Nads knows Taverner's civil war

[formerlurker]

Taverner (49,294 posts)

 
We are at war. You can pretend we can be one country again, but we can't.

The battle lines have been drawn and the troops are amassing on the field.

I hear many on DU who want common ground between us and the GOP. They want common ground between intelligent professors and inbred rednecks. Sorry, it isn't going to happen.

There is no chance to heal these wounds. Since Reagan, they have declared war on US. Remember "Government isn't the solution, it's the problem"?

That was code, saying we, the liberals, the progressives, the intelligent ones, the reason based community, are the problem and Lee Greenwood is the solution.

It was a declaration of war, although we didn't see it as such.

Fast forward to today - it's clear there's a war going on, and the minute we fight back, we get accused of provocation.

Some here want us to make nice with them. They want us to make nice with people who want minorities dead, women kept and our children indoctrinated with their fairy tales. They want us to make nice with people who think they can change reality just by belieiving in a different one. They want us to make nice with people who won't be happy until the middle class is long gone, and we're back in a feudal system.

Well I am here to say **** NICE!

I don't want common ground with these people.

I want a HIGHER ground from them, so if they are in my metaphorical cross hairs I can take them out like the pests they are. I want them gone, and I want them to be tossed to the scrapheap of history.

Do you know what these people think of you? Do you know what they call you behind closed doors - well you can probably guess because Rush has been doing it out in the open. But you women, women who want to make your own decisions - they think you are sluts. They think you are whores. They think you are less human than they are. They think you are incapable of making an intelligent decision.

They are aghast you would question their Iron and Bronze age moral code, and not do what they say. They also train other women to hate you, to view you in contempt.

Do me a favor. Google "Quiverfull Movement" right now. Then after that, google "The Phoenix and the Olive Branch." The latter is a blog run by a survivor of the Quiverfull movement, and she spills the beans on the Patriarchal Slavery that is Quiverfull.

Minorities - they do not believe you are Americans. Here, let me show you a line from De Niro's excellent movie "The Good Shepherd." Edward Wilson, a CIA operative is talking to a Mafioso who asks him what WASPS have to go back to, since the Italians have their families, etc.



Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the n****, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?

Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.



This is what they, the Republicans, think of you. This is how they view you. As visitors. You are not American.

This is what they really mean when they say Obama isn't an American.

It has nothing to do with laws, and everything to do with his skin color and ethnicity.

So play nice with these people?

Sorry, I don't negotiate with terrorists.

nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
22. Some of these issues go back to 1776

But I am not looking forwards to it.

nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
30. Except that I am not basing this on your fantasies

but current conditions on the ground, like both sides creating the enemy of the other side and dehumanizing it.

Those are pre conditions, read a history book or two. I will not recommend you debrief refugees from actual well civil wars, because you would not get it.

nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
40. You really NEED to pick up a history book

civil wars are NOT STARTED by majorities, you silly. They are actually started by MINORITIES, who feel they have but one way open to achieve their goals... that be the ammo box.

Sectarian conflicts, and civil wars can and do become sectarian. do require something closer to a strong minority.

Oh I forgot, the US IS EXCEPTIONAL and none of these conditions we are starting to meet on the ground matter, well because we ARE exceptional and live well, outside of history.

My mistake. Sorry.

nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
57. It's not about fomenting change

or not.

What you are seeing is the classic denial I heard from many a refugee. Most people do not want to believe things can be that bad, until well, shit they are fully undeniable. It is human nature.

As one put it to me, paraphrase, as part of the ethnic cleansing, "who could believe they were actually killing people?"

This is a common patter in every country around the world. Some acts or events are so outside of the normal course of events that they become plain out impossible to believe. We know of this from Holocaust survivors and the Germans themselves, but it is hardly limited to the "good war."

The US, well read the years before the hot civil war. Even in the midst of the Kansas Little War, people were still in denial this could come to pass in the US.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002879486#post19

[BlueStateSaint]

Oh boy.

nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
57. It's not about fomenting change

or not.

What you are seeing is the classic denial I heard from many a refugee.

Bally, you need to add Refugee Social Work Expert . . .

[JohnnyReb]

What if the DUmmies started a civil war and no one came?

[Skul]

What if the DUmmies started a civil war and no one came?

They already tried that and it fizzled. Occupoop, anyone? 
I'm still laughing at their planned great occupoop that they're wanting in Philly this week.
Everyone at the DUmp will be there.......in spirit. 

[FlippyDoo]

They already tried that and it fizzled. Occupoop, anyone? 
I'm still laughing at their planned great occupoop that they're wanting in Philly this week.
Everyone at the DUmp will be there.......in spirit. 

Their spirits should tread carefully. Rove just started a brigade of cabbage spirit-guides and plans to send them to the event.

[Bad Dog]

I understand you're not supposed to take this shit seriously but:

Quote;
"nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
22. Some of these issues go back to 1776

But I am not looking forwards to it."

WTF?  she is looking forwards to 1776?

[JohnnyReb]

I understand you're not supposed to take this shit seriously but:

Quote;
"nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
22. Some of these issues go back to 1776

But I am not looking forwards to it."

WTF?  she is looking forwards to 1776?

We have to go back before we can go FORWARD.








Obami has done a good job of taking us back but I really don't think he knows where forward is on the shift pattern.

[Kyle Ricky]

nadinbrzezinski (105,582 posts)
40. You really NEED to pick up a history book

civil wars are NOT STARTED by majorities, you silly. They are actually started by MINORITIES, who feel they have but one way open to achieve their goals... that be the ammo box.

WHOA! She said something right for a change! Yes, this is true. The Democrats where the minority who started the Civil War, and they are the Minority who will start the next one!

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm not sure we have to worry a lot about a war against an army of 100,000 bickering 'Generals' and no foot soldiers.

[JohnnyReb]

I'm not sure we have to worry a lot about a war against an army of 100,000 bickering 'Generals' and no foot soldiers.

Perfect description of a liberal mob...and not a dam one of them knows what to do.

[Bad Dog]

Perfect description of a liberal mob...and not a dam one of them knows what to do.

I just wish they would have some more of those meetings with hand signals.  That was better than Roadrunner cartoons.  Good times...good times.

[Carl]

They have no clue about the reality they wish for.

[BlueStateSaint]

They have no clue about the reality they wish for.

 

They must have sat through Les Miserables too many times.