Supreme Court strikes down most of Arizona immigration law, upholds key provisio

[txradioguy]

The Supreme Court has struck down most of the controversial Arizona immigration law, but upheld a key provision.

The provision that was upheld requires state and local police officers, during routine stops, to check the immigration status of anyone they suspect could be in the country illegally.

Other provisions, though, were struck down.

The federal government claimed the law encroached on its authority to enforce immigration law.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-arizona-immigration-law-upholds-key-provision/

[Danglars]

Since Alito, Thomas, and Scalia dissented, we can assume that the majority opinion was more about the striking down than about the stopping the injunction. Did Roberts go along with the overturning of provisions to get the one smack to the 9th Circuit, or did he really agree with the three libs? Of course you can't ever be sure about Kennedy. But if Scalia, Thomas, and Alito were on one side, you can be sure that, from our POV, that was the right side to be on.

But if it had been 4-4 (Kagan recused), would that have meant no possible return to the SCOTUS when a full Court could rule? Thus ruling now was the only way to lift the 9th's stay?  That's the only reason I can at least hope that Roberts went along with strking down three provisions--because if his judicial philosophy really did lead him to agree with striking down those three parts, then we're much more screwed than we ever knew. Could Roberts be the new Souter?

[thundley4]

Kind of off topic.  In that picture, it seems like Ginsberg is shrinking away from the rest of the justices. It looks odd.

[Chris_]

Her chair looks too big.

[NHSparky]

Kind of off topic.  In that picture, it seems like Ginsberg is shrinking away from the rest of the justices. It looks odd.

Or she's melting.  She just hasn't been the same since that house fell on her sister.

[Zeus]

Kind of off topic.  In that picture, it seems like Ginsberg is shrinking away from the rest of the justices. It looks odd.

She is just old and frail,also been in poor health. More than likely the next justice to be replaced.

[thundley4]

She is just old and frail,also been in poor health. More than likely the next justice to be replaced.

I've seen a couple of threads from the DUmmies that want her to retire now, so Obama can nominate her replacement.  I would hope that the GOP would hold that up until after the elections though.

[Bad Dog]

Or she's melting.  She just hasn't been the same since that house fell on her sister.

I'll get you my prettyyyy

[BigTex]

I've seen a couple of threads from the DUmmies that want her to retire now, so Obama can nominate her replacement.  I would hope that the GOP would hold that up until after the elections though.

because of the ages of the justices if Romney had 2 terms he could possibly nominate 4 justices

[Kyle Ricky]

Of course the DUmp wants Obama to appoint another Justice. It is a matter of anything the can do make it where there are far more liberal justices than conservative justices. Then anything the magic one wants will get passed through.

[thundley4]

Of course the DUmp wants Obama to appoint another Justice. It is a matter of anything the can do make it where there are far more liberal justices than conservative justices. Then anything the magic one wants will get passed through.

Short of dying, I don't see any conservative justice giving up their seat while anyone like Obama is in office.

[Kyle Ricky]

Short of dying, I don't see any conservative justice giving up their seat while anyone like Obama is in office.

I only hope and pray that is true.

[jtyangel]

Awesome...what a nightmare this guy is


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/feds-suspend-immigration-enforcement-program-after-arizona-court-ruling/

[thundley4]

Awesome...what a nightmare this guy is


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/feds-suspend-immigration-enforcement-program-after-arizona-court-ruling/

   This administration is the most criminal that I have ever heard of.  Obama is making Hugo and Fidel proud.

[Kyle Ricky]

Awesome...what a nightmare this guy is


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/feds-suspend-immigration-enforcement-program-after-arizona-court-ruling/

I can't wait till November and that bigot is kicked out of office. He is such an inept douchebag that it isn't funny.

[Danglars]

  This administration is the most criminal that I have ever heard of.  Obama is making Hugo and Fidel proud.

The only difference between Obama and Assad is that Obama isn't actually shooting us down--yet.

[sybilll]

I think the stunning factor that Roberts siding with the liberals is a signal that ObamaCare is absolutely toast.  Roberts handed them a gift before he drops the anvil on ObamaCare. 

[JohnnyReb]

I can't wait till November and that bigot is kicked out of office. He is such an inept douchebag that it isn't funny.

Not Obama's fault....Bill Ayers made him do it.

Hey, he has to blame someone doesn't he?

