http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002700294Oh my.
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
WI gives me that sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach.
It's that awful horrible feeling that Wisconsin represents a great rightwing corporate coup which serves as a harbinger for the rest of the country and probably the world.
I'm just sick to my stomach.
I simply can't stand to read the news each day that Walker is leading, gaining ground, etc.
This is so astounding considering the amount of damage he's done and will do, and how other states will fall victim as well because this was the test case.
franksolich is curious about something.
What damage has Scott Walker done Wisconsin?
TBF (15,582 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
1. Thanks for your concern -
Seriously, have you seen the protests in Greece and Europe? Where do you get this "great rightwing corporate coup" around the world? There is absolutely no evidence to back up that statement.
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
4. Well..
While it IS heartening to see people protesting, the coup is still a harbinger.. and it aint nuthin nice.
I did say PROBABLY the world, only because it's POSSIBLE that many people overseas are not quite
as shut down as we are here.. but it's hard to say. Corporatism and globalism go hand in hand.
TBF (15,582 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. Evidence?
HiPointDem (1,412 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
13. They're protesting the great corporate coup.
mmonk (46,485 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. I understand how you feel.
If Wisconsin can be made into another defacto southern state in practice, we are losing ground rapidly.
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
5. Thank you.
I know. I was thinking the same thing.
I owe a (23 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. :0
yes your concern is noted
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
6. Lol.
Thank you for noting my "concern" with a winky. Quite the euphemism for that complete sinking depressed feeling I have.
kentuck (61,208 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. The most progressive state in the union...
..may turn into the most regressive state in the union. It is up to the people of Wisconsin. I hope they are not too busy to notice what is happening?
Of course Wisconsin is a progessive state.
It's progressing towards freeing itself from over-government by the special interests, towards more liberty for the people.
On Wisconsin!
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. Re noticing.
I think the Wisconsin people are very aware and thoughtful.
But huge amounts of money are pouring in for Walker, and then there are all those nonstop ads... that's quite a juggernaut.
The Dems need money too. So where is it????
Send them ten bucks to help.
No, not "other people," but you.
kentuck (61,208 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
23. Why aren't they putting money into Wisconsin?
Perhaps they are trying to not magnify the race? Perhaps they are waiting until the last week to put in money?
If it is true that Walker is up by 9 points, then I would have to say that the people are not paying attention...
bupkus (88 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
9. I know that sinking feeling you have
I live in Chris Christie's New Jersey. He's backed by the same people who back Walker. They all are. Some people don't get it yet. They and their backers are insidious. They're like a tsunami coming. By the time you see it, it's too late.
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
12. Hmm..
I was shocked when NJ elected Christie.. but then I was shocked when Texas elected Dubya because I loved Ann Richards and thought she'd win. I'm such a hopeless optimist so when my hopes get dashed, I really feel it hard.
Anyway, still, perhaps there's still hope for NJ. Maybe Christie isn't all that popular any more???
ewagner (16,803 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
10. I understand Amanda...
every time i see the latest polls...watch the DNC "sit this one out"...I get very worried....and I live right in the middle of Wisconsin...
I've watched local county supervisors be successfully recalled becasue they voted for a county zoning ordinance and were accursed of implementing "U..N. Agenda 21"....I've watched the local tea party put flaming idiots on commissions and in aldermanic seats....it ain't pretty
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
11. I'm so sorry.
We expect this kind of thing in Texas, but Wisconsin with all those demos and protests and then the recall was such a beacon of hope for me. And then this.. my mind just thought you'd make it through and I needed that. And now this.. sigh.
Scuba (16,946 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
15. I'm also concerned that Walker may win, what with a 25 - 1 spending advantage...
... I highly doubt that the Republicans can hold all four Senate seats being contested in the recall. If we win just one of those seats, we'll have a Democratically-controlled Senate.
Walker may win, but eventually he'll be in jail. In the end, the People will overcome Walker and his masters.
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
17. That's interesting about the WI Senate.
I hope ya'll win and gain that advantage.
And yes, Walker should go to jail for sure!
kentuck (61,208 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
24. I remember when John Connolly spent a fortune running for President...
..and ended up with one electoral vote, I think it was? So money is an excuse, not the reason.
Duh.
John Connally never got an electoral vote in his life.
