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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2012, 10:23:09 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 28, 2012, 10:05:36 AM
You guys aren't looking at the BIG picture. For the first time in history a precedent has been set that mandates you to buy something JUST for Damn living. They can now force you to buy ANY ****ing thing. Romney getting elected is going to fix it? Roberts stupid ass was a Damn Bush appointee. R and D. All the ****ing same. Progressive pieces of fly-covered dog shit.

I'm not missing that part of it.  I just think that NOW the people are going to speak and speak LOUDLY!  We will get a conservative majority and vote this shit out and then thumb our noses at the USSC.  The USSC is not the last word on anything.  Ever.  Not in reality.  If the people don't take this opportunity then we are well and truly screwed.

We might even be able to get rid of this piece of garbage legislation earlier since the Dems saw how the nation reacted in 2010, saw how many of them fell on their swords to make the legislation pass.  If they want to keep their jobs come November they may have to split from O'bama and vote this crap out.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2012, 10:23:48 AM »
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2012, 10:28:23 AM »
They just showed on Fox News what the tax will be if you don't have the coverage. -> In 2014, if you don't have the coverage, you will be faces with a 1.5% tax on your income. It will grow each year after that till 2016 when a total of 2.5% of your income will be going towards the tax.

So what it looks like to me is that if you don't have the coverage they are going to tax you, but if you do have it, they won't tax you. Either way you look at it, depending on your income, it will be cheaper to pay the tax than it will be to get the coverage.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2012, 10:30:08 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 28, 2012, 09:19:17 AM
No link yet.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2012, 10:38:14 AM »
One of my Paulbot friends on facebook is saying that this should be a victory for Ron Paul as a write in. I swear the PaulBots are so stupid!
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2012, 10:39:34 AM »
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One of my Paulbot friends on facebook is saying that this should be a victory for Ron Paul as a write in. I swear the PaulBots are so stupid!
Everything is a victory for Ron Paul!

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2012, 10:39:45 AM »
It gets worse.  They're now saying it was a 5-4 decision.

**** you Roberts.  **** you all to hell.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2012, 10:48:45 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on June 28, 2012, 10:11:20 AM
Reb, No they can't. They can tax you. They always could. Roberts saved the Commerce Clause.

From RB Pundit:
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It only takes 51 votes to repeal a tax.

I don't see a damn bit of difference. With the precedent they just set, hell, they can tax people and extra tax for attending a private school instead of a public school. What's to stop them? Say you want to go to Vanderbilt instead of UT-Knox. On your bill, you see a 2% "privilege tax" for not attending a public university. Feel free to show me where they don't have that power now.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2012, 10:49:23 AM »
Romney is speaking now. He said that what the court did not do, he will on his first day in office. That is to repeal obamacare.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2012, 10:51:11 AM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on June 28, 2012, 10:28:23 AM

So what it looks like to me is that if you don't have the coverage they are going to tax you, but if you do have it, they won't tax you. Either way you look at it, depending on your income, it will be cheaper to pay the tax than it will be to get the coverage.

....and....what happens to the insurance companies when people start dropping coverage?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2012, 10:54:07 AM »
Quote from: Karin on June 28, 2012, 10:21:59 AM
Please re-read what Splashdown wrote.  It makes a lot of sense:

I'm having all kinds of knee-jerk reactions internally over this, but we really need to keep our heads and read up on some analysis. 

And NO, I'm not sticking a fork in her.  She's worth fighting for. 

After calming down, and calling Splashdown "f'n Mr. Merry Sunshine" in my head as I originally read his posts, I see where he is going here. 

And I am with you exactly, Karin.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2012, 10:54:26 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 28, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
....and....what happens to the insurance companies when people start dropping coverage?

Yep, the insurance companies will start to go under. But the question is what insurance companies? Is there going to be a select group of insurance companies still operating? Will the only choices be the insurance companies that agree with obama, or donate money to his campaign?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2012, 10:57:28 AM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on June 28, 2012, 10:49:23 AM
Romney is speaking now. He said that what the court did not do, he will on his first day in office. That is to repeal obamacare.

