What if the Govt. Told You You MUST Purchase a Gun?

[Revolution]

Zalatix (5,290 posts)

What if the Government told you that for safety's sake, you must purchase a gun?

Last edited Thu Jun 28, 2012, 02:06 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

 (I didn't post this in the Gungeon because it's about mandatory purchases, not merely guns.)
 
Let's say law enforcement became as broken as the health care system* and we came to a point the public agreed that it needed more "protection" than they already have.
 
What if the Government responded by saying you must purchase a handgun? If you're poor, of course, you can get one for free or at a discount. Failure to do so will cost you more than you already pay in taxes.
 
The Supreme Court just paved the way for this potential episode of madness.


* wait, it isn't already?

Edited to add: you might want to consider looking into past history before you respond. Gun ownership was actually mandatory by law back in the day and this fact has been used to defend this new mandatory purchase law. Oh and here's a thread where DUers actually CITED this mandatory gun ownership law to justify the mandatory health insurance purchase law.
 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101624252

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002870287

Thread's on fire. As expected.

frazzled (7,661 posts)

2. You know ...

I think the folks making these kinds of arguments need to go to a libertarian or Republican board to talk. I'm getting mighty tired of it of these "give me liberty" rants.

Can't stand the heat? Get out of the DUngeon.

Bake (19,623 posts)

50. Yeah, because "liberty" is so ... last year.

The mandate is seriously flawed. But DU doesn't get it--and you are a prime example of that.
 
Am I glad Obama got a big victory? Of course. But I was never a fan of the legislation without a public option.
 
Bake

frazzled (7,661 posts)

96. I'm afraid you don't get it

And the supreme court disagrees with you. The mandate is constitutional. If you don't want insurance, fine. Then pay the penalty. I don't care. That's what makes us "free."

So if I don't want a pet that has rabies, but the Obama administration says I HAVE to have it. To take it in because it's the humane thing tod do, and if I don't, I will have to "pay the penalty?" No thanks, frazzled. What you fair to realize, my stupid friend, is that it's very dangerous either way. The USSC has set a very dangerous precident here today.

Zalatix (5,290 posts)

75. The folks making these kinds of arguments need to go to a libertarian or Republican board?

Then you're going to have a heart attack when you find out that DUers used mandatory gun purchase laws of the past as a JUSTIFICATION for this law.
 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101624252

pinboy3niner (19,738 posts)

11. I'm afraid they'll make me buy 'Jersey Shore: The Best of Snooki'

Come out of the closet. You already own it, and you know it.

treestar (33,565 posts)

82. I hope it makes everyone buy my novel

Then I can retire and pay for everything else without government involvement!

Only has to be a penny per person!

No. You couldn't.

Chan790 (12,478 posts)

4. Moot?

I already own a gun. I already have health-insurance too.

Hey! You're not the 99%!

taught_me_patience (3,563 posts)

7. Not likely, but I'd probably opt to pay the tax

Never owned a gun and probably never will.

 

[jukin]

What if the government slapped a $5000 tax on abortions?

[Revolution]

What if the government slapped a $5000 tax on abortions?

I'd suspect DU would be in Defcon 5 lockdown.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie says:

taught_me_patience (3,563 posts)

7. Not likely, but I'd probably opt to pay the tax

Never owned a gun and probably never will.

How 'bout give us your address. Some of us are lazy and a little out of shape and want to start with the easy ones and work out way into the more...shall I say... difficult cases.

[Revolution]

I actually just thought of a better question: What if Govt told you you had to purchase a subscription to Rush 24/7?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I'd suspect DU would be in Defcon 5 lockdown.

Actually the number goes down as the threat increases.

Just some trivia.

[Ballygrl]

Oh my, are some on the left "getting it"?

[Revolution]

Actually the number goes down as the threat increases.

Just some trivia.

Ah, the reverse of what actually happens. Threat level goes up. Heat level goes up, etc. Such is the case with DU, I guess.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Why should you have to pay a tax  (at least we're calling it that now) when you don't want to participate in something?  Where the **** does the government get the right to tell you that you have to pay for something merely because you exist?

