Yes, makes perfect sense.

Anyway, no one really has that much of a chance at third party. I mean... how many 'independents' are elected representatives at the nation level? Less than 5?

[Benjamin Parish]

And there you go again, spoofing the profanity filter like a 13 year old. You sure you're 23?

Its to add emphasis.

[Zathras]

Its to add emphasis.

It's immature and idiotic. I guess that's why you do it.

[Benjamin Parish]

No. I do it to add emphasis.

Your temper tantrum over it is 'immature' and 'idiotic'.

[Zathras]

No. I do it to add emphasis.

Your temper tantrum over it is 'immature' and 'idiotic'.

There you go again....projection.

The only one throwing a temper tantrum here is you about your candidate not getting the votes he didn't earn in the primaries and how you want usurp the process through the courts.

[formerlurker]

12 term Republican, who never never held elective office on the libertarian banner... but its the honorable thing?

Yes, makes perfect sense.

Anyway, no one really has that much of a chance at third party. I mean... how many 'independents' are elected representatives at the nation level? Less than 5?

He ran and lost as a libertarian - saw the writing on the wall.    He is not a Republican.    It would be honorable for him to leave the party, but the man has no honor.

[Benjamin Parish]

If that aint some of the most elitist shit that I've ever heard.

[Zathras]

If that aint some of the most elitist shit that I've ever heard.

 

Yeah you're pretty elitist here aren't you with your "holier than thou" attitude.

[formerlurker]

If that aint some of the most elitist shit that I've ever heard.

By all means point out the isolationist, anti-Israel, truther portions of the Republican platform. 

[Lacarnut]

If that aint some of the most elitist shit that I've ever heard.

Speaking of shit...if you took a good dump, there would be nothing left.  

[txradioguy]

Those delegate numbers are way off.

Then provide a link to the correct numbers.

[Benjamin Parish]

There aren't real numbers. Every delegate count is speculative at this point.

This is about as close to the truth as there is, though.

[txradioguy]

There aren't real numbers. Every delegate count is speculative at this point.

So you saying the numbers are way off is jut you again talking out your ass.  Figures.

This is about as close to the truth as there is, though.

How is this any more valid than the other websites?  It looks and sounds from reading it...like a pro Ron Paul site.