primitives squabble about racism, gayism

[FlaGator]

Wow... just wow. Professional victims arguing over who is the most victimized.

A great existence if you can get it.

You're guaranteed to end up on the Springer/Montel/Judge Judy TV circuit.

[Chris_]

I don't know if homosexuality is a choice or not but I tend to think it's not. (from my limited readings) You however, perhaps ironicly, are talking out of your a$$. You can't define something as a "natural direction" if in the same definition you claim it has no "direction" whatsoever. 

Direction inplies movement toward a specific goal. "Natural direction" even more so. 

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but what I'm saying is that the term "sexual preference" wrongly implies that people choose to be attracted to either the opposite sex, the same sex, or both sexes.

TNO.... if I can name one case that contradicts what you just said, then are you wrong?

[The Night Owl]

TNO.... if I can name one case that contradicts what you just said, then are you wrong?

One case? I don't know. If the case is the rule, then perhaps I'm wrong. If the case is the exception, then perhaps I'm not wrong.

[Chris_]

TNO.... if I can name one case that contradicts what you just said, then are you wrong?

One case? I don't know. If the case is the rule, then perhaps I'm wrong. If the case is the exception, then perhaps I'm not wrong.

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa. And what of bi-sexuals, doesn't that prove that there is a preference involved or at least proof that there is no physiological reason why you wouldn't be able to have sex with a man or woman?

[dandi]

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

I don't know enough about the sexuality of animals to know if it is comparable to the sexuality of humans. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is manifested in attraction as well as behavior.

Those two statements are in opposition, since unless we're talking about conditioned behaviors or autonomic responses, behavior is predicated on preference.

[Chris_]

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

I don't know enough about the sexuality of animals to know if it is comparable to the sexuality of humans. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is manifested in attraction as well as behavior.

Those two statements are in opposition, since unless we're talking about conditioned behaviors or autonomic responses, behavior is predicated on preference.

That's a perfect response, I knew there was a way to 'splain it in psycho-babble.

[dandi]

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

I don't know enough about the sexuality of animals to know if it is comparable to the sexuality of humans. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is manifested in attraction as well as behavior.

Those two statements are in opposition, since unless we're talking about conditioned behaviors or autonomic responses, behavior is predicated on preference.

That's a perfect response, I knew there was a way to 'splain it in psycho-babble.

Babble is what I do best.

[Chris_]

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

I don't know enough about the sexuality of animals to know if it is comparable to the sexuality of humans. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is manifested in attraction as well as behavior.

Those two statements are in opposition, since unless we're talking about conditioned behaviors or autonomic responses, behavior is predicated on preference.

That's a perfect response, I knew there was a way to 'splain it in psycho-babble.

Babble is what I do best.

Actually that is my specialty.... I spend a lot of time talking about nothing. It pays the bills though. 

[CactusCarlos]

People, it may pain you to hear this, but some people aren't attracted to the opposite sex. They're attracted to the same sex. It happens. Even in the animal world. I'm not saying it's not freakish, but it happens. Homosexuals are, well, freaks of nature, but other than that "most" just want to live their lives. I have no problem with it. I believe in civil unions. Marriage? **** no. I mean HELL no. That's a religious institution and has been from the beginning of time. What they did in California? Is bullshit. Gays already HAD all rights. They decided to push this to force their viewpoint on everyone else. They're trying their damndest to alienate the few conservatives that believe they should be allowed to be together. I.e, ME.

I consider myself one of those fundies they hate so much at DU.  I'm well aware that there are people not attracted to the opposite sex and personally what you do in your own bedroom with a concenting adult is your business.  It should remain your business.   It's not for me, and I see no benefit whatsoever to myself or society to support the same-sex marriage of others. 

[The Night Owl]

Those two statements are in opposition, since unless we're talking about conditioned behaviors or autonomic responses, behavior is predicated on preference.

Well, some behaviors are predicated on preference, but other behaviors are predicated on physiological factors.

If sexuality were nothing more than a preference, then heterosexuals would settle for having sex with members of the same sex if no members of the opposite sex were available to them and homosexuals would settle for having sex with members of the opposite sex if no members of the same sex were available to them.

Would you have sex with a member of the same sex if no members of the opposite sex were available to you?

 

[The Night Owl]

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa.

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

Tell me... Do you think that undergoing conversion therapy could convert you to being homosexual?

[Chris_]

Those two statements are in opposition, since unless we're talking about conditioned behaviors or autonomic responses, behavior is predicated on preference.

Well, some behaviors are predicated on preference, but other behaviors are predicated on physiological factors.

If sexuality were nothing more than a preference, then heterosexuals would settle for having sex with members of the same sex if no members of the opposite sex were available to them and homosexuals would settle for having sex with members of the opposite sex if no members of the same sex were available to them.