[Rebel]

Why should you have to pay a tax  (at least we're calling it that now) when you don't want to participate in something?  Where the **** does the government get the right to tell you that you have to pay for something merely because you exist?

This asshole:

[Ballygrl]

Just curious, can the Government impose a cigarette tax on everyone even if they don't smoke?

[Revolution]

Just curious, can the Government impose a cigarette tax on everyone even if they don't smoke?

According to today? Yes.

[Wineslob]

frazzled (7,661 posts)

96. I'm afraid you don't get it

And the supreme court disagrees with you. The mandate is constitutional. If you don't want insurance, fine. Then pay the penalty. I don't care. That's what makes us "free."

Ok, lets impose a $7000 a year tax, on YOU. Oh wait, even if you DON'T opt out, you are still paying that $7000.................how "free" is that dipshit?

DUmbest mother****ers on the planet.   

[AprilRazz]

What if the government put a $10,000 tax on every ounce of weed? Then would you DUmmies care?

[Bad Dog]

Ok, lets impose a $7000 a year tax, on YOU. Oh wait, even if you DON'T opt out, you are still paying that $7000.................how "free" is that dipshit?

DUmbest mother****ers on the planet.   

It has been long established tha the Congress has the power to do exactly as you propose.  We have the right to vote them out & put people in who will rescind said tax.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Ah, the reverse of what actually happens. Threat level goes up. Heat level goes up, etc. Such is the case with DU, I guess.

It's more on the 'Countdown to Doom' model than the Celsius one.

[txradioguy]

What if the government put a $10,000 tax on every ounce of weed? Then would you DUmmies care?

How about a $5,000 a year tax on gays since their lifestyle leads to AIDS?

[Lacarnut]

How about a $5,000 a year tax on gays since their lifestyle leads to AIDS?

Sounds good to me. Hospital costs of treating Aid patients is astronomical. Impose a tax on all fags to pay for their unsafe lifestyle. The gov. is getting involved in punishing smokers and obese with higher premiums. Why not these perverted queers.

[txradioguy]

Sounds good to me. Hospital costs of treating Aid patients is astronomical. Impose a tax on all fags to pay for their unsafe lifestyle. The gov. is getting involved in punishing smokers and obese with higher premiums. Why not these perverted queers.

QFT

I don't think the Libs fully understand what they've unleashed with this.

[Revolution]

DUmptruck loads of proverbial ammunition for for the proverbial chainguns us Conservatives now own. Ironically given to us by the Democrats.

Did Holder have anything to do with this one, I wonder? He'll blame the arms dealing on the Sons of Anrachy though.

[Lacarnut]

QFT

I don't think the Libs fully understand what they've unleashed with this.

The dipshits favoring this legislation are opening up a can of worms. The S.C. has allowed the gov. to mandate a tax on practically anything including health insurance and struck down personal choice. A sad for freedom lovers.

[RobJohnson]

Oh my, are some on the left "getting it"?

For a second....it won't last.

A small town in Utah requires gun ownership and so does a town in Georgia. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95092&page=1

[Airwolf]

QFT

I don't think the Libs fully understand what they've unleashed with this.

Of course they don't. They think all their ideas will lead them to sunshine and unicorns when in fact its going to lead all of us to an economic Hell.

[DumbAss Tanker]

For a second....it won't last.

A small town in Utah requires gun ownership and so does a town in Georgia. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95092&page=1

There's actually a conceptual difference, since mandating gun ownership really would be a means of 'Providing for the common defense,' which is exactly what it was supposed to do from Anglo-Saxon times through our colonial and frontier periods, and is still the basis of the militia statute.  Mandating gun ownership therefore has a more solid legal basis than the bullshit taxation power argument behind the Court's opinion in this case.

[JohnnyReb]

How about a $5,000 a year tax on gays since their lifestyle leads to AIDS?

What a great idea. I bet that would put them back in the closet.