it is the WE "lack of happy hour" thread!!

[Wretched Excess]

it stormed like hell right at 5pm, and we all decided to not try to crawl back home.

I am getting ready for interleague play (check the sports forum for my thoughts on that)
and the dodgers playing the "identity crisis angels of anahole".

what are y'all up to tonight?

[jtyangel]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

[Chris_]

it stormed like hell right at 5pm, and we all decided to not try to crawl back home. :-)

I am getting ready for interleague play (check the sports forum for my thoughts on that)
and the dodgers playing the "identity crisis angels of anahole". :-)

what are y'all up to tonight?

Stormed here in L.A?  When did that happen?  I got in from Jamaica around 10:00 pm and it was clear as a bell.

[Wretched Excess]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

[Wretched Excess]

it stormed like hell right at 5pm, and we all decided to not try to crawl back home.

I am getting ready for interleague play (check the sports forum for my thoughts on that)
and the dodgers playing the "identity crisis angels of anahole".

what are y'all up to tonight?

Stormed here in L.A?  When did that happen?  I got in from Jamaica around 10:00 pm and it was clear as a bell.

we have been over this and over this, FD.  I was born in LA, I live in SC.

[Chris_]

it stormed like hell right at 5pm, and we all decided to not try to crawl back home. :-)

I am getting ready for interleague play (check the sports forum for my thoughts on that)
and the dodgers playing the "identity crisis angels of anahole". :-)

what are y'all up to tonight?

Stormed here in L.A?  When did that happen?  I got in from Jamaica around 10:00 pm and it was clear as a bell.

we have been over this and over this, FD.  I was born in LA, I live in SC. :-)

Sorry -- I always forget.  I mean, living in SC is pretty forgettable (/LA Temp=95 Humidity 10%)

[Crazy Horse]

it stormed like hell right at 5pm, and we all decided to not try to crawl back home.

I am getting ready for interleague play (check the sports forum for my thoughts on that)
and the dodgers playing the "identity crisis angels of anahole".

what are y'all up to tonight?

Stormed here in L.A?  When did that happen?  I got in from Jamaica around 10:00 pm and it was clear as a bell.

we have been over this and over this, FD.  I was born in LA, I live in SC.

Well you should thank god for where you're at

[Wretched Excess]

it stormed like hell right at 5pm, and we all decided to not try to crawl back home.

I am getting ready for interleague play (check the sports forum for my thoughts on that)
and the dodgers playing the "identity crisis angels of anahole".

what are y'all up to tonight?

Stormed here in L.A?  When did that happen?  I got in from Jamaica around 10:00 pm and it was clear as a bell.

we have been over this and over this, FD.  I was born in LA, I live in SC.

Sorry -- I always forget.  I mean, living in SC is pretty forgettable (/LA Temp=95 Humidity 10%)

you elitist POS! 

SC in particular, and the south in general, is a great place to live.  we didn't just allow gay marriage, for example.

[jtyangel]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

[Wretched Excess]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

heh.  interesting.  do you have adobe acrobat?

[Wretched Excess]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

if you have broadband, and you have acrobat . .

click here: http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Gesundheit_final_may_2008.pdf

[Wretched Excess]

look for david freddoso's commentary.

[jtyangel]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

heh.  interesting.  do you have adobe acrobat?

yes, sir I do.

[jtyangel]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

if you have broadband, and you have acrobat . .

click here: http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Gesundheit_final_may_2008.pdf

Thanks, WE. I appreciate the help. I actually have a personal tie to this too. My grandmother died waiting for cancer treatment in the 80's under Britain's National Healthcare system. I started looking into this back in the early 90's when I was a bit more aware of what had happened and its really solidified my view on this. I decided to turn it into a bully pulpit for a few minutes to present a side I don't think a lot of the folks in there get access too. 

