primitives squabble about racism, gayism

[CactusCarlos]

Tell me... Do you think that undergoing conversion therapy could convert you to being homosexual?

It is quite common for men to engage in homosexual behavior in prison.

[The Night Owl]

It is quite common for men to engage in homosexual behavior in prison.

And your point is?

[CactusCarlos]

It is quite common for men to engage in homosexual behavior in prison.

And your point is?

You asked if conversion therapy could convert someone to being a homosexual.  I gave you an example of a form of conversion therapy where it happens.  Not the sort of therapy that many would seek willingly, but you get the jist.

[BlueStateSaint]

It is quite common for men to engage in homosexual behavior in prison.

And your point is?

You asked if conversion therapy could convert someone to being a homosexual.  I gave you an example of a form of conversion therapy where it happens.  Not the sort of therapy that many would seek willingly, but you get the jist.

H5 to CC!

[CactusCarlos]

H5 to CC!

Thank ya kindly! 

[Chris_]

Please explain to me what a member of my gender can do for me, that I cannot do for myself. And she certainly wouldn't be able to impregnate me. 

So, there you have it. You would rather not have sex than have sex with a member of the same sex. Your sexuality, like that of most persons, is not a matter of preference but a matter of orientation.

Let me give you an analogy...

If you were to say that you prefer nectarines over peaches, I could reasonably assume that you like both but prefer one. If you were to say that you prefer having sex with members of the opposite sex, I could reasonably assume that you like to have sex with members of both sexes but prefer one... but I would probably be wrong. The fact of the matter is most people want sexual relations with members of only one of sexes because sexuality is not a preference but an orientation.

Hey now, you're saying that there's no choice involved when one deviates from heterosexuality and thus there is equal likelihood that you might be gay or hetero. If that's true, why are there not equal numbers of gay and heteros in the population?

I'll tell you why, it's because we are talking about a sexual behavior (homosexuality) not a physiological design (heterosexuality). Therefore, sexual orientation may deviate from the norm (the norm being defined as hetero in case you had any doubt). Go back and re-read the posts of Undies, Carlos, and Dandi. When you have a good understanding of what was said, then come back and we'll chat. 

[InfamousAndy]

Any sexuality is a choice.  I choose what I put my 'organ' in.  I can choose to put it into nothing.  What would that make me?  Asexual?  Until you can prove that freewill does not exist, you cannot prove that you can choose whom (or what) you have sex with.

[CactusCarlos]

Hey now, you're saying that there's no choice involved when one deviates from heterosexuality and thus there is equal likelihood that you might be gay or hetero. If that's true, why are there not equal numbers of gay and heteros in the population?

I'll tell you why, it's because we are talking about a sexual behavior (homosexuality) not a physiological design (heterosexuality). Therefore, sexual orientation may deviate from the norm (the norm being defined as hetero in case you had any doubt). Go back and re-read the posts of Undies, Carlos, and Dandi. When you have a good understanding of what was said, then come back and we'll chat. 

and H5

Your elegance in word is only exceeded by your beauty.

[CactusCarlos]

Any sexuality is a choice.  I choose what I put my 'organ' in.  I can choose to put it into nothing.  What would that make me? 

Lonely on a Saturday night.

[The Night Owl]

Any sexuality is a choice.  I choose what I put my 'organ' in.  I can choose to put it into nothing.  What would that make me?  Asexual?  Until you can prove that freewill does not exist, you cannot prove that you can choose whom (or what) you have sex with.

As I wrote earlier, sexual orientation is not manifested only in behavior. Sexual orientation is manifested in behavior and attraction.
 
Do you honestly believe that you choose which sex you're attracted to? Assuming that you're a straight male, could you choose to be attracted to another male? I couldn't. As a straight male, I can't imagine any sort of mental conditioning which would cause me to be attracted to a member of the same sex.

Let me put it this way... If the only thing keeping you from being attracted to men is a choice you make, then guess what... you are probably a gay man... or perhaps a bisexual man... not that there is anything wrong with that.

[The Night Owl]

Hey now, you're saying that there's no choice involved when one deviates from heterosexuality and thus there is equal likelihood that you might be gay or hetero. If that's true, why are there not equal numbers of gay and heteros in the population?

Huh? So, using your reasoning, one can conclude that because redheads do not choose to have red hair, then redheads should exist in equal proportion to people with other hair colors. That makes no sense whatsoever.

[The Night Owl]

You asked if conversion therapy could convert someone to being a homosexual.  I gave you an example of a form of conversion therapy where it happens.  Not the sort of therapy that many would seek willingly, but you get the jist.

Getting raped in prison does not make the person who is raped gay.