He did however get one delegate to the Republican National Convention the year he ran.
mazzarro (2,546 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
16. The Hurt Dems Do To Themselves Never Ceases To Amaze
There are times when I think that Democrats do more damage to themselves. It is sad to note that being aware of the date for the recall election, the state democratic party did not see it fit to find ways to make the selection of nominee for governor happen sooner and did not find a way of raising money that will be needed to run against Walker.
I don't know how much the state party has put into the efforts to raise funds for the election or how much the state party had reached out to the national party for support other than what was reported earlier this week. And this just barely two weeks to the recall election.
Why the Democratic party (state and national) should wait until now to start working together is still a mystery to me. Knowing that the rePIGs are going to throw a ton of money into the race and yet taking things so lackadaisical is the height of stupidity - IMO.
ananda (9,213 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
18. Money is indeed the key.
In addition, I wish Howard Dean were still in charge of the DNC. He's a fighter, and his 50 state strategy was fantastic.
I don't think he'd have left WI in the lurch.
By the way, whatever did happen to Harold Dean, or Dean Howard, or whatever his name was?
Anybody know what he's up to now?
AtomicKitten (38,163 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. Dem Governors Assoc have given WI $2 million for ad buys.
There was a time when that seemed like a wad, but against the Citizens United avalanche of funds pouring in for Walker, that $2 million seems like a drop in the bucket.
Scuba (16,946 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
21. This observer suggests that the Democratic Party ....
... may have been infiltrated by the right to an extent that our Party is now ineffective.
Vetting local party officials and candidates needs to be a priority for rank-and-file party members.
marble falls (266 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
32. And then after the vetting starts we can start right into the witch-burning ....
sounds kinda teabaggy/bachmannish/GOP-ey to me.
lunatica (22,152 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Well, lets work and hope for the best and prepare for the worst
At least try to think our way through and past the sinking pit in the stomach. Be prepared to face the unthinkable. After all the world won't end and eventually the tide will turn against them.
I think it already has. I believe Walker will lose one way or the other. Either he gets ousted or he ends up with a Democratic majority in the legislature and gets hogtied. If not then that's another set of circumstances we'll have to deal with. It also doesn't hurt to accept the fact that our country can change into something we won't recognize and don't want, so we have to change too in our fight for what's right.
AtomicKitten (38,163 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
20. I don't get why 39% of union households in WI still support Walker.
mmonk (46,485 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
26. The power of propaganda cannot be underestimated.
I know people in my state that are public employees that are voting with the new rightwing legislature and are going to vote for a Republican governor even though they are for cutting state jobs and benefits. I know people on Medicare and Social Security that are for Romney and the Ryan budget. Now that is power over mind. They are determined voters to screw themselves and it is mind boggling.
Ship of Fools (1,179 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
29. And along that line, sometimes I think that it is truly just.about.winning. Libruls are so reviled that even the most thoughtful of the right-wingers turn a blind eye to the FACTS. Very sad times, indeed.
Ananda, I feel the same depression.
TBF (15,582 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
33. "Family values" -
I have lots of family there. In the 70s when I was growing up the unions were stronger. They've been pushed out by the evangelicals imo. In the small towns especially the Koch propaganda is working.
undeterred (31,286 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
25. WI is going to kick Walker's ass.
I collected signatures for recalling Walker in November. In my neighborhood everyone I asked to sign signed the petition or had already signed except for three people. And I do not live in one of the political hotspots in Madison... in fact in the past there has been low turnout. So nobody here is undecided... everybody is going to turn out on June 5.
You can rest assured that even if we don't have the money to buy fancy advertising, the working class people of my neighborhood and every other neigborhood in Wisconsin are collectively going to kick Walker's sorry ass.
NorthCarolina (6,331 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
27. Apparently the DNC isn't all that concerned about it as they are not pumping any money into the race. Perhaps the Dems are ready to write off Wisconsin?
doc03 (12,012 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
28. If we get beat in Wisconsin, I think Obama willalso get beat in November. It is a gloomy picture for the country.
It'd be a great picture for the country, if the primitives get beat in Wisconsin.
ProfessionalLeftist (2,609 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
31. Exactly.
ProfessionalLeftist (2,609 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
30. This is why IMO it is imperative that the DNC get involved
Anyone who minimizes what a victory for Herr Walker in Wisconsin will mean for the rest of this country is blind. This, and the "Manager" "government" in Michigan are test cases. They get off with this shit and they'll be shoving in every state in the nation and in the White House.
NOBODY is in the street now, are they? And since they're not, going there AFTER it's too late will do little good and make the battle even that much harder to win.
Too bad for the primitives.
