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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2012, 06:02:52 PM »
1 of the comments from the Daily Mail's article on this, someone from Florida said "who cares, he's a damn good President". Can you believe that? an American with no idea what the Constitution says!

Yes I can.  We have plenty of them serving in government.

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2012, 06:05:03 PM »
Maybe he wasn't born at all.

I'm thinking Abby Normal here.

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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2012, 06:05:50 PM »
It will be interesting to see how this develops.  IF he's found to not be a natural born American everything he's done while president is null and void.  THAT should wake some people up!

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I don't think so.
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2012, 06:06:19 PM »
1 of the comments from the Daily Mail's article on this, someone from Florida said "who cares, he's a damn good President". Can you believe that? an American with no idea what the Constitution says!

You think that's bad, what about the ones that know better and don't care?  
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2012, 06:09:36 PM »
I don't think so.

I don't think so either, but he could be charged with fraud in what could surely be one of the biggest trials in history.

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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2012, 06:18:10 PM »
I don't think so.


If (or "since") Obama is not a natural born citizen, then no citizen has any right to vote for him.

If (or "since") he is not a natural born citizen, then no vote can cleanse his lack of qualification, and he can only be a usurper of the office.

If (or "since") he is not a natural born citizen, then NO bill written by congress can be signed into law, and no act by the Executive office, nor any one of the Government Organizations, can be legitimate. Under those terms, the Supreme Court cannot legitimately rule on a case as two persons on the Bench are not entitled to be there.  And Biden is not entitled to the office, as he was appointed to the ticket by Obama.

Obama would not even be entitled to impeachment, as it is reserved solely for those who are legitimately elected to the office  of President, as a means to cleanse that election due to wrongdoing while in Office.

Under such terms all three branches of government are entirely illegitmate -- a "Constitutional Crisis".

"Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down",  Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.


That said, I have to recognize the real problem here as being "political". The Constutiotn does not anywhere provide a method for the Supreme Court to act to remove, or suggest the removal of, the President for not being a natural born citizen.  And it is uncertain if Congress itself has that authority any longer, once it validated the results of the election.

The other "elephant" in the room, is that pretty much all members of our government are too afraid to do what is correct, because of Political Correctness and having a black man in office.


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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2012, 06:24:52 PM »
I think Obama has a personality disorder. Narcissistic Personality Disorder to be exact.

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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2012, 06:25:25 PM »

If (or "since") Obama is not a natural born citizen, then no citizen has any right to vote for him.

If (or "since") he is not a natural born citizen, then no vote can cleanse his lack of qualification, and he can only be a usurper of the office.

If (or "since") he is not a natural born citizen, then NO bill written by congress can be signed into law, and no act by the Executive office, nor any one of the Government Organizations, can be legitimate. Under those terms, the Supreme Court cannot legitimately rule on a case as two persons on the Bench are not entitled to be there.  And Biden is not entitled to the office, as he was appointed to the ticket by Obama.

Obama would not even be entitled to impeachment, as it is reserved solely for those who are legitimately elected to the office  of President, as a means to cleanse that election due to wrongdoing while in Office.

Under such terms all three branches of government are entirely illegitmate -- a "Constitutional Crisis".

"Obama Must Stand Up Now Or Step Down",  Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.


That said, I have to recognize the real problem here as being "political". The Constutiotn does not anywhere provide a method for the Supreme Court to act to remove, or suggest the removal of, the President for not being a natural born citizen.  And it is uncertain if Congress itself has that authority any longer, once it validated the results of the election.





Does Hitlery know about this?








I bet she does and is pushing the birthers anyway she can.....and she's probably so excited that she's wetting her pants. I bet it's taking all her and Bill have to just keep her in depends.
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2012, 06:29:25 PM »
Does Hitlery know about this?


I bet she does and is pushing the birthers anyway she can.....and she's probably so excited that she's wetting her pants. I bet it's taking all her and Bill have to just keep her in depends.

Considering half the original birthers, including Phil Berg, are Hillary Clinton supporters, I'm sure she does, but her opportunity for personal gain has been limited.

Then again Congress (the Senate) has shown they are aware of the qualifications for office, but willfully violated that to fraudulently promote John McCain... but that will just dig into a whole other ugly ****-storm that will get a lot of people irritated here .






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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2012, 07:54:40 PM »
I hope this has legs
It wont!
If you heard the guys from Breitbart on Hannity's radio show this evening .. Both they and Hannity were STILL saying that they believed The Kenyan was born in Hawaii and this was just an 'oversite', a mistake!