[franksolich]

Oh my.

Oh oh my.

And my stomach hurts.

This thread looks like a good candidate for the "Fight Club," but I'll let DixieBelle decide whether or not it should go there; after all we're a team.  My 50% of this "team" says, yeah, put it there, but I'll pass the buck to her.

[InfamousAndy]

Any sexuality is a choice.  I choose what I put my 'organ' in.  I can choose to put it into nothing.  What would that make me?  Asexual?  Until you can prove that freewill does not exist, you cannot prove that you can choose whom (or what) you have sex with.

As I wrote earlier, sexual orientation is not manifested only in behavior. Sexual orientation is manifested in behavior and attraction.
 
Do you honestly believe that you choose which sex you're attracted to? Assuming that you're a straight male, could you choose to be attracted to another male? I couldn't. As a straight male, I can't imagine any sort of mental conditioning which would cause me to be attracted to a member of the same sex.

Let me put it this way... If the only thing keeping you from being attracted to men is a choice you make, then guess what... you are probably a gay man... or perhaps a bisexual man... not that there is anything wrong with that.

I can still have sex with people I am not attacted too.  If I exclusively have sex with the same gender, what does that make me?  If I exclusively have sex with the opposite gender, what does that make me?  What arouses me is irrelevant.  One can arouse a human being with all kinds of non-gender oriented stimuli.  You aren't homosexual unless you have sex with someone of the same gender, in my book.  If you go your whole life without crossing that line, then you are not homosexual.

[Chris_]

Hey now, you're saying that there's no choice involved when one deviates from heterosexuality and thus there is equal likelihood that you might be gay or hetero. If that's true, why are there not equal numbers of gay and heteros in the population?

Huh? So, using your reasoning, one can conclude that because redheads do not choose to have red hair, then redheads should exist in equal proportion to people with other hair colors. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Don't be a fool. There is no hair color that enhances survival of the species.

[The Night Owl]

What arouses me is irrelevant.  One can arouse a human being with all kinds of non-gender oriented stimuli.  You aren't homosexual unless you have sex with someone of the same gender, in my book.  If you go your whole life without crossing that line, then you are not homosexual.

Dude. If you are a man and you think that men look hot, then you are a gay man... or perhaps a bisexual man.

[Rebel]

What arouses me is irrelevant.  One can arouse a human being with all kinds of non-gender oriented stimuli.  You aren't homosexual unless you have sex with someone of the same gender, in my book.  If you go your whole life without crossing that line, then you are not homosexual.

Dude. If you are a man and you think that men look hot, then you are a gay man... or perhaps bisexual.

..and a freak of nature. Sorry, it is what it is.

[The Night Owl]

..and a freak of nature. Sorry, it is what it is.

Not really. Homosexuality and bisexuality is quite common in humans.

[Rebel]

..and a freak of nature. Sorry, it is what it is.

Not really. Homosexuality and bisexuality is quite common in humans.

Um, no, it's not. If it were, we wouldn't have 6 billion people inhabiting this ball of rock. Besides, not all homosexuals or bisexuals were born that way. I'll concede many were, but not all.

[InfamousAndy]

What I meant, was using things like sound and smell, which are not associated with people at all.  Human arousal is not bound by any one site.  Likewise, the actions of a human being are not bound by that arousal.  One can choose to ignore urges and instincts.

[USA4ME]

I don't care what someone claims about the term "sexual preference," it is an accurate description and I will continue to use it because I know that it's an accurate description.

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[The Night Owl]

What I meant, was using things like sound and smell, which are not associated with people at all.  Human arousal is not bound by any one site.  Likewise, the actions of a human being are not bound by that arousal.  One can choose to ignore urges and instincts.

That humans can ignore urges goes without saying, but those urges are, whether humans ignore them or not, part of human sexuality.

[Lord Undies]

What I meant, was using things like sound and smell, which are not associated with people at all.  Human arousal is not bound by any one site.  Likewise, the actions of a human being are not bound by that arousal.  One can choose to ignore urges and instincts.

That humans can ignore urges goes without saying, but those urges are, whether humans ignore them or not, part of human sexuality.

Yes, just like cannibalism is part of the human digestive system.

[CactusCarlos]

Not really. Homosexuality and bisexuality is quite common in humans.

How common?  Give us a number.

[The Night Owl]

How common?  Give us a number.

Because of the stigma attached to homosexuality in the United States, determining the size of the gay population in the US is difficult. Given the difficulty in determining the size of the gay population in the US, I think that the best estimate is somewhere between the highest figure, which is 12%, and the lowest figure, which is about 2%. So, I'm guessing that 7% of the US population is gay.