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the president calls Baroque Obama out on negotiating with terrorists, which is exactly what his stated
policy of unconditional meetings with ahmadinejad is in reality, and Obama's response is to pretty much
change the subject, and then to toss a flat lie in there at the end. 

oh, well, at least the Big Emptiness that is barack obama didn't call it an example of "the old way of doing
things that I am here to change". :whatever:

there are some pretty good shots at obama's incredible sense of self importance in the white house
response.  the white house definitely got the better of obama in this exchange.


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ABC News' Ed O'Keefe Reports: The Obama campaign is taking issue with a comment President Bush made while speaking to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's statehood.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

In a statement, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., shot across the bow: "It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 6Oth anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel. Instead of tough talk and no action, we need to do what Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan did and use all elements of American power -- including tough, principled, and direct diplomacy - to pressure countries like Iran and Syria. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the President's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."

ABC News' White House troops point out that the President has made similar statements in the past and Bush did not specifically cite Obama by name, though he did reference Sen. William Borah's immortal reaction upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland and begun World War II, something he has not highlighted in the past.

"(The President) has said similar things before," a White House official told ABC News' Martha Raddatz. "But it is in reference to a number of people, think Carter, others who have engaged in this or suggested it."

White House spokesperson Dana Perino was asked if Bush's line was a slam against Obama and she insisted, "It is not."

"I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you. (:rotf:) That is not always true and it is not true in this case," Perino added, though the White House is keenly aware of how such statements might play during a heated political season and has steadfastly avoided commenting on the 2008 race.

In an ABC News interview with the President in April, Bush told Raddatz, "I've said the president's job is to solve these issues diplomatically first and foremost. But, of course options need to stay on the table."

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"I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you :rotf: :rotf:. Oh God I love that. Fits BO to a tee.

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"I understand that when you are running for office sometimes you think the world revolves around you :rotf: :rotf:. Oh God I love that. Fits BO to a tee.

yeah, the messiah seems to be reading and believing his own press clippings these days, doesn't he? :whatever:  and that comment certainly did hit him right where he squeaks at. :-)


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false political attack
What is that, exactly?  Um, if it's false, why worry?   :mental:

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But McCain countered that Obama’s approach to foreign policy is ripe for questioning.

“I think Barack Obama needs to sit down and explain why he wants to talk with a man who is the head of a government that is a state sponsor of terror, that is responsible for the killing of brave young Americans, who wants to wipe Israel off the map, denies the Holocaust. That is what I think that Senator Obama ought to explain to the American people,” he said while on a bus to the airport.

“It is a serious error on the part of Senator Obama that shows naiveté and inexperience and lack of judgment to say that he wants to sit down across the table from an individual who leads a country who says that Israel is a stinking corpse, that is dedicated to the extinction of Israel. My question is what does he want to talk about?”

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I always enjoy reading the british perspective of these kinds of issues.  this is from the BBC:

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“I think Barack Obama needs to sit down and explain why he wants to talk with a man who is the head of a government that is a state sponsor of terror, that is responsible for the killing of brave young Americans, who wants to wipe Israel off the map, denies the Holocaust. That is what I think that Senator Obama ought to explain to the American people,” he said while on a bus to the airport.

that is exactly the point, and mccain just rather adeptly painted obama into a corner.

iran is listed by the department of state as a state sponsor of terrorism.  negotiating with them in any way is de facto negotiating with terrorists.  his only way out of this predicament is to try to argue that they shouldn't be listed as sponsors of terror, and that if elected he would de-list them.  that would be an even bigger problem than the one he has now.

H5 to W
H5 to mccain

Baroque Obama's utter cluelessness on foreign policy really is obvious.*

*he's clueless on just about everything.  this one is just easy to spot. :-)


on edit : iran has been listed as a state sponsor of terrorism since 1984, so it's not like obama could argue that their being labeled as sponsors of terrorism is somehow a bush administration delusion.
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Any meeting with Iran, Syria, and their ilk will be nothing more than a propaganda piece for their leaders.  Wright and the UCC has already played him like a fiddle.
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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

I think he was referring to jimmy carter, tool of terrorists for a couple of decades now.

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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

I think he was referring to jimmy carter, tool of terrorists for a couple of decades now.
fixed :-)
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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

I think he was referring to jimmy carter, tool of terrorists for a couple of decades now.
fixed :-)

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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

I think he was referring to jimmy carter, broken tool of terrorists for a couple of decades now.
fixed :-)
re-fixed.   :-)
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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

I think he was referring to jimmy carter, tool of terrorists for a couple of decades now.

That is what I thought too.

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President Bush is definitely on to something, as he just pissed off Joe Biden:

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Biden: Bush's comments were 'bullshit'


Sen. Joe Biden, piling on to Democratic complaints about President Bush’s speech in Israel today:

“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”

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Is there anyone more idiotic than Biden? Didn't he say something about our attack on Afghanistan wasn't fair because we used an air force?

What a moran.  :loser:
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Dana Perino rejected Mr Obama's interpretation of the president's remarks, saying "there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president... thinks that we should not talk to".

