Anti-Mormon thread goes off the rails

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

rfranklin (12,080 posts)

A Mormon is not a Christian...

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GodlessBiker (6,009 posts)
9. Yes, but how many angels does each side think can dance on the head of a pin?

I say let the feud keep on percolating. It makes both sides look idiotic.

trumad (31,847 posts)
10. Nope...

The Right Wing Christian Right can't stand Mormonism.

Let them stay home on election day because of it....

Bake (19,516 posts)
15. From your keyboard to Whoever's ears!

I think we need to remind the teabaggers at every turn that Mittens is one of THOSE--a freakin' Mormon! He's not one of THEM, he's a MORON--oops, MORMON!!! Remind them to watch "Sister Wives" or "Big Love."

By any means necessary.

Bake

Nuclear Unicorn (5,115 posts)
17. Fostering bigotry and religious intolerance for political gain on a Progressive board

Stunning. Just stunning. And when that same atmosphere of intolerance keeps a Buddhist or Muslim or Hindu from office you'll probably be the first to cry about it even though you're here, right now giving full-throated approval to it.

Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. It is not to be exploited for political gain tis is to be rejected at every turn.

Bake (19,516 posts)
20. Good for you.

I'm glad you're so pure. I want to WIN THIS ELECTION. By any means necessary. If it means playing on the inherent bigotry of the teabaggers, so be it. You can take comfort in your purity while President Romney continues gutting this nation, but I won't.

I don't hate Mormons. Hell, I don't hate anybody but the right wingers. But if they hate Mormons, I'll gladly remind them that THEIR CANDIDATE isn't one of them.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Bake

Nuclear Unicorn (5,118 posts)
21. Are you saying the President has nothing else to run-on except appeals to bigotry?

Wow. That's even more stunning. So if Jewish GOPer runs for office you gonna stir up a few blood libels just to keep things lively?

Bake (19,517 posts)
28. No, I'm NOT saying that.

But nice try at a straw man.

I'm saying whatever it takes ... The President can run on positive platform. But if some of us need to take the "low road" to keep a few teabaggers home on election day, I have no problem with reminding them of FACTS that will keep them home.

Why you don't, I cannot fathom.

The facts are these: (1) Rmoney is a Mormon. (2) Most teabaggers find Mormons creepy.

Why is there a problem with reminding them of those facts? You're bringing a knife to a gun fight. When you do that, you will lose. But you can feel good about losing, apparently.

I can't.

Bake

Nuclear Unicorn (5,118 posts)
38. (2) They may find it creepy but they also like Glen Beck

So why bother? I refuse to foster bigotry. Supposedly RWers are hateful. Instead of getting people past hate you want to fuel it. Heaven forbid people stop using religion as an excuse to hate each other and deny each other their humanity.

And no I'm not bringing a knife or a gun. Enough of the violent metaphors. Between that and the appeals to bigotry why do you even call yourself a progressive?

Bake (19,517 posts)
48. Politics is a nasty business.

You can comfort yourself with your own smugness when you lose.

I call myself a progressive because I don't want to see the Rethugs continue to rape the country, continue to shit on the working man and woman, continue to shit on teachers, firefighters, and police, continue to gut Medicare and Social Security. And if it takes playing on the teabaggers' inherent bigotry to prevent that, I'm fine with it. I don't know why you're NOT.

That's why I call myself a progressive, not becuase I am holier-than-thou on tactics (like YOU ARE). Alert on me. I dare you. Let's take a DU poll and see who arees with whom.

Bake

snooper2 (13,022 posts)
23. Calling religion idiotic isn't bigotry, it's spreading the truth..

We need to get humans off the religous train and on to a science train--

Global warming, the cosmos, our planets history, that should be everyones religion. Europe is ahead of the United States, but we should have a majority of the population not following any mythology in 2-300 years. The real problem will be getting the Middle East to catch up. That will be at least another 1000.

Trick is to keep letting basically teenagers know how silly the whole enterprise is   

Since there is no "afterlife" we need to do our part to educate as many as possible because whoever is around in the year 2420 basically is our "afterlife".

Nuclear Unicorn (5,118 posts)
27. Judging from Bake's posts

Being non-religious is not a safeguard against the fostering of bigotry.

OOF!

Bake (19,517 posts)
32. Who the hell is "fostering bigotry?"

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The bigotry is out there. The teabaggers HAVE IT IN BUCKETS FULL. I'm just in favor of reminding them of their own established positions.

But you can feel good when Pres. Rmoney is inaugurated, and then whine when he does exactly what he says he'll do.

Bake

Nuclear Unicorn (5,118 posts)
41. And you apparently love it.

Instead of saying we need to accept each other despite our differences you want to profit form that. You're no better than the nimrods trying to tell Christians to distrust Obama because he grew-up going to Madrassas.

