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President tells Congress "FU." Invokes Executive Privilege re: Fast & Furious documents.

Suck it, Issa.

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3. Tough call.

While I think we should have more transparency, we still have to fight republican efforts to destroy us over everything and anything. It really pisses me off that it has to come to this.

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4. Well I agree with you however, it isn't so cut and clear. This program started under the

Bush Administration. If things in this report get out it could hurt alot of undercover people. Issa doesn't care about that. To him it's let hang the president. Find something anything to get him. Even some republicans want Issa to back off. Their hands aren't to clean either. On the other hand I do think we don't need to hurt our undercover people.

Yeah. Sure.

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6. The term Executive Privilege has a very negative connotation for me, which I can explain visually


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8. +1, on this topic though ISSA is being an asshole

There's an excuse that will hold-up in front of the electorate.

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7. What Would Be Cool Is That When The Info Is Finally Made Available To Issa.....

that it implicates the Bush Administration and the Repugs. Perhaps just wishful thinking.

If there were Holder would have released it already.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2012, 10:08:13 AM »
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9. 2 questions for everyone here

1. If BUSH had did an executive order to override congress similar to this, what would be your reaction.

2. If this implicates the BUSH ADMINISTRATION why wouldn't they want to disclose the information?
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Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:59 AM
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10. Definition of EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE

: exemption from legally enforced disclosure of communications within the executive branch of government when such disclosure would adversely affect the functions and decision-making processes of the executive branch

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/executive%20privilege

The implication being that this thing goes all the way to the top.

This is not a good thing.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 10:16:34 AM »
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President tells Congress "FU." Invokes Executive Privilege re: Fast & Furious documents.

Suck it, Issa.


EAD Champ.  You were signing quite the different tune when it was Bush invoking executive privilage.

But as we all know...with Libtards like you...different president...different set of rules.

Oh and Atman...here's some more hard truth for you and the other window lickers:

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It was left to Republican Senators Charles Grassley and John Cornyn to lay bare some crucial distinctions between to two ATF operations. Wide Receiver actually involved not gun-walking but controlled delivery. Unlike gun-walking, which seems (for good reason) to have been unheard of until Fast & Furious, controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic. Basically, the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself (e.g., heroin, child porn) or illegal for them to have/use (e.g., guns, corporate secrets). The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control — i.e., they are on the scene conducting surveillance of the transfer, and sometimes even participating undercover in the transfer. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question — all of which makes for powerful evidence of guilt.


To the contrary, Fast & Furious involved uncontrolled deliveries — of thousands of weapons. It was an utterly heedless program in which the feds allowed these guns to be sold to straw purchasers — often leaning on reluctant gun dealers to make the sales. The straw purchasers were not followed by close physical surveillance; they were freely permitted to bulk transfer the guns to, among others, Mexican drug gangs and other violent criminals — with no agents on hand to swoop in, make arrests, and grab the firearms. The inevitable result of this was that the guns have been used (and will continue to be used) in many crimes, including the murder of Brian Terry, a U.S. border patrol agent.


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282606/fast-furious-was-bushs-fault-andrew-c-mccarthy

Fast & Furious did not begin until 2009, months after the end of the Bush administration.

Go play in traffic you simplistic gasbag.
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 10:22:41 AM »
Fast & Furious did not begin until 2009, months after the end of the Bush administration.

It doesn't matter when it started. To the liberals it is all Bush's fault.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 11:06:06 AM »
We knew Pedro was anti-American trash, but now he indirectly admits he has no problem with border patrolmen and women dying if it means covering up for his Dear Leader.

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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 11:15:52 AM »
Rush just brought up how can Obama do executive priviledge if the WH was not involved which is what they stated.






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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 11:43:03 AM »
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7. What Would Be Cool Is That When The Info Is Finally Made Available To Issa.....

that it implicates the Bush Administration and the Repugs. Perhaps just wishful thinking.

If Bush could be implicated Holder would've released the documents.
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 11:49:42 AM »
Just heard on Rush that Byron York just tweeted this:

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2012, 11:52:54 AM »
Just heard on Rush that Byron York just tweeted this:

DU is celebrating.

I think Obama just ****ed himself with a jackhammer.

It would be hard to believe they didn't think through the ramifications of this but with this crew it's hard to say.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2012, 11:54:00 AM »
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2012, 11:58:24 AM »
If anyones going to end up sucking anything it's Atman and his Dump buddies when Holder gets canned and Barry Big Ears gets shown the door.
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2012, 12:08:51 PM »
Orrin Hatch is calling on Holder to resign. 
:popcorn:

I hope Holder gets nailed to the wall on this and the Terry family ends up owning his ass.  I would sue him for every penny he has and ensure that he lives the rest of his life destitute and unemployable.
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2012, 12:14:56 PM »
http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/20/today-obama-claims-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-internal-deliberations-october-2011-obama-says-he-was-not-informed-of-ff/

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Today: Obama Claims Executive Privilege Over Fast And Furious “Internal Deliberations” – October 2011: Obama Says He Was Not Informed of F&F…

Which begs the obvious question, how can Obama claim executive privilege of internal deliberations if he has previously claimed didn’t exist?