[Wretched Excess]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

if you have broadband, and you have acrobat . .

click here: http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Gesundheit_final_may_2008.pdf

Thanks, WE. I appreciate the help. I actually have a personal tie to this too. My grandmother died waiting for cancer treatment in the 80's under Britain's National Healthcare system. I started looking into this back in the early 90's when I was a bit more aware of what had happened and its really solidified my view on this. I decided to turn it into a bully pulpit for a few minutes to present a side I don't think a lot of the folks in there get access too. 

I thought you may have found a few useful facts in there.

my google-fu in strong.  shall I plumb the depths of the internets for you?  you would be surprised what I
can find.   

[jtyangel]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

if you have broadband, and you have acrobat . .

click here: http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Gesundheit_final_may_2008.pdf

Thanks, WE. I appreciate the help. I actually have a personal tie to this too. My grandmother died waiting for cancer treatment in the 80's under Britain's National Healthcare system. I started looking into this back in the early 90's when I was a bit more aware of what had happened and its really solidified my view on this. I decided to turn it into a bully pulpit for a few minutes to present a side I don't think a lot of the folks in there get access too. 

I thought you may have found a few useful facts in there.

my google-fu in strong.  shall I plumb the depths of the internets for you?  you would be surprised what I
can find.   

Have at it...I'm already digging through the Cato Institute and some other gems.

[Wretched Excess]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

if you have broadband, and you have acrobat . .

click here: http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Gesundheit_final_may_2008.pdf

Thanks, WE. I appreciate the help. I actually have a personal tie to this too. My grandmother died waiting for cancer treatment in the 80's under Britain's National Healthcare system. I started looking into this back in the early 90's when I was a bit more aware of what had happened and its really solidified my view on this. I decided to turn it into a bully pulpit for a few minutes to present a side I don't think a lot of the folks in there get access too. 

I thought you may have found a few useful facts in there.

my google-fu in strong.  shall I plumb the depths of the internets for you?  you would be surprised what I
can find.   

Have at it...I'm already digging through the Cato Institute and some other gems.

heck.  Cato is where it's at.  they specialize in private healthcare.

when is it due?

[Wretched Excess]

the paper, I mean.

[jtyangel]

Writing my next speech, yet here I sit.

Maybe beer will make it better? 

what's the subject?

Persuasive...and I'm going anti-national healthcare in a bunch of libs

if you have broadband, and you have acrobat . .

click here: http://www.stockholm-network.org/downloads/publications/Gesundheit_final_may_2008.pdf

Thanks, WE. I appreciate the help. I actually have a personal tie to this too. My grandmother died waiting for cancer treatment in the 80's under Britain's National Healthcare system. I started looking into this back in the early 90's when I was a bit more aware of what had happened and its really solidified my view on this. I decided to turn it into a bully pulpit for a few minutes to present a side I don't think a lot of the folks in there get access too. 

I thought you may have found a few useful facts in there.

my google-fu in strong.  shall I plumb the depths of the internets for you?  you would be surprised what I
can find.   

Have at it...I'm already digging through the Cato Institute and some other gems.

heck.  Cato is where it's at.  they specialize in private healthcare.

when is it due?

Just a rough outline on Monday. Believe it or not I can usually pull it together that quickly that I don't have to rewrite it. 

I'll have to actually give it in all its glory 2 weeks from Monday.

[Wretched Excess]

you flatly ignore numerous internet(s) friends that would help you here, but OK.

[jtyangel]

you flatly ignore numerous internet(s) friends that would help you here, but OK.

I'm not ignoring Just, as is usual for me, waited until as close as I could cut it because I truly do pull my act together best when my ass is to the flame.

[ReardenSteel]

you flatly ignore numerous internet(s) friends that would help you here, but OK.

I'm not ignoring Just, as is usual for me, waited until as close as I could cut it because I truly do pull my act together best when my ass is to the flame.

I know you need exactly zero help from moi to make a first rate work. But I can affirm that your right about the fact that beer does in fact, make everything better.
 

Here's my thoughts anyway. Ignore at your, er... leisure.   