Funny that the 'mistake' wasn't .. Born in Texas or Florida or etc. etc.

The 'mistake' just happened to coincide with everything that has been known by the 'birthers' .. The Kenyan was BORN in KENYA!

I don't know much about the following but I've had it in my favorites for quite some time:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

These people DON'T want the truth to come out for the same reason that the courts wont give it credence .. RIOTS!
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2012, 08:13:10 PM »
I'm seeing the media do damage control.  Headlines are reading:  Did 1991 mistake spark 'birther' issue? 

Mistake?  I don't really think it's a mistake.  But that's just my two cents.
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2012, 08:13:33 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2012, 08:14:30 PM »
Found this on my step-son's Facebook page:

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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2012, 08:18:32 PM »
I think his whole life is a "composite", just like his girlfriend in his book.  He is a work of fiction.

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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2012, 08:40:05 PM »
Pipe dreams, born in Hawaii of a US citizen mother and a noncitizen father (To whom the mother was not married IIRC) is still a natural born citizen.  Not to say that I doubt there are papers all over the place that people are sitting on where he declared himself a Muslim, an Indonesian, or a Kenyan for convenience at the time, but if he just lied rather than formally renounced his US citizenship or elected a non-US citizenship once he was an adult, it means nothing legally.

And an improper President does not render the other two branches illegitimate.
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2012, 08:40:23 PM »


It does not matter where Obama was born.

Obama could be born dressed in swaddling cloths, in a manger, on the steps of the Supreme Court, and witnessed by all Nine, and he still would not be a natural born citizen of the United States.

He was born with allegiance to Britain through his father, that makes him incapable of being a natural born citizen.

Obama *WANTS* us to focus on the birth Certificate!  His original site, "fight the smears",  works to distort the Constitutional requirement is "citizen" , or  "native citizen" (sound a little like "natural born citizen"), but none of these are the same as "natural born citizen", and he knows it.




It is far more than being merely a citizen at birth, which can come about from statute. 

Natural born citizen, in the natural law language of the Declaration of Independence, is a "self evident Truth",  where the citizenship is self evident, because the offspring cannot possibly be a citizen of anywhere else, being born with no other allegiance --- born in a country of parents who were its citizens.


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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2012, 10:01:27 PM »
Pipe dreams, born in Hawaii of a US citizen mother and a noncitizen father (To whom the mother was not married IIRC) is still a natural born citizen.  Not to say that I doubt there are papers all over the place that people are sitting on where he declared himself a Muslim, an Indonesian, or a Kenyan for convenience at the time, but if he just lied rather than formally renounced his US citizenship or elected a non-US citizenship once he was an adult, it means nothing legally.


Since "natural born citizen" is an at-birth status, it is as yet unestablished by any legal opinion at all, that this status can be lost at some later time by having forfeit one's citizenship. One's at-birth status does not change as a result of later events. However, I strongly believe that the Court would, with little or no reservation, uphold the idea that one must still also be a citizen to hold the office of President.

In truth, the only statements on the matter of "natural born citizen", from the U.S. Supreme Court, over its entire history, would strongly undermine the above highlighted statement, that it is mere birth on U.S. soil.  Also the  validity of the marriage (which was ended by legal process) is entirely irrelevant to natural born status -- which is a function of Natural Law, not Positive (man-made) Law. Being outside of man-made (Positive) law undoubtedly had a good deal to do with the choice of the phrase for the office President, putting its qualifications outside Congressional finagling with a legal definition (Separation of Powers).

In Minor vs. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875) Justice Waite clearly indicated the definition of natural born citizen in the below passage:

  • The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

This same definition of natural born citizen was again cited Justice Gray in the majority opinion for  U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), and at no time was it in any way undermined. Additionally the dissenting minority opinion in Wong Kim Ark, written by C.J. Fuller, also affirmed this definition involving birth on this country's soil to parents who were its citizens.


There are other statements throughout American history supporting this definition as well:

  • “What better way to insure attachment to the country than to require the President to have his American citizenship through his American Father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and be removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return later in life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.”
    - Charles Pinckney (Continental Congress (1777-78 and 1784-87) and S.C. state legislature (1779-80, 1786-89, and 1792-96) (signer of the Constitution of the United States)

    "All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians."
    (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862)).

