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DU realizes it's a tax
« on: June 29, 2012, 12:13:27 PM »
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 How Much Is the ACA ‘Tax’?
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Q: How much will the “tax” penalty be for going without health insurance?

A: The minimum assessment will be $695 per person (but no more than $2,085 per family) in 2016, when fully phased in. The amount can be higher depending on income. But there are exemptions for low-income persons and others.

But it will be less to start. The minimum penalty per person will start at $95 in 2014, the first year that the law will require individuals to obtain coverage. And it will rise to $325 the following year.

Starting in 2017, the minimum tax per person will rise each year with inflation. And for children 18 and under, the minimum per-person tax is half of that for adults.

http://factcheck.org/2012/06/how-much-is-the-obamacare-tax/
 

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1. So if you're making $28,000 a year you now lose an extra $695 a year on this in 2016. Minimum loss.

Nope, that won't hurt anyone's budget. Just get a second job to cover it, they're plentiful!

People in this tax bracket whose employers don't offer health insurance, or who have unemployed spouses, **** them, they gotta pay, dammit.  :sarcasm:

I see the soup lines getting longer...

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10. An EXTRA fifty bucks a month. And at $28,000 a year you likely cannot afford that extra expense.

Where I live, rent is likely to be more than HALF that per year. If your household is making $28,000 you are likely behind on something unless you ride a bike, are single AND are living in a roach trap. Of course it might go further in Le Traileur Parque, Alabammer.

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6. No... then you would be give subsidies to purchase insurance

OR you'd qualify for Medicare's extensions, depending upon the number of your dependents.

I have 41 million welfare dependents and 12 million illegal immigrant dependents.

What do I qualify for?

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7. $28,000 a year is too high for that. You MIGHT get a subsidy.

Those who do get a subsidy have to pay for the insurance FIRST and then get the subsidy. Kind of a case of too little, too late.

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11. There WILL be IRS enforcement

How do you think they're going to collect that tax? Via your federal income tax returns, that's how.

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9. It is 2.5% of your income or the flat rate of $695

Whichever is more.

The penalty for people who forego insurance is the greatest of two amounts: a specified percentage of income or a specified dollar amount. The percentages of income are phased in over time at 1% in 2014, 2% in 2015, and 2.5% starting in 2016. The dollar amounts are also phased in at $95 in 2014, $325 in 2015, and $695 beginning in 2016 (with annual increases after that). The Congressional Budget Office projects that 3.9 million people will pay the penalty in 2016. The total penalty for the taxable year will not exceed the national average of the annual premiums of a bronze level health insurance plan offered through the health insurance Exchanges.

http://healthreform.kff.org/faq/will-everyone-have-to-buy-health-insurance.aspx

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002878048
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 12:16:00 PM »
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 12:19:38 PM »
Household income too dummies..don't forget it's household and not just your income only or your closest family members. Yeah, I heard that too--you are penalized for EVERY person dumbasses.  :hammer: :hammer: :censored: :banghead:
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 12:25:04 PM »
If this law survives to the point that those penalties kick in, the DUmmies will be spitting mad and trying desperately to find some way to blame it on Bush.  Sometimes the worst punishment for wanting something stupid is to actually get it.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 12:31:53 PM »
There are a few folkes over on the island that get it.

Some others are starting to do the math, so they to will get it.

I think that this conversation that they are having will continue to devolve or evolve...whatever.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 12:46:03 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on June 29, 2012, 12:25:04 PM
If this law survives to the point that those penalties kick in, the DUmmies will be spitting mad and trying desperately to find some way to blame it on Bush.  Sometimes the worst punishment for wanting something stupid is to actually get it.

This tells you that it was NEVER about everyone having access; it was about them wanting someone ELSE to pay for THEIR healthcare.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 01:16:12 PM »
Quote from: EagleKeeper on June 29, 2012, 12:31:53 PM
There are a few folkes over on the island that get it.

Some others are starting to do the math, so they to will get it.

I think that this conversation that they are having will continue to devolve or evolve...whatever.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid they are going to catch on that it was designed to collapse the healthcare industry & force govt. health neglect.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 01:19:35 PM »
This really is pretty simple.  Just look who is in charge of enforcing the tax/penalty.  It's the I.R.S.  Therefore I would call it a TAX.   :hammer:
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2012, 01:22:16 PM »
Quote from: hillneck on June 29, 2012, 01:19:35 PM
This really is pretty simple.  Just look who is in charge of enforcing the tax/penalty.  It's the I.R.S.  Therefore I would call it a TAX.   :hammer:

RINO Roberts agrees with you.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2012, 01:27:18 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on June 29, 2012, 01:16:12 PM
Unfortunately, I'm afraid they are going to catch on that it was designed to collapse the healthcare industry & force govt. health neglect.

