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There are ways around this on the state side absolutely.   State laws can be enacted making it illegal to secure public services if you are not a legal citizen of the state (to include driver's licenses, etc.).    Hospitals could be fined for not reporting illegals -- you name it, a Republican controlled state house can start kicking out a ton of laws to make it very unattractive for illegals to want to squat in that state.   



Are you kidding me?  The damn DoJ sued the state of Florida for attempting to purge their voter registration roles of illegals.

Any state that attempts to do what you suggest would be immediately sued by the corrupt Obama DoJ.  They don't give a shit about State Sovereignty. 
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Are you kidding me?  The damn DoJ sued the state of Florida for attempting to purge their voter registration roles of illegals.

Any state that attempts to do what you suggest would be immediately sued by the corrupt Obama DoJ.  They don't give a shit about State Sovereignty.  


State governments may begin to ignore diktats from Washington, asserting that the diktats have no basis in law--ie, the Constitution--at all and that they don't even NEED to go to court, which would require Washington to actually send in federal agents (including FBI) to seize control of state buildings and the instrumentalities of state government, and perhaps even arrest governors. Wouldn't that make a pretty picture for the Obama admin.?

It could happen. We're rapidly reaching a boiling point in these wars on the states by the runaway Obama dictatorship.

At which point, we really do have civil war of a kind.

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There's no evidence that Roberts is a flip-flopper. He was appointed because of his even-handedness toward the law, and he was confirmed accordingly.

I'm more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yesterday's editorial in the WSJ gave the entire court a thumbs-up for the decisions they made, and while I absolutely do NOT agree with the WSJ vis a vis illegal immigration (those guys basically throw their hands in the air and say, "Screw it - they're here already, might as well give 'em amnesty"), they gave a compelling account of the legal basis by which they reached their decision:

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On a five to three vote, the Supreme Court knocked out much of Arizona's immigration law Monday—a modest policy victory for the Obama Administration. But on the more important matter of the Constitution, the decision was an 8-0 defeat for the Administration's effort to upset the balance of power between the federal government and the states.

In Arizona v. United States, the majority overturned three of the four contested planks of Arizona's controversial plan to have state and local police enforce federal immigration law. The Constitutional principles that Washington alone has the power to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization" and that federal laws pre-empt state laws are noncontroversial. Arizona had attempted to fashion state policies that ran parallel to the existing federal ones.

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The Arizona State Capitol grounds in Phoenix after the Supreme Court's decision on Monday.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and the Court's liberals, ruled that the state flew too close to the federal sun. On the overturned provisions—like making it a misdemeanor to apply for a job without citizenship or a visa—the majority held that Congress had deliberately "occupied the field" under pre-emption doctrine, and Arizona had thus intruded on federal prerogatives.

However, the Justices said that Arizona police will be allowed to verify the legal status of people who come in contact with law enforcement. That's because Congress has always envisioned joint federal-state immigration enforcement and explicitly encourages state officers to share information and cooperate with federal colleagues.

Two of the three dissenting Justices—Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas—agreed with this Constitutional logic but disagreed about which Arizona rules conflicted with the federal statute. The only major dissent came from Justice Antonin Scalia, who offered an even more robust if idiosyncratic defense of state prerogatives going back to the Alien and Sedition Acts. (Justice Elena Kagan recused herself.)

The 8-0 rebuke to President Obama turns on what Justice Samuel Alito describes in his dissent as "an astounding assertion of federal executive power." The White House argued that Arizona's laws conflicted with its enforcement priorities, even if state laws complied with federal statutes to the letter. In effect, the White House claimed that it can nullify any otherwise legitimate state law that it disagrees with.

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Editorial page editor Paul Gigot on the various ways the Supreme Court could rule on ObamaCare. Photo: Getty Images

Some powers do belong exclusively to the federal government, and control of citizenship and the borders is among them. But if Congress wanted to prevent states from using their own resources to check immigration status, it could. It never did so. The Administration was in essence asserting that because it didn't want to carry out Congress's immigration wishes, no state should be allowed to do so either. Every Justice rightly rejected this remarkable claim.

One lesson of this case is that the Roberts Court does not practice the radical activism of liberal myth. Its very careful jurisprudence is aimed at protecting the U.S. federalist system, in which states and the federal government share sovereignty and both possess rights that the other is bound to honor.

We happen to share the Obama Administration's desire for a welcoming, nonpunitive immigration policy, but it can't accomplish that by asserting power it doesn't have. Full marks to the Court for striking the proper Constitutional balance.

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9hrs 10 minutes.

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My apologies, I missed the actual announcement time.  So 10 am central?
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My apologies, I missed the actual announcement time.  So 10 am central?

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Yup.

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Thanks "old" friend. 8)

This working nights stuff is still killing me.  But I shall be awake to hear the results.

Yeah the ruling will come out about the time I'm driving home from work.  I'm 7 hours ahead of east coast time.

Either way it's a pain in the ass for us to try and hear the decisionas it happens.
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Yeah the ruling will come out about the time I'm driving home from work.  I'm 7 hours ahead of east coast time.

Either way it's a pain in the ass for us to try and hear the decisionas it happens.

I thought it's 10 AM Eastern.  It'll go on to about 10:15, and it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Chief Roberts doesn't actually announce it until that moment.
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I am confused...........

what is going on






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I am confused...........

what is going on

It's been upheld

From what I understand they slapped his hand for calling it a mandate..you can tax people an extra 1600 bucks though a year to pay for it :banghead: :banghead:


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This assures Romney a win.






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The Obama admin is celebrating...even though they swore UP and DOWN that this WAS NOT a TAX.... I guess it's gonna be a tax now. Yet another LIE from them.
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It's been upheld

From what I understand they slapped his hand for calling it a mandate..you can tax people an extra 1600 bucks though a year to pay for it :banghead: :banghead:



And now people can be "taxed" for not buying ANYTHING that Congress demands we buy--Broccoli included. It amounted to exactly the same thing, except the taxing power was just broadened. Roberts now is officially the new Souter.

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This assures Romney a win.

Not if you don't get out and make SURE that it happens.
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Not if you don't get out and make SURE that it happens.

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