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »
I think the cheerleading threads will fall off the front page sooner rather than later.  Some of the DUmmies may have realized that Obama screwed the pooch on this one.

A couple of trolls make an appearance in this thread .

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Fast and Furious Question

First, forgive me for being so callused and heartless in the question I am about to ask.

Second, lets assume just for the sake of this question it goes all the way to the desk of President Obama.

So here is the question;

President Bush's war with Iraq which as far as I know did not find even one WMD or prove that Saddam Hussein had anything to do with 9/11 which is why we went to war cost our country over 4000 service members their lives plus the lives of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians not to mention the trillions of dollars, yet no contempt of congress or impeachment of the president. Yet, one boarder control agent dies and all hell is breaking loose. I feel for the family of that agent but why the deep concern for the one yet the total disregard of those 4000?
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 Fast and Furious Question (Original post)
SoutherDem   40 min ago   OP
 re: Fast and Furious Question
clang1   37 min ago   #1
 a border agent died because the ATF allowed firearms to get into the hands of drug cartels.
hahahareally   36 min ago   #2
 re: a border agent died because the ATF allowed firearms to get into the hands of drug cartels.
clang1   35 min ago   #3
 The way things are going, we will never find anything out because no one wants to be blamed.
hahahareally   28 min ago   #8
 The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
ret5hd   32 min ago   #4
 re: The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
clang1   30 min ago   #5
 re: A long time buddy. A long time. I get the games, and the players.
ret5hd   25 min ago   #10
 re: A long time buddy. A long time. I get the games, and the players.
clang1   22 min ago   #11
 re: A long time buddy. A long time. I get the games, and the players.
ret5hd   13 min ago   #12
 re: A long time buddy. A long time. I get the games, and the players.
clang1   10 min ago   #13
 In addition
rufus dog   29 min ago   #6
 re: It was crickets when Servicemen were electrocuted due to shoddy work by KBR.
clang1   27 min ago   #9
 If the gop were not so dead set on making an election isssue of it...
hrmjustin   28 min ago   #7
Response to SoutherDem (Original post)Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:46 PM
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1. re: Fast and Furious Question

Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:47 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

I almost posted myself on this, I have the same question. People die all the time because of what these people do. I don't get the incongruity either.
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2. a border agent died because the ATF allowed firearms to get into the hands of drug cartels.

I would say we need to find out why those guns were allowed to cross the border, no?

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2012, 12:23:43 PM »
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2012, 12:51:35 PM »
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7. If the gop were not so dead set on making an election isssue of it...

...then the legit questions can be asked and answered. This is a real issue and the dems on panel wanted to call the former AG, aft agents, and several other people i can not recall at this time. The gop said no, because they wanted an issue. And now the president has given them executive privilege and there goes the who melodrama.

Obama dragged this out for 2 years so tools like you could say this level of stupid shit.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2012, 12:52:37 PM »
This is what happens when DUmmies put their head in the sand.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2012, 12:58:44 PM »
How cute, they think they have a talking point to push on the American people.

You see, they aren't covering-up...they're protecting their field agents:

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13. Why are they protecting the Bush Administration is the real question

If the documents show Bush is responsible, why are they hiding behind EP?

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BlueToTheBone (1,136 posts)
15. I think it's more about

the agents in the field.

Not something * would have taken into consideration; but we do have people whose lives are on the line.

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20. It's much more than names

Even if you redact the names, which would not be complying with the subpoena anyway, there is plenty of other information that can help you identify the agents. Such as dates, locations and tactics.

The fact that they hide "John Smith" doesn't help if they describe an agent approaching a suspect on a particular date at a particular location, and using particular tactics to earn his trust.

Redact all those, and you're now withholding the entire document.

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21. DING DING DING! BlueToTheBone, you're our grand prize winner!

I think it's more about the agents in the field. Not something * would have taken into consideration...

As Valerie Plame can tell you.

 
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...altruisitic.
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2012, 01:02:45 PM »
Funny, this administration doesn't seem too concerned about protecting their "field agents" in the Middle East when they made it known the US was responsible for Stuxnet.
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2012, 01:03:33 PM »
Obama dragged this out for 2 years so tools like you could say this level of stupid shit.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2012, 01:06:34 PM »
How cute, they think they have a talking point to push on the American people.

You see, they aren't covering-up...they're protecting their field agents:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002832918

How...

...altruisitic.

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15. I think it's more about

the agents in the field.

Not something * would have taken into consideration; but we do have people whose lives are on the line.

Obama doesn't give two shits about agents in the field. Look at the White House leaks regarding  over seas operations.  Obama only cares about Obama, he would surrender his wife and children if it made him look good.

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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2012, 01:10:19 PM »
Obama doesn't give two shits about agents in the field. Look at the White House leaks regarding  over seas operations.  Obama only cares about Obama, he would surrender his wife and children if it made him look good.

Or, more directly: If Obama gave a shit about field agents he'd quit arming the cartels trying to kill them.
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Re: DU cheers another 4 points going to Rmoney fast and furiously
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2012, 01:23:28 PM »
Well, I guess that concern for agents in the field excludes Brian Terry.

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