Oh, don't get me wrong, some few of them can see the writing on the wall but for all the wrong reasons (single payer).

My interest on the island is division and division only. I like watching the slap fights and the more that happens the better.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2012, 01:27:50 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on June 29, 2012, 01:16:12 PM
Unfortunately, I'm afraid they are going to catch on that it was designed to collapse the healthcare industry & force govt. health neglect.

Most of them already know that. You'll see the phrase "stepping stone" or something synonomous to it.

But, assuming nothing changes, when that collapse comes ~2020 the Dems ahve to go hat in hand to a miserable and angry populace and demand the consensus to change to single-payer to fix the problem they said would fix the problem the first time.

Things to be filed under: Yeah, right!
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2012, 01:32:35 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 29, 2012, 01:27:50 PM
Most of them already know that. You'll see the phrase "stepping stone" or something synonomous to it.

But, assuming nothing changes, when that collapse comes ~2020 the Dems ahve to go hat in hand to a miserable and angry populace and demand the consensus to change to single-payer to fix the problem they said would fix the problem the first time.

Things to be filed under: Yeah, right!

Hope it dosn't come to that. Note to self: must find some more Ted Cruz votes.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 01:34:32 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 29, 2012, 01:27:50 PM
Most of them already know that. You'll see the phrase "stepping stone" or something synonomous to it.

But, assuming nothing changes, when that collapse comes ~2020 the Dems ahve to go hat in hand to a miserable and angry populace and demand the consensus to change to single-payer to fix the problem they said would fix the problem the first time.

Things to be filed under: Yeah, right!


This dumb bitch at 1:15 needs to be slapped upside her f'n head:


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ-6ebku3_E[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOyNCnN3NRg[/youtube]

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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 01:35:57 PM »
Wow, the "free" healthcare for all, is not so free.  



Wake up and smell the dog shit, DUmmies.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 01:38:21 PM »
Quote from: Bad Dog on June 29, 2012, 01:32:35 PM
Hope it dosn't come to that. Note to self: must find some more Ted Cruz votes.

I have one!
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2012, 01:41:05 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on June 29, 2012, 12:13:27 PM
 

I have 41 million welfare dependents and 12 million illegal immigrant dependents.

What do I qualify for?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002878048

Getting screwed just like the rest of us that try to work for a living?
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2012, 01:43:36 PM »
Quote from: IassaFTots on June 29, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
I have one!

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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2012, 02:00:55 PM »
The only fair thing to do is to make doctors work without pay. Not nurses, not janitors, not technicians, they are unionized. Doctors need to be repaid for their stealing of the workers money.

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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2012, 02:04:01 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 29, 2012, 12:46:03 PM
This tells you that it was NEVER about everyone having access; it was about them wanting someone ELSE to pay for THEIR healthcare.

BINGO!!! (I lost five more liberal friends on facebook for making a similar statement.)
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 02:08:52 PM by Kyle Ricky »
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2012, 02:17:50 PM »
Hey DUmmies -

Isn't this an example of one of those 'regressive' flat-taxes you 'love' so much ?

-Just wondering.

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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2012, 02:24:19 PM »
My Stupidometer broke and I have to get a new one!  :doh: :banghead: They are expensive.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2012, 02:27:18 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on June 29, 2012, 02:24:19 PM
My Stupidometer broke and I have to get a new one!  :doh: :banghead: They are expensive.

Buy a Chinese one.  Not too accurate but, you can just toss it when it croaks.
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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2012, 02:36:15 PM »
I'm another Ted Cruz voter. 

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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2012, 02:38:00 PM »
Something else that's bugging me that they keep saying over and over again, is "millions and millions of people have been helped and are alive because of ACA!!!"   The so-called "benefits" do not even start until Jan 2014, DUmbasses.  We'll all have the shit taxed out of us, with nothing to show for it in the meantime.  I've been reading about this mess here and there, and websites advocating this POS say things like "A single parent with two children, making $20,000 per year will pay only ...  italics and bolding mine.  $20K is barely subsistence, I can't imagine that in a big city.  

Democrats tax people into starvation.  



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Re: DU realizes it's a tax
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2012, 02:38:22 PM »
Quote from: Traveshamockery on June 29, 2012, 02:36:15 PM
I'm another Ted Cruz voter. 

 :cheersmate:

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