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Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« on: May 17, 2012, 06:03:11 AM »
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TB patient charged and jailed in CA for not taking medicine

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TB Patient Charged in Calif for Not Taking Meds

Authorities in California took the unusual step of jailing and charging a tuberculosis patient who they say refused to take medication to keep his disease from becoming contagious.

Health officials said Armando Rodriguez, 34, of Stockton has active tuberculosis, which can include coughing up blood or sputum and can spread through the air.

"He is noncompliant with his tuberculosis treatment and because of this there is a danger that he may become contagious and/or develop multidrug resistant tuberculosis," Ginger Wick, nursing director for San Joaquin County, said in a letter requesting a warrant for Rodriguez's arrest.

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Rodriguez was arrested Tuesday and is expected to be arraigned Thursday on two counts of refusing to comply with a tuberculosis order to be at home at certain times and make appointments to take his medication.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/tuberculsis-patient-jailed-charged-california-16360920#.T7QQvlJGAX4


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All of the posts so far are for locking this guy up.
Unfortunately (and I really hate myself for this, it makes me feel a little dirty) I agree with them. After dealing with people in the military that were positive reactors that refused to take their meds I know how much a PITA it can be. Our CO ordered one person to the brig until he could manage to figure out how to take his medication. TB is no joke and drug resistant TB is a nightmare. Those sneaking in from the south are bringing it with them in record numbers.
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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2012, 07:05:25 AM »
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All of the posts so far are for locking this guy up.
Unfortunately (and I really hate myself for this, it makes me feel a little dirty) I agree with them. After dealing with people in the military that were positive reactors that refused to take their meds I know how much a PITA it can be. Our CO ordered one person to the brig until he could manage to figure out how to take his medication. TB is no joke and drug resistant TB is a nightmare. Those sneaking in from the south are bringing it with them in record numbers.

Well, AR, I'm with you on this.  Lock 'em up.  My health and, more importantly, the health of my wife and daughter, is far more important than some guy's "rights" to be among decent and hardworking (and healthy) people.
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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2012, 07:16:39 AM »
Is there something awful and traumatic about taking the meds?  Why would someone deliberately not do it? 

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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 07:40:12 AM »
Is there something awful and traumatic about taking the meds?  Why would someone deliberately not do it? 
They make you feel like crap. That was the main complaint I got.
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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 08:16:38 AM »
Well, AR, I'm with you on this.  Lock 'em up.  My health and, more importantly, the health of my wife and daughter, is far more important than some guy's "rights" to be among decent and hardworking (and healthy) people.

AIDS too is highly contagious; one wonders what the primitives would think about people with AIDS but still engaging in sex being locked up.

(note, for lurking primitives with reading-comprehension problems: franksolich is not advocating locking up people with AIDS, but rather more pointing out an inconsistency in the way the primitives think.)
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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 08:28:27 AM »
Is there something awful and traumatic about taking the meds?  Why would someone deliberately not do it? 

Some of the meds are quite toxic to the liver and have serious side effects. People take them because the alternative is death.

AIDS too is highly contagious; one wonders what the primitives would think about people with AIDS but still engaging in sex being locked up.

(note, for lurking primitives with reading-comprehension problems: franksolich is not advocating locking up people with AIDS, but rather more pointing out an inconsistency in the way the primitives think.)

HIV is contagious, yes, but it takes a concious choice for someone to engage in the behavior that leads to contracting that disease (assuming their partner is honest about having it. I'm all for prosecuting those who knowingly spread HIV to unknowing victims for attempted murder). TB isn't the same since there's not really a concious choice to breathe (long-term, at least) and you might not know if someone has it til they cough blood.

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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 08:38:25 AM »
HIV is contagious, yes, but it takes a concious choice for someone to engage in the behavior that leads to contracting that disease (assuming their partner is honest about having it. I'm all for prosecuting those who knowingly spread HIV to unknowing victims for attempted murder). TB isn't the same since there's not really a concious choice to breathe (long-term, at least) and you might not know if someone has it til they cough blood.

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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2012, 08:48:49 AM »
They make you feel like crap. That was the main complaint I got.

When my mom had a lung biopsy they thought she had TB. It was a huge deal, she had to be isolated. She started the meds and they make you feel terrible.  Everyday she was sick.  After the biopsy came back negative weeks later she was able to stop.  She said it was the worst experience in her life.

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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 08:59:01 AM »
Some of the meds are quite toxic to the liver and have serious side effects. People take them because the alternative is death.

Well, what is it that they used to do, for tuberculosis?

Tuberculosis of course was a major killer during the last half of the nineteenth century, into the first half of the twentieth; in fact, I do believe it was the leading cause of death some years.

This was all before my own time, but as a little kid, since the parents were in the hospital business, whenever we went places (South Dakota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and somesuch), once in a while we came across very large buildings, which must've housed hundreds, that by then were vacant, their windows boarded up.

These were not slum areas, but usually buildings in a remote rustic pastoral area.

It was explained to me that these had been tuberculosis hospitals, but they weren't needed any more.

One of my grandmothers as a very young girl, contacted tuberculosis and was sent to a spa, or resort, where each tuberculosis patient lived in his or her own little private cottage, or at most shared it with one other patient--in a remote rustic but peacefully pastoral area of northwestern Pennsylvania.  She was there for eight years, and recovered, living to an old age.

One of my aunts shortly after becoming a registered nurse, contacted tuberculosis, and was "sent away" to somewhere in New Jersey.  This was the mid- to late-1940s.  She was there for two years, and recovered, living to an old age.

Perhaps there are non-pharmaceutical means to cure tuberculosis?  I dunno, I'm honestly ignorant about the matter.
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Re: Primitives want to throw man in jail for being sick
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 09:01:35 AM »
TB is far more contagious than HIV. You can't contract HIV from being in the same room as a patient or passing one on the street.

However, it is interesting to note how DU is filled with RW talking point sympathizers.   :fuelfire:
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