Bit by bit the grapes of ObamaCoup are souring in their mouths.
It's a delight to behold, really. If they can't hold their own lines what can we achieve amongst the indies?
But while chronicling such threads plenty of other fissures reveal themselves.
Affirmative Action is one of those.
Skidmore (26,821 posts)
Robert's "long game" is to dismantle affirmative action
per George Will and the Rs on the roundtable on This Week.
I found that interesting. Whether it is a sop for disgruntled Teabaggers, I don't know. I did find it interesting that there was a little discussion of Robert's particular loathing of affirmative action.
I'm filing that discussion away for future reference.
marmar (55,895 posts)
8. Don't be fooled. Look at the overall track record......
....... A conservative who consistently places the rights of corporations above those of people.
dtom67 (52 posts)
32. Its a scam...
He's just trying to keep republican hot-button issues alive until after the election. The repubs cannot allow their base to " win " on issues like abortion, immigration , healthcare, anti-gay rights, (et al) before the election. They need these issues to be open so that they can exploit their bases' faith,fear and hatred. This is the only way they can get their high turnout numbers.
They can't win with just the 1% vote; they have to have their base terrified that the "Mexicans,Blacks,Jews, Gays,Socialist,Communists,Baby-killers and\or Kenyans are coming to get them.
If you look around, you can see this all over. Temporary victories for the Dems that are engineered to create ways for the GOP to motivate its base in the coming election. So while we are all high-five'ing like the cast of Heartbreak Ridge, they are scaring the crap outta their turnout machine to get it to produce the numbers. Its gonna be much closer than you think.
UGP was also allergic to the spacebar.
What's up with that?
patrice (38,366 posts)
2. I am reading how some Labor historians think AA split the economic working class that used to
share material economic problems, into identity politics, which was then further exploited by "family values", abortion, bussing, and a bunch of other fragmenting concerns that did not bear directly upon the class war that was being waged by economic measures that affected ALL of the different identity sub-sets. Cowie et al also pretty much say that White males were bribed into assisting this "divide and conquer" strategy, by becoming addicted to the perks of wages and benefits offered to them to do so, and then ultimately, like everyone else, became victims of it too.
Chapter 5 Section III here:
http://books.google.com/books/about/Stayin_Alive.html?id=h9acQrZmpmAC
So the liberal doctrine of AA is a RW divide and conquer strategy.
Damn, we're good.
EFerrari (163,936 posts)
13. People who resent AA really don't understand what it does --
which is usually to force administrators to look at people of color whose record is just as good as white applicants but who without AA would not be considered for college admission or for the job or for the loan.
There is no lowering of standards unless you consider looking at applications from minority applicants "lowering".
People don't really get how real that is. I do because my Latino background prevented anyone at my very white high school from even asking if I wanted to go to college and at the time, the family had no money. Two strikes. When I went back to school, AA helped me get into Cal because it induced someone to look at my application. That's all they had to do, look.
Elizabeth Warren swears by it.
ProgressiveProfessor (16,919 posts)
17. Pretty clear you don't know much about it either
In academia it was a lowering of standards and the results were predictable. Not in all cases, but it certainly set up some minorities to fail since they were admitted into environments they were not prepared to handle.
Derrick Bell swears by it.
EFerrari (163,936 posts)
18. i would like to meet some of these unqualified minority students who fail because of AA
because in my 10 years at Berkeley, I never met one.
Ward Churchill swears by it.
And how would you notice the sub-standard if you yourself are sub-standard?
ProgressiveProfessor (16,919 posts)
19. There were any number of them in most of the big name schools, including Cal
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Compare minority graduation rates vice admissions during that timeframe. Its a clear indicator
There is a vast disparity between high schools. A graduate from Punahou even with a lower GPA is going to be better prepared than one from some public high schools in CA, particularly back in AA's heyday in higher education. The latter graduate may do better at a CSU or CC environment to bring themselves up to the level of competition seen at UC or Ivy League schools. The key is the lack of adequate preparation.
Barack Obama swears by it.
ProgressiveProfessor (16,919 posts)
22. Please note that the Punahou graduate with less than stellar grades
went on to prestige schools and is now President of the United States
He ---> there
EFerrari (163,936 posts)
21. So you say.
And yet, I never met one, not in class with me at Cal nor in the classes I taught there.
I'm done here.
And then come a lot more posts about Roberts being a corporate snake.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002887296
