primitives squabble about racism, gayism

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3285977

Oh my.

The crooked tale primitive:

The Straight Story  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 08:45 PM
Original message

Black University Employee Fired for Stating Homosexuality Not the Same as Colour
   
TOLEDO, May 14, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Crystal Dixon, associate vice president of human resources at the University of Toledo, was first suspended then fired after writing a letter to a local newspaper. In it she responded to a previous article released by the paper that compared the discrimination of homosexuals to that of African-Americans. Dixon, an African-American, challenged the civil rights comparison of race with homosexual behavior, saying that science has never found a genetic cause or DNA for homosexuality. She said many gay people have overcome unwanted homosexual feelings as evidenced by the growing population of PFOX and ex-gay organizations.

Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays (PFOX) says the University of Toledo's firing of administrator Crystal Dixon for speaking out about PFOX and the ex-gay community is an act of bigotry.

"African-Americans like Dixon have the right to defend their race without being subjected to punishment," said Regina Griggs, Executive Director of PFOX. Dixon was responding to an article by Toledo Free Press Editor Michael Miller, who had compared gay rights to the African-American civil rights movement. Miller also wrote that three women he had dated subsequently declared themselves gay.

The University of Toledo reportedly has a "Safe Places Program" designating space for "lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning individuals." According to Lloyd Jacobs, president of the university, there is a Safe Places sticker on his door of the president's office. "Mr. Jacobs needs to add ex-gays and African-Americans to that list of campus 'safe spaces," said Griggs. "His firing of Dixon creates an unsafe environment for minorities."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/may/08051405.html

"African-Americans like Dixon have the right to defend their race without being subjected to punishment," said Regina Griggs

Ummmm....It wasn't the race defending part that caused the issue.

Jeebus..

angstlessk  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 08:54 PM
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1. if she had not been in human resources just some job in the cafeteria fine, but she has access to personel records and if she has that type of attitude I don't think she needs to work in that job. That would be like working in a welfare office and writting op eds about how poor people are lazy bums! Not good for your resume, dear!

Hidey  (81 posts) Wed May-14-08 08:56 PM
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2. She's got a point..
   
If there's no scientific evidence that homosexuality is anything more than a behavior, then it would be insulting to blacks to compare their plight to that of gays.

I know it's not going to be a popular point, and she's going to get barbecued for it.. But the fact remains that behaviors are choices and can be influenced. Race is not.

cynatnite  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #2

3. You think homosexuality is a choice?
   
Are you kidding me?

One of my best friends is gay and there is NO doubt whatsoever that he was born gay. It was not a choice for him. He's not ashamed of it like he used to be, but it doesn't change the fact that he is gay by design and not by choice.

Hidey  (81 posts) Wed May-14-08 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #3

7. I never said that..
   
What I said was, from a policy perspective, there's no evidence that this isn't a behavior.

This proof does exist for Race, however,

Her point is a valid one. Why punish her for telling the truth?

And I think it's horribly insulting to blacks.

Bluebear  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed May-14-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #7

8. What coriolis said downthread.

coriolis  Donating Member  (608 posts) Wed May-14-08 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #7

9. **** off, asshole
   
ES&D

MNBrewer  (143 posts) Wed May-14-08 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #7

13. There's proof for race?
   
Race is an artificial construct, it's not a discrete character, it's a continuous variable.

There is no evidence that races exist.

It's a medium-sized bonfire, but then and again, it