"I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you," she added.



I like this gal Dana Perrino! but lessee who could the Pres have been talking about? only most of the Democratic members of the "cut n run" house! le't

I think he was referring to jimmy carter, tool of terrorists for a couple of decades now.

That is what I thought too.

it's actually quite revealing that obama thought that the president's remarks were directed at him.  maybe he even thinks that he is the messiah now, and everyone must be about him, HIM, HIM !!

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more dem reaction.  I snipped out the bits that have already been posted.  CAUTION:  this is an extreme
hyperbole zone. :whatever:  harry reid says something idiotic, which isn't surprising, since he's an idiot,
durbin agrees with appeasing terrorists, and teh rove even makes an appearance. :-)

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Democrats have interpreted the comments as an attack on Sen. Barack Obama, and Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that the president was out of line.

“He is the guy who has weakened us,” he said. “He has increased the number of terrorists in the world. It is his policies that have produced this vulnerability that the U.S. has. It’s his [own] intelligence community [that] has pointed this out, not me.”

Biden noted that Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have both suggested that the United States ought to find a way to talk more with its enemies.

"If he thinks this is appeasement, is he going to come back and fire his own cabinet?” Biden asked. “Is he going to fire Condi Rice?”

In a separate statement, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) said that Bush "is still playing the disgusting and dangerous political game Karl Rove perfected, which is insulting to every American and disrespectful to our ally Israel. George Bush should be making Israel secure, not slandering Barack Obama from the Knesset."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) also weighed in.

“Not surprisingly, the engineer of the worst foreign policy in our nation’s history has fired yet another reckless and reprehensible round," said Reid. "For the President to make this statement before the government of our closest ally as it celebrates a remarkable milestone demeans this historic moment with partisan politics."

The White House insists that Bush wasn’t referring specifically to Obama, an argument that Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) called "baloney."

"There is no escaping what the president is doing," said Durbin, who supports Obama. "It is an attack on Sen. Obama’s position that we should not be avoiding even those we disagree with when it comes to negotiations and diplomacy."

Durbin called Bush's remarks "unfair and really unfortunate."

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It's funny to see all the liberal talking heads on T.V. exploding over this comment, chastising Bush when he didn't even say Obama by name. It could have easily been directed at the Speaker of the House who is the one who actually went on a trip and met with a state sponsor of terrorism.

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Oh look at hoppin' Harry go!!!! Effin' moron.

And Turbin Durbin got his licks too I see.

Geez. We really need to flush D.C.

Bush needs to take the damn gloves off and expose the Dems for the asshats they really are. Hit 'em hard and let the public know how they have fomented terror and stood in the way of our troops and our own safety.
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It's funny to see all the liberal talking heads on T.V. exploding over this comment, chastising Bush when he didn't even say Obama by name. It could have easily been directed at the Speaker of the House who is the one who actually went on a trip and met with a state sponsor of terrorism.

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Oh look at hoppin' Harry go!!!! Effin' moron.

And Turbin Durbin got his licks too I see.

Geez. We really need to flush D.C.

Bush needs to take the damn gloves off and expose the Dems for the asshats they really are. Hit 'em hard and let the public know how they have fomented terror and stood in the way of our troops and our own safety.

W simply doesn't seem to feel the need to explain himself, or perhaps he doesn't want to have to deal with the MSM (which he clearly views with bottomless contempt) in order to do it.

must run in the family;  his dad was the same way.

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On Fox news right now, and they are talking about this with Brit Hume, Mort Kondracke, Mara Liasson and Charles Krauthammer. Mort and Mara were ripping on Bush, and got smacked down by Charles when he pointed out that Obama started this by attacking Bush in the debates over his foreign policy. This upset Mort who came back with a real weak response and got further schooled by Brit. Funny stuff.

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On Fox news right now, and they are talking about this with Brit Hume, Mort Kondracke, Mara Liasson and Charles Krauthammer. Mort and Mara were ripping on Bush, and got smacked down by Charles when he pointed out that Obama started this by attacking Bush in the debates over his foreign policy. This upset Mort who came back with a real weak response and got further schooled by Brit. Funny stuff.

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that was good.  more or less, K'hammer said  that it started off as an incorrect answer in a debate, and instead of admitting it the next day, he turned it into a policy that has now become a doctrine.

he will have to defend this from here until november.


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President Bush is definitely on to something, as he just pissed off Joe Biden:

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Biden: Bush's comments were 'bullshit'


Sen. Joe Biden, piling on to Democratic complaints about President Bush’s speech in Israel today:

“This is bullshit, this is malarkey. This is outrageous, for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, to sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement.”

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Is there anyone more idiotic than Biden? Didn't he say something about our attack on Afghanistan wasn't fair because we used an air force?

What a moran.  :loser:

And yet Bill Clinton and John " I Was in Vietnam" Kerry can go overseas and talk to anyone they damn well please and say anything they want and its like they had divine guidance.
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I heard the speech and Bush did not say Obama. He was referring to a group of people. Gees, they are so thin skinned.  ::)
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