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"Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« on: May 16, 2008, 12:58:44 PM »
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I was watching a backlogged recording of Oprah the other day - the Michael Moore episode - and they had a spokesliar for the health insurance oligarchy on. One of her points was that doctors have to make a profit.

WRONG!

Doctors have to make a LIVING, not a PROFIT. They are not the same. A living means they pay their expenses, take care of their bills, put food on their tables, raise their kids, etc. A profit means they make excess capital which can be reinvested somewhere.

One of the reasons Republicans have this country so screwed up is because they have changed and confused the meanings of words. This is another example. The average person doesn't understand the difference between making a living and making a profit anymore, so they hear dumbass statements like that and don't bat an eye. The health insurance thieves then get their false justifications made scot-free, and the end result is that we are once again argued into keeping a healthcare system that ensures people become ill, while the insurers take the public's money and run away with it. The distinction between profit and making a living may be a subtle difference, but it is still an important one. Everyone of course has to make a living, and no one wants to deny doctors that - even a luxurious living by the average person's standards. Saying that they have to make a profit is saying that they have to act so that their business expands and makes more money, instead of only breaking even on their expenses, which includes salary for the doctor and staff.

If we are ever to have the healthcare we need in this country, this is one of the ideas we will have to put to rest. socialized medicine doesn't mean that the doctors involved are required to live as poverty-stricken serfs, but making profits is for corporations and investors, and really doesn't have a place where people's health is on the line.

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Nobody needs to make a profit, but they certainly have the RIGHT to. What about it does this assclown not get?
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 01:01:41 PM »
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If we are ever to have the healthcare we need in this country, this is one of the ideas we will have to put to rest. socialized medicine doesn't mean that the doctors involved are required to live as poverty-stricken serfs, but making profits is for corporations and investors, and really doesn't have a place where people's health is on the line.

Yeah, that "capitalism" sucks.  The idea that someone (who, this idiot?) gets to determine what a "living" is has been so successful in paradises like Cuba, Russia, etc.
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 01:15:41 PM »
No one needs a car. No one needs a home. No one needs a bicycle. No one needs a television. No one needs most things.

Hey DUmmie, I know where you can go to relieve yourself from your misery:



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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 01:18:11 PM »
Where will these amazing doctors so willing to sacrifice their lives for no reward be found?  Maybe they will come from the same place as the blockbuster movie stars who are willing to work for union scale.

Hey, DUmbasses!  Profits insure the strive for quality and quality insures the strive for profits.  In the industry of medicine you cannot remove one without removing the other.
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 01:19:11 PM »
Quote from: BadCat on May 16, 2008, 01:11:23 PM
You ever see that DUmmy?
He AND his wife combined weigh over 1000 lbs.
The food business is making a HUGE profit on those two lardasses.

No...and now I don't think I want to.  :puke:
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 01:22:40 PM »
Without profit, where's the need for competition, which drives essentially all forms of innovation?
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 01:38:16 PM »
Teh Stoopid - it hurts!!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 02:17:01 PM »
I've seen their pics.

Any profits they make go straight to the belly.



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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 02:58:09 PM »
I'm reminded of what Adam Smith once wrote

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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 03:47:33 PM »
What a bunch of idiocy from the group that considers themselves to be intellectually superior.

To make a living a business man must first make a profit..it doesn`t get any simpler then that.

Funny too they never seem to worry about the profits made by the trial lawyers (John Edwards) who have forced health care costs through the roof. ::)
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 05:05:48 PM »
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A profit means they make excess capital which can be reinvested somewhere.
Which happens to be good for our economy...and also guarantees that they will pay hefty taxes.  No profits, lower taxes, DUmmies have to find work...you'd think they'd love excess capital.   :whatever:
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2008, 06:47:21 AM »
It is only a necessity for doctors to the extent you want people to invest the huge amount of time and money it takes to become one, and to the extent you want to continue to sustain a Lotto-like personal injury civil justice system.  I don't believe the DUmmies have any sort of cogent approach on the first problem, and they love the second one since the American Trial Lawyers Association and its members are massive left-of-center donors. 
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2008, 07:12:34 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on May 17, 2008, 06:47:21 AM
It is only a necessity for doctors to the extent you want people to invest the huge amount of time and money it takes to become one, and to the extent you want to continue to sustain a Lotto-like personal injury civil justice system.  I don't believe the DUmmies have any sort of cogent approach on the first problem, and they love the second one since the American Trial Lawyers Association and its members are massive left-of-center donors. 

Great post!

But can you name one issue where the DUmmies DO have a cogent approach to a solution?  :-)
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2008, 08:36:43 AM »
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Doctors have to make a LIVING, not a PROFIT. They are not the same. A living means they pay their expenses, take care of their bills, put food on their tables, raise their kids, etc. A profit means they make excess capital which can be reinvested somewhere.

