The thread that proves Scott Walker was right to take-on the school unions.
newthinking (118 posts)
If we lose, I believe *this* post demonstrates why
Last edited Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:43 AM USA/ET - Edit history (4)
From Comments (Not Obama's, a Democrat) placed on the NBC news page declaring the winner:
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There is a time and place for Unions and the time is over and the place is not within any of our government employee base, and I'm a Democrat that has some of the same believes as a Republican. I attribute some of the current problems We face to date because of Unions, I'm not going to hide my head in the sand and march to any piper. >>>>>>> Obama 2012 [italics original]
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(Edit as I think it was being misunderstood due to grammer problems. The poster is saying they support Obama at the end, it is not an Obama Quote)
We are loosing the war of ideas [You're not winning any spelling contests, either --SSB] by compromising and not holding to a strong and distinct message and that is reflected daily, even here on these boards , this comment reflects that.
I don't believe we will loose the Presidency. But the way we are conducting business as Democrats, mixing our message and sometimes even values, even expressing some Republican talking points in to "appeal" to "centrists, is too weak to counter the power of monitized and consistant [sic] messaging by the other forces.
We know what Republicans believe in. It is confused *Democrats*, like the one above, that will weaken our party and it's strength in the ballot box. I believe we will see more and more "cross over" as we lose on the issues, even if we manage to hold ground in many offices. And unfortunately that will have been much of our own making.
This is not a "Blame Obama" post. Hopefully it will be seen as a "Wake Up" post. We need to support Democrats, but we also need to insist and strengthen our support for *all* of primary progressive values and ideas. You know.. the ones we used to believe in with more conviction in the past. Whether that involves Unions, Teachers, Taxes, Detrimental Globalization, Environment, Safety Net, Social Security, Gender equality, LGBT rights, Democracy, Fair Economics .... all of it. We have science and history as a basis and we should never jetison the strength of our convictions based on expediency in "reaching out". Because ultimately that is a loosing proposition.
link:
http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/05/12074595-nbc-news-walker-emerges-victorious-in-wisconsin-recall#comments
Search down the comments for a poster named Sam2468
OK, do you see that? Plain as day. The OP quotes a poster at CNBC who says public employee unions have outstayed their welcome but to should his solidarity with Democrat Party ideals he signs-off with a plug for Obama's re-election.
It's not that hard...
...BUT...
mahina (4,917 posts)
1. I can not believe Obama said that. Show me a link or citation that is verifiable.
Please.
mac56 (12,732 posts)
3. +1
I do not believe he said that.
The OP tries faithfully--fruitlessly--to keep DU from embarrassing itself.
newthinking (118 posts)
4. What are your referring to? And I have attached the link
http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/05/12074595-nbc-news-walker-emerges-victorious-in-wisconsin-recall#comments
Search down the comments for a poster named Sam2468
To no avail:
mac56 (12,732 posts)
9. Oh, the President is posting under the name Sam2468 now?!
How clever of him.
mahina (4,917 posts)
11. You know, Sam. Sam Obama?
ZombieHorde (20,531 posts)
2. I am not familure with that quote, but if it is being spread around, then yes, that is problematic
for liberals.
Not familiar with spelling, either, I see.
markpkessinger (2,066 posts)
6. You need a more specific citation than "Obama 2012" . . .
I just did an exact quote advanced Google search for the phrase "There is a time and place for Unions and the time is over". The search returned a SINGLE hit: YOUR POST. So, unless you can provide a citation that anybody else can verify, I have to assume you are making shit up.
Poll_Blind (20,669 posts)
13. Looks like a BS quote- here's what he said in 2008:
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Even Obama....even Obama...wouldn't throw unions under the bus like that.
PB
Kurovski (31,375 posts)
15. Can't find that on the intertubes. Did he tell you this at a University of Chicago barbeque?
"We", huh?
Kurovski (31,375 posts)
34. The post I read attributed a quote to Obama. I read the full post of your first version.
Dude, you have 4! I read the post. It had initially appeared to be a bit trollish, which is weakest of all. There has subsequently been a clarification.
It took a lot of years and a lot of money to create "union" into a dirty word. We are facing many millions of dollars of lies and distortions that people will find difficult to resist. The psychological triumph of leading people to vote to their own detriment cannot be understated.
Kurovski (31,375 posts)
39. Edit beforehand. people rely on certain things for clarity. Conclusions are jumped to for reasons.
You are being overuled by we the readers, my DU compatriot.
I ain't been here much meself lately.
And so, goodnight
mahina (4,917 posts)
18. Excuse me, but are you kidding me?
What are you, 12?
Just posting it somewhere else and attributing it to the Obama campaign does not make that a credible source.
Holy smokes.
Even if he is 12 his reading comprehension is still better than yours.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002772951So...
...somewhere out there is a pait of democrat loyalists trying to salvage what is left of the Left only to have their message drowned by idiots, dolts and morons who refuse to read plain English.
Remind me why public schools deserve our accolades and money.