Problem is, HE can't do that.  Only Congress can, and that means GOP supermajorities in both the House and Senate.  Only when they pass a repeal of Obamacare can President Romney (oh please, oh please) can he do that.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2012, 10:57:29 AM »
Quote from: Kyle Ricky on June 28, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
Yep, the insurance companies will start to go under. But the question is, what insurance companies? Is there going to be a select group of insurance companies still operating? Will the only choices be the insurance companies that agree with obama, or donate money to his campaign?

Ah, so the remaining private companies will eventually be funded by the government to provide for the people when it gets to the point where everyone drops. What do we call that again? Here's a hint:






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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2012, 11:05:15 AM »
listening to Rush right now and he is smoothing it over for me........I love Rush.... :drool:
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2012, 11:07:54 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on June 28, 2012, 10:51:11 AM
....and....what happens to the insurance companies when people start dropping coverage?
That is precisely what this whole sordid mess was about, right from the get-go.

This was NEVER about "healthcare". It was about destroying capitalism and ushering in socialism.

I cannot ****ing believe those dirty rat bastard "conservative" traitorous justices just did this to us.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2012, 11:11:47 AM »
Well, it looks as though we will all be driving Chevy Volts if Obama gets a second term.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2012, 11:37:41 AM »
Quote from: FreeBorn on June 28, 2012, 11:07:54 AM
That is precisely what this whole sordid mess was about, right from the get-go.

This was NEVER about "healthcare". It was about destroying capitalism and ushering in socialism.

I cannot ****ing believe those dirty rat bastard "conservative" traitorous justices just did this to us.

Only one did. Roberts, the new Souter.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2012, 11:39:03 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 28, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
Problem is, HE can't do that.  Only Congress can, and that means GOP supermajorities in both the House and Senate.  Only when they pass a repeal of Obamacare can President Romney (oh please, oh please) can he do that.

Obama has set new precedents for what a president can do by Executive Order.  If Romney has any balls he will use that to undo whatever he can about ObamaCare.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2012, 11:39:14 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on June 28, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
Problem is, HE can't do that.  Only Congress can, and that means GOP supermajorities in both the House and Senate.  Only when they pass a repeal of Obamacare can President Romney (oh please, oh please) can he do that.

One word:

Reconciliation.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2012, 11:40:03 AM »
This is great news. I can barely afford to keep a roof over my head, food in the fridge and gas in the car and now I have to find some way to pay for health insurance.

I think I'll call it a tax on the un/underemployed.

Thank you John Roberts. What the **** were you thinking?
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #96 on: June 28, 2012, 11:40:47 AM »
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Theory: Roberts didn't want to let Kennedy be the fall guy AGAIN, so he voted yes, and in doing so he is more assured that we will vote Obama out and have the next SCOTUS appointments? The next ones are HUGE and if this got struck down could it have motivated more people to vote for Obama and/or caused more Indies and Cons to stay home from being pissed off? This *almost* assures us a win on Nov (voter fraud and October surprises notwithstanding)
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2012, 11:41:16 AM »
Quote from: 67 Rover on June 28, 2012, 11:11:47 AM
Well, it looks as though we will all be driving Chevy Volts if Obama gets a second term.

You should be so lucky.
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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2012, 11:44:40 AM »
look what CNN has about what the ruling means to me

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Because the requirement remains for people to have or buy insurance, the revenue stream designed to help pay for the law remains in place. So insured Americans may be avoiding a spike in premiums that could have resulted if the high court had tossed out the individual mandate but left other requirements on insurers in place.

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Re: Supreme Court upholds Obama health care law
« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2012, 11:57:41 AM »
Quote from: Gina on June 28, 2012, 11:44:40 AM
look what CNN has about what the ruling means to me

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They are nuts. Do you know how many people are saying even compared to their current rates it's cheaper for them to pay the few hundred dollars in mandate er um tax and just drop insurance and get on the gov. insurance and either eventually buy a supplemental or the excess money saved use it towards any healthcare gaps? So we will look like Canada. Unfortunately, we have no country to run to for operations if the wait is too long or it is denied.
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