Bake (19,517 posts)
51. He went to SCHOOL. Was it a Madrassa?

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Or have you just bought into the RW line?

Bake

Nuclear Unicorn (5,118 posts)
55. It doesn't matter

The point is they -- just like you -- are using fear, mistrust and bigotry for political ends. *That* is the "RW line" except we can't call it RW anymore since you and others want to do the exact same thing.

OOF! again

It goes on like that and then there's this descent into lunacy:

Nye Bevan (6,806 posts)
22. Acrimonious "niggling"? Do you really need to use a word whose first 4 letters

are the same as the n-word? There have been complaints about "niggardly" on this board, so "niggling" is equally questionable.

Nye Bevan (6,806 posts)
30. Thanks. But I'm disappointed in the NY Times for allowing this word.

"Bickering" would be an excellent substitute, just like "miserly" has the same meaning as "niggardly".

UnrepentantLiberal (5,005 posts)
37. I got in huge war in Meta over the use of the word niggardly.

I even had a post hidden over it. There's simply no good reason to use that word.

Nye Bevan (6,806 posts)
45. Of course. Like "Niger" should be referred to as "the country bordering Algeria and Libya"

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at least, until it has the sensitivity and good sense to change its name.

Is this who we would presume to fear?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002803307

[IassaFTots]

Hmmmmmm.......I dunno.  Looks like NU's hubby might be rubbing off on her a bit. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Hmmmmmm.......I dunno.  Looks like NU's hubby might be rubbing off on her a bit. 

Not enough, he ain't.

I saw her earlier in a different thread strategising on how to get single-payer back into the public discourse.

She needs lessons in sandwhich making.

[Bad Dog]

I am constantly amazed at their absolute misunderstanding of the Tea Party.  They wouldn't get it if a "Teabagger" bit them on the balls --- Oh wait.

[wasp69]

Is it just me, or are the only bigots carping about Mitt Romney's religion the very same ones that claim they are not bigots?  It seems to me that the only group saying a Mormon can't be president are demoshits.

Did I miss something?

[Gina]

 

[IassaFTots]

Not enough, he ain't.

I saw her earlier in a different thread strategising on how to get single-payer back into the public discourse.

She needs lessons in sandwhich making.

Oh well.....so much for that great idea.

[Ballygrl]

Democratic Underground and Free Republic need to merge their sites, the DU'ers and Freepers are sounding way too much alike and rooting for Obama.

[wasp69]

Democratic Underground and Free Republic need to merge their sites, the DU'ers and Freepers are sounding way too much alike and rooting for Obama.

No kidding.  I shut off the lights and walked out of FR about two months ago for the last time after being a member there since March of 1998.  What that website has become is absolutely tragic. 

[hillneck]

Nothing like a good old bitch fight among the DUmbasses.  

[movie buff]

As usual for the DUmmies, in a thread supposedly about how bigoted Christian conservatives are, they reveal themselves to be the real bigots.
"Snooper2" is part of the reason why I'm glad I'm working with the youth program of my church. His comments/ ambitions are flat- out dangerous ("Global warming, the cosmos, our planets history, that should be everyones religion," aka a belief set completely devoid of concepts like mercy, compassion, grace, decency, hope, humility, love, and personal and social holiness which are all central to the Christian faith), belief sets similar to his have led to the creation of such innovative concepts as eugenics, ethnic cleansing, etc.. Reading his comments, I am prouder than ever that I am helping the kids and teens in my church to learn more about the Christian faith and how to apply it to their lives, keeping them from becoming the sorts of cold- hearted cynics that "Snooper2" desires them to be. Many of the kids' faith, hope, courage, and joy are already as inspiring to me as I hope I am to them.
In a few weeks, I'll be helping to lead a few of them on a missions trip to Cat Island. The youth program has sponsored an orphanage there, so we'll be doing a sports camp for the children there, and having worship services with them. I can't wait.

[FlaGator]

Speaking as an orthodox Christian... we're not voting on the Pope or something, we're voting for President and has long has he supports things that Christians are for then he can be Buddhist for all I care.

I think this is just another cause of some libs projecting their tendencies on conservatives. It would be an issue for them so they assume it will be an issue for us.

[Skul]

Speaking as an orthodox Christian... we're not voting on the Pope or something, we're voting for President and has long has he supports things that Christians are for then he can be Buddhist for all I care.

I think this is just another cause of some libs projecting their tendencies on conservatives. It would be an issue for them so they assume it will be an issue for us.

They're so wrong on so many things, they may as well be wrong on this one, too.
They so badly want it to be true, it must be.

[miskie]

Re Anti-Mormon Primitives:

Alright, so - lets assume that Romney is a devout Mormon - what percentage of the Mormon faith aligns with a devout Christian's faith - 95% or so ?

I would suggest that is quite a bit higher than Obama would score based on his actions as POTUS.