    “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
    (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866)) - Rep. John A. Bingham

    “As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.”
    Representative Bingham


While there are references in American history to only one citizen parent establishing natural born citizen offspring (as in the first quote above), provided there was birth on U.S. soil, this is not entirely accurate. This came at a time in American history when the wife's citizenship was deemed to follow that of the father, naturalized by presumption, due to patriarchal beliefs.

And an improper President does not render the other two branches illegitimate.

It's not just "improper", but rather more accurately "unqualified" that is the concern here.  The powerful positive mandate of Article II indicates that "No Person" but a natural born citizen is qualified to hold the office of President.

However, in certain cases, your statement may be correct. For instance, in Supreme Courts where there are no appointees on the Court made by that illegitimate President, then there would be no ruling that would become illegitimate. Similarly,  even if those Court contain appointees by an unqualified President, there is a chance those votes would not serve as a deciding factor in the Court opinion.  Yet if their vote(s) were able to change the outcome, this would also make those case decisions illegitimate.
 
And while no bill can be signed into law by an unqualified President, I suppose some bills might be able to be considered law if they received a 2/3 majority Congress.  However, if there is no legitimate President in Congress, then there is no balance of powers, and no bill has the opportunity to be vetoed, nor signed into law, and the two branches of government are acting as if government is in a legitimate status, when it is not.  This would result in an enormous expanse of ground for conflict.

Beyond these considerations, Dr. Edwin Vieira does a fairly thorough job of considering the state of "Constitutional Crisis" resulting from an unqualified Oval Occupant, in "Obama Must Stand Up Now or Step Down".




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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2012, 10:02:13 PM »
Since this "mistake" is floating around, has anyone been able to explain the Connecticut SSN?
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2012, 10:09:59 PM »
Since this "mistake" is floating around, has anyone been able to explain the Connecticut SSN?
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2012, 10:22:58 PM »
Since this "mistake" is floating around, has anyone been able to explain the Connecticut SSN?

I've not yet heard any reasonable explanation about the SSNs from anyone.



Incidentally, if anyone is interested in the argument about McCain's eligibility, and the fraud involved in promoting his candidacy:

John McCain: A Case of Senate Fraud (PDF)

Of note, McCain was not even made a CITIZEN of the United States until nearly a full year after his birth, 25 days shy of a year, by statute 8U.S.C. §1403 enacted by Congress.

However it is 'curious" to note that even the non-binding Senate Resolution SR511, that fraudulently promoted McCain as a natural born citizen, involved consideration of BOTH the citizenship of his parents, AND claim he was born on U.S. soil.



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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2012, 11:15:16 PM »
Now, why was this not dug up before?
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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2012, 02:02:50 AM »
But wasn't he adopted by his Indonesian stepfather (thus becoming Barry Sotero) so that the place of his birth is moot? Whether he wanted to lose his citizenship (or have dual citizenship which I also thought made him ineligible) it was what his legal parent chose to do in his "best interest". As his mother, it was her choice. It may suck but that's the way it goes.

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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2012, 03:38:23 AM »
I hope this has legs
Unfortunately, not much chance. Most people could care less, and you know the media will never push it.

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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2012, 06:04:45 AM »
I wonder...........IF he was killed/died will it then come out about him?  And if it did would his laws and stuff be booted?






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Re: The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet:
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2012, 09:18:03 AM »

It does not matter where Obama was born.

Obama could be born dressed in swaddling cloths, in a manger, on the steps of the Supreme Court, and witnessed by all Nine, and he still would not be a natural born citizen of the United States.

He was born with allegiance to Britain through his father, that makes him incapable of being a natural born citizen.

Obama *WANTS* us to focus on the birth Certificate!  His original site, "fight the smears",  works to distort the Constitutional requirement is "citizen" , or  "native citizen" (sound a little like "natural born citizen"), but none of these are the same as "natural born citizen", and he knows it.




It is far more than being merely a citizen at birth, which can come about from statute. 

Natural born citizen, in the natural law language of the Declaration of Independence, is a "self evident Truth",  where the citizenship is self evident, because the offspring cannot possibly be a citizen of anywhere else, being born with no other allegiance --- born in a country of parents who were its citizens.



How's that Yellowstone thing going?

Trip, unlike your last extended appearance here, I'm not going to waste a lot of explanation on your deaf ears as to why your legalistic-sounding BS is still total BS, but it's obvious to anyone who is a real lawyer that it's still total BS.
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