(From: Americans for Free Choice in Medicine)

Health Care Is Not a Right
By Leonard Peikoff, Ph.D.
http://www.afcm.org/hcinar.html

Most people who oppose socialized medicine do so on the grounds that it is moral and well-intentioned, but impractical; i.e., it is a noble idea—which just somehow does not work. I do not agree that socialized medicine is moral and well-intentioned, but impractical. Of course, it is impractical—it does not work—but I hold that it is impractical because it is immoral. This is not a case of noble in theory but a failure in practice; it is a case of vicious in theory and therefore a disaster in practice. So I'm going to leave it to other speakers to concentrate on the practical flaws in the Clinton health plan. I want to focus on the moral issue at stake. So long as people believe that socialized medicine is a noble plan, there is no way to fight it. You cannot stop a noble plan—not if it really is noble. The only way you can defeat it is to unmask it—to show that it is the very opposite of noble. Then at least you have a fighting chance.

The Right Vision Of Health Care
Yaron Brook 01.08.08, 12:30 PM ET
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/01/08/health-republican-plans-oped-cx_ybr_0108health.html

excerpt:

As each new intervention further distorted the health care market, driving up costs and lowering quality, belligerent voices demanded still further interventions to preserve the "right" to health care. And Republican politicians--not daring to challenge the notion of such a "right"--have, like Romney, Schwarzenegger and Bush, outdone even the Democrats in expanding government health care.

The solution to this ongoing crisis is to recognize that the very idea of a "right" to health care is a perversion. There can be no such thing as a "right" to products or services created by the effort of others, and this most definitely includes medical products and services. Rights, as our founding fathers conceived them, are not claims to economic goods, but freedoms of action.

Anywho, back to drinking. 

[delilahmused]

Oh, I missed happy hour?! I've been researching TiT shit and watching a special about the Ramones. Oh well, won't be the first time I missed something because I wasn't paying attention.

Cindie

[Randy]

I feel a disruption of the Force.

[jtyangel]

you flatly ignore numerous internet(s) friends that would help you here, but OK.

I'm not ignoring Just, as is usual for me, waited until as close as I could cut it because I truly do pull my act together best when my ass is to the flame.

I know you need exactly zero help from moi to make a first rate work. But I can affirm that your right about the fact that beer does in fact, make everything better.
 

Here's my thoughts anyway. Ignore at your, er... leisure.   

(From: Americans for Free Choice in Medicine)

Health Care Is Not a Right
By Leonard Peikoff, Ph.D.
http://www.afcm.org/hcinar.html

Most people who oppose socialized medicine do so on the grounds that it is moral and well-intentioned, but impractical; i.e., it is a noble idea—which just somehow does not work. I do not agree that socialized medicine is moral and well-intentioned, but impractical. Of course, it is impractical—it does not work—but I hold that it is impractical because it is immoral. This is not a case of noble in theory but a failure in practice; it is a case of vicious in theory and therefore a disaster in practice. So I'm going to leave it to other speakers to concentrate on the practical flaws in the Clinton health plan. I want to focus on the moral issue at stake. So long as people believe that socialized medicine is a noble plan, there is no way to fight it. You cannot stop a noble plan—not if it really is noble. The only way you can defeat it is to unmask it—to show that it is the very opposite of noble. Then at least you have a fighting chance.

The Right Vision Of Health Care
Yaron Brook 01.08.08, 12:30 PM ET
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/01/08/health-republican-plans-oped-cx_ybr_0108health.html

excerpt:

As each new intervention further distorted the health care market, driving up costs and lowering quality, belligerent voices demanded still further interventions to preserve the "right" to health care. And Republican politicians--not daring to challenge the notion of such a "right"--have, like Romney, Schwarzenegger and Bush, outdone even the Democrats in expanding government health care.

The solution to this ongoing crisis is to recognize that the very idea of a "right" to health care is a perversion. There can be no such thing as a "right" to products or services created by the effort of others, and this most definitely includes medical products and services. Rights, as our founding fathers conceived them, are not claims to economic goods, but freedoms of action.

Anywho, back to drinking. 

Ignore? Are you kidding me? This is all very helpful. I'm still forming the body of this thing and all of this helps. I really do appreciate you guys helping out even without me asking. Beers, all around!