In other words, DUmmies - once again you fail.

[thundley4]

Re Anti-Mormon Primitives:

Alright, so - lets assume that Romney is a devout Mormon - what percentage of the Mormon faith aligns with a devout Christian's faith - 95% or so ?

I would suggest that is quite a bit higher than Obama would score based on his actions as POTUS.

In other words, DUmmies - once again you fail.

We know some Mormons whose faith rarely aligns with Christianity.  Harry Reid is a Mormon and a firm believer of killing babies for convenience.

[Skul]

We know some Mormons whose faith rarely aligns with Christianity.  Harry Reid is a Mormon and a firm believer of killing babies for convenience.

Dingy Harry is referred to as a "jack Mormon".
He no more is representative of the faith that Belosi is of hers.
I've known quite a few Mormons in my life, and they're some of the niced people you'd ever meet.

[thundley4]

Dingy Harry is referred to as a "jack Mormon".
He no more is representative of the faith that Belosi is of hers.
I've known quite a few Mormons in my life, and they're some of the niced people you'd ever meet.

Every faith has it's posers.

[DefiantSix]

We know some Mormons whose faith rarely aligns with Christianity.  Harry Reid is a Mormon and a firm believer of killing babies for convenience.

I have no way of verifying this personally (confidentiality of the confessional and all that) but based solely upon the policy positions he's on record for, there is no possible way that Harry Reid could successfully acquire or renew a temple recommend - the standard for "orthodoxy" in my church - by answering honestly.  The recommend interview occurs every 2 years in an active Mormon's life, and asks such questions as "Do you support any group or organization whose teachings are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?" and "Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow man?", both of which I think would toss Whorehouse Harry onto the "no-go" pile.

[miskie]

We know some Mormons whose faith rarely aligns with Christianity.  Harry Reid is a Mormon and a firm believer of killing babies for convenience.

I would submit that Dingy Harry is the exception that proves the rule.

[thundley4]

I have no way of verifying this personally (confidentiality of the confessional and all that) but based solely upon the policy positions he's on record for, there is no possible way that Harry Reid could successfully acquire or renew a temple recommend - the standard for "orthodoxy" in my church - by answering honestly.  The recommend interview occurs every 2 years in an active Mormon's life, and asks such questions as "Do you support any group or organization whose teachings are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?" and "Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow man?", both of which I think would toss Whorehouse Harry onto the "no-go" pile.

Would that mean that Reid is lying when claims to be a Mormon, or just that doesn't belong to a temple?  (I admit I'm totally ignorant of the Mormon Faith. )

[DefiantSix]

Would that mean that Reid is lying when claims to be a Mormon, or just that doesn't belong to a temple?  (I admit I'm totally ignorant of the Mormon Faith. )

No, he can claim to "be a mormon" simply by having a valid baptismal certificate. 

However, when claiming to "be a Mormon" he is, in fact, misleading whoever is listening to him by playing on the assumption they have on what the "typical Mormon" is like.  The majority of Mormons have and maintain a current temple recommend (valid to enter any temple, not just the one in your local region) and the standard required is ridiculously easy (having faith in God, and his Son Jesus Christ, living an honest life, living the law of chastity, supporting and sustaining the church leaders at all levels, living the "Word of Wisdom" (Church's law prohibiting smoking, caffeine, and encouraging generally healthy living with moderation in all other things) in addition the two specific questions I mentioned above).  When your average Mormon answers that he is mormon, you stand better than 80% chance that s/he is living to the above standard and ascertains as such to their Bishop every two years.  Again, based purely on the policy stances that he's taken, Harry Reid couldn't possibly answer the recommend questions honestly and still come away with a recommend in hand, ergo, he is misleading people when he without qualification states that he IS a Mormon.

[Skul]

Would that mean that Reid is lying when claims to be a Mormon, or just that doesn't belong to a temple?  (I admit I'm totally ignorant of the Mormon Faith. )

No. He was born and raised as such. He just turned his back on their beliefs.
I was born and raised a Lutheran. I haven't attended a service in decades.
It doesn't make me a non-Lutheran.
The difference in Harry and I, is that I still follow the basic teachings of the Bible, he follows the basic rules of power.

[BlueStateSaint]

I'm not sure, but concerning Pelosi, the Archbishop of SF may have told her that Communion is "not recommended."  Sort of the same way that Kathleen Sebellius has been de facto excommunicated by her bishop in Kansas.

[Duke Nukum]

Not enough, he ain't.

I saw her earlier in a different thread strategising on how to get single-payer back into the public discourse.

She needs lessons in sandwhich making.

She thinks sandwiches come from 0bama.
 

[miskie]

She thinks sandwiches come from 0bama.
 

I do not want a sammich made by a primitive. Probably full of tofu and crap that I wont eat.