What are they suppose to do when it's time to retire? Oh,  live off of that comfortable income that social security promises... yeah right. I really wish I could talk to some of these people in person just to see the expressions on their faces when a view simple questions are asked that will allow them to elaborate further on their points of view.
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2008, 08:37:52 AM »
I think Liberalism isn't a necessity.
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2008, 08:49:05 AM »
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Doctors have to make a LIVING, not a PROFIT. They are not the same. A living means they pay their expenses, take care of their bills, put food on their tables, raise their kids, etc. A profit means they make excess capital which can be reinvested somewhere.

What are they suppose to do when it's time to retire? Oh,  live off of that comfortable income that social security promises... yeah right. I really wish I could talk to some of these people in person just to see the expressions on their faces when a view simple questions are asked that will allow them to elaborate further on their points of view.


FlaGator, you'd be back to losing IQ points . . .
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2008, 12:13:18 PM »
 
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EstimatedProphet   (1000+ posts)            Fri May-16-08 01:43 PM
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I was watching a backlogged recording of Oprah the other day - the Michael Moore episode - and they had a spokesliar for the health insurance oligarchy on. One of her points was that doctors have to make a profit.

WRONG!

Doctors have to make a LIVING, not a PROFIT. They are not the same. A living means they pay their expenses, take care of their bills, put food on their tables, raise their kids, etc. A profit means they make excess capital which can be reinvested somewhere.
Uh, no. a profit is:the monetary surplus left to a producer or employer after deducting wages, rent, cost of raw materials, etc., therefore, if a doctor is paying for his food and housing, it is with his PROFITS.
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One of the reasons Republicans have this country so screwed up is because they have changed and confused the meanings of words.
Gee, it seems to me that it is the liberals who want to change the meaning of words, the word "is" for example, the word "Marriage" for a second...
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This is another example. The average person doesn't understand the difference between making a living and making a profit anymore,
Oh, we do, it is just you liberal dipshits who have so many problems with plain English.
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so they hear dumbass statements like that and don't bat an eye. The health insurance thieves then get their false justifications made scot-free, and the end result is that we are once again argued into keeping a healthcare system that ensures people become ill, while the insurers take the public's money and run away with it. The distinction between profit and making a living may be a subtle difference, but it is still an important one. Everyone of course has to make a living, and no one wants to deny doctors that - even a luxurious living by the average person's standards. Saying that they have to make a profit is saying that they have to act so that their business expands and makes more money, instead of only breaking even on their expenses, which includes salary for the doctor and staff.

If we are ever to have the healthcare we need in this country, this is one of the ideas we will have to put to rest. socialized medicine doesn't mean that the doctors involved are required to live as poverty-stricken serfs, but making profits is for corporations and investors, and really doesn't have a place where people's health is on the line.

 :confused:

Nobody needs to make a profit, but they certainly have the RIGHT to. What about it does this assclown not get?
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2008, 02:19:50 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on May 17, 2008, 07:12:34 AM
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on May 17, 2008, 06:47:21 AM
It is only a necessity for doctors to the extent you want people to invest the huge amount of time and money it takes to become one, and to the extent you want to continue to sustain a Lotto-like personal injury civil justice system.  I don't believe the DUmmies have any sort of cogent approach on the first problem, and they love the second one since the American Trial Lawyers Association and its members are massive left-of-center donors. 

Great post!

But can you name one issue where the DUmmies DO have a cogent approach to a solution?  :-)

Well, no....   :-)

They certainly have some outright Leninist/Stalinist baby dictators in their ranks, a very few of them are nice enough as people but suffer from thinking with their emotions instead of their logic (assuming they have any); for instance, there are no doubt a very small number who are actually driven by compassion on the health care issue rather than what they see as a bonanza they can eventually chisel into (which is the position of the great majority of the li'l Commies).  Even the few driven mainly by sympathy and compassion, unfortunately, have absolutely no sound ideas on how their medical-care-as-a-public-utility could be established, remain viable, or deliver a standard of care acceptable to the patients.
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2008, 03:47:40 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on May 17, 2008, 08:49:05 AM
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Doctors have to make a LIVING, not a PROFIT. They are not the same. A living means they pay their expenses, take care of their bills, put food on their tables, raise their kids, etc. A profit means they make excess capital which can be reinvested somewhere.

What are they suppose to do when it's time to retire? Oh,  live off of that comfortable income that social security promises... yeah right. I really wish I could talk to some of these people in person just to see the expressions on their faces when a view simple questions are asked that will allow them to elaborate further on their points of view.


FlaGator, you'd be back to losing IQ points . . .

It's not like I have a lot to spare anymore...
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Re: "Profit" is not a necessity - a rant
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2008, 05:10:28 PM »
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If I were the ranting type, I'd go on an "EstimatedProphet is not a necessity" one. I'm more of a reader than a ranter though. LOL

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