Would you have sex with a member of the same sex if no members of the opposite sex were available to you?

 

Please explain to me what a member of my gender can do for me, that I cannot do for myself. And she certainly wouldn't be able to impregnate me. 

[Rebel]

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa.

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

How about shock therapy? 

[Rebel]

Please explain to me what a member of my gender can do for me, that I cannot do for myself.

How creative can I get? 

[Chris_]

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa.

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

Tell me... Do you think that undergoing conversion therapy could convert you to being homosexual?

I'll answer that when you can apply your theory to bi-sexuality. You know, the part of the quote you snipped.

[Chris_]

Please explain to me what a member of my gender can do for me, that I cannot do for myself.

How creative can I get? 

m-m-m-m-m...   

[Lord Undies]

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa.

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

Tell me... Do you think that undergoing conversion therapy could convert you to being homosexual?

Conversion is how homosexuality happens, but I wouldn't call it therapy.  It is more of an unintentional surrender of id through conditioning and taking advantage of existing character weakness.  There is even less scientific evidence that it cannot be reversed.  We know there is no scientific evidence to support the propaganda that homosexuality is normal and just an accident of birth.

[Flame]

OK, here's my thoughts.  Some people are attracted to the same sex.  Fine.  You either act on it, or you don't.  Either way, it's YOUR business, and YOU reap whatever consequences there might be.  

I'm attracted to sweets.  I either act on it, or I don't, and I accept the consequences.

I don't get special consideration because it's not fair that those who just "naturally" like food that's better for them are healthy.


Be gay, or no.  I really don't care.  But don't tell me that it makes life full of butterflies and flowers if homosexuality was as acceptable as heterosexual.  It won't.  It isn't.  It never will be.

[Chris_]

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa.

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

Tell me... Do you think that undergoing conversion therapy could convert you to being homosexual?

Conversion is how homosexuality happens, but I wouldn't call it therapy.  It is more of an unintentional surrender of id through conditioning and taking advantage of existing character weakness.  There is even less scientific evidence that it cannot be reversed.  We know there is no scientific evidence to support the propaganda that homosexuality is normal and just an accident of birth.

oh YESHHHHH!!!!! Hi five!

[DixieBelle]

I think there are many cases, to tell the truth. I'm talking about people who are homosexual and then turn heterosexual or vice versa.

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

Tell me... Do you think that undergoing conversion therapy could convert you to being homosexual?

Conversion is how homosexuality happens, but I wouldn't call it therapy.  It is more of an unintentional surrender of id through conditioning and taking advantage of existing character weakness.  There is even less scientific evidence that it cannot be reversed.  We know there is no scientific evidence to support the propaganda that homosexuality is normal and just an accident of birth.

H5!!!

They are just trying to normalize their deviation. That's what it's always been about. It's payback for when homosexuals were jailed and shunned years ago. Many gay rights activists will even admit it.

[The Night Owl]

Conversion is how homosexuality happens, but I wouldn't call it therapy.  It is more of an unintentional surrender of id through conditioning and taking advantage of existing character weakness.  There is even less scientific evidence that it cannot be reversed.  We know there is no scientific evidence to support the propaganda that homosexuality is normal and just an accident of birth.

Quackery.

[The Night Owl]

I'll answer that when you can apply your theory to bi-sexuality. You know, the part of the quote you snipped.

What is there to explain? Some people are sexually oriented in such a way that makes them attracted to both sexes.

[Lord Undies]

Conversion is how homosexuality happens, but I wouldn't call it therapy.  It is more of an unintentional surrender of id through conditioning and taking advantage of existing character weakness.  There is even less scientific evidence that it cannot be reversed.  We know there is no scientific evidence to support the propaganda that homosexuality is normal and just an accident of birth.

Quackery.

Says the King of Ducking.   

[The Night Owl]

Please explain to me what a member of my gender can do for me, that I cannot do for myself. And she certainly wouldn't be able to impregnate me. 

So, there you have it. You would rather not have sex than have sex with a member of the same sex. Your sexuality, like that of most persons, is not a matter of preference but a matter of orientation.

Let me give you an analogy...

If you were to say that you prefer nectarines over peaches, I could reasonably assume that you like both but prefer one. If you were to say that you prefer having sex with members of the opposite sex, I could reasonably assume that you like to have sex with members of both sexes but prefer one... but I would probably be wrong. The fact of the matter is most people want sexual relations with members of only one of sexes because sexuality is not a preference but an orientation.

[CactusCarlos]

There is very little scientific evidence that conversion therapy works.

There is very little scientific evidence that Alcoholics Anonymous works, yet it thrives as a method of treatment.

That smoking pile of rubble on the floor?  That's your point shot down in flames.