[Danglars]

I think the stunning factor that Roberts siding with the liberals is a signal that ObamaCare is absolutely toast.  Roberts handed them a gift before he drops the anvil on ObamaCare. 

I hope you're right. I hope we're not finding something out about Roberts. While judges, especially lib ones, may rule for purely ideological and not legal and evidentiary reasons, I've never noticed that any one of them splits the baby across decisions deliberately. I don't think so-called "swing" justices--and God I hope Roberts is not one of those!--are making a calculation of the kind, "ok, I've made this group happy, now I'll make that group happy." Just my opinion.

Ok I answered my own question: SCOTUS judges can hear reargument on a tied case. But that still requires a tie-breaking justice, and who knows when that'll happen? There won't be one for real as opposed to libpseudojudges unless Romney wins. If Roberts had sided with the good guys, the 9th Circuit's decision would have stood in full, for a very long time. I'm reaching the conclusion that Roberts did the best he could for AZ. Kennedy wasn't going to go for anything that exceeded federal law by a quintillionth of judicial nanometer, I'm betting.

[Bad Dog]

I hope you're right. I hope we're not finding something out about Roberts. While judges, especially lib ones, may rule for purely ideological and not legal and evidentiary reasons, I've never noticed that any one of them splits the baby across decisions deliberately. I don't think so-called "swing" justices--and God I hope Roberts is not one of those!--are making a calculation of the kind, "ok, I've made this group happy, now I'll make that group happy." Just my opinion.

Ok I answered my own question: SCOTUS judges can hear reargument on a tied case. But that still requires a tie-breaking justice, and who knows when that'll happen? There won't be one for real as opposed to libpseudojudges unless Romney wins. If Roberts had sided with the good guys, the 9th Circuit's decision would have stood in full, for a very long time. I'm reaching the conclusion that Roberts did the best he could for AZ. Kennedy wasn't going to go for anything that exceeded federal law by a quintillionth of judicial nanometer, I'm betting.

I know you're right but, this shit makes me really nervous.  As I said on a previous post, I imagine they are setting in their beautifully appointed offices, looking out on a beautiful view of DC and smiling at the thought of all of us ants scurrying around.

[Revolution]

^ Sorry Kyle, but I hate it when people keep saying things like "he's so inept." The truth is, he isn't. He's doing all he can to cripple what we have. A Capitalist Republic. It isn't mumbo jumbo. It isn't a conspiracy theory. It's truth. Just look back at everything he's done. The Executive Privelage thing, what he did today, and what he plans to maybe do (the other thred about his next possible executive order) are just a few examples, but they are some of the most glaring thus far.

The guy is honestly pretty intelligent, but in the dangerous kind of way. The Hannibal Lecter kind of intelligent. Dangerous...

He knows what he's doing, and he is succeeding.

[formerlurker]

Awesome...what a nightmare this guy is


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/feds-suspend-immigration-enforcement-program-after-arizona-court-ruling/

There are ways around this on the state side absolutely.   State laws can be enacted making it illegal to secure public services if you are not a legal citizen of the state (to include driver's licenses, etc.).    Hospitals could be fined for not reporting illegals -- you name it, a Republican controlled state house can start kicking out a ton of laws to make it very unattractive for illegals to want to squat in that state.   

[formerlurker]

He knows what he's doing, and he is succeeding.

I think he punts half the time.   What we are seeing with this, and with the threat of a slew of executive orders on his desk waiting the SCOTUS decision on health care, are acts of a very desperate and very arrogant administration.  

I shudder to think about the pardons he plans on giving on his way out the door.

[txradioguy]

So does this mean that states that set higher rules for vehicle emissions or minimum wages for employees than the Federal Government calls for...are in violation of the Constitution and should lower their standards back down to the Federal levels? Can they be sued for exceeding and overstepping the Federal Government?

[Revolution]

I think he punts half the time.   What we are seeing with this, and with the threat of a slew of executive orders on his desk waiting the SCOTUS decision on health care, are acts of a very desperate and very arrogant administration.  

I shudder to think about the pardons he plans on giving on his way out the door.

Very arrogant? Yes. Desperate? I personally think Obama wasn't sure the people would go along with his bullshit from the get go, so he had to put certain options in place.

For the record, Holder will certainly be one of those pardons. I'll bet all the money I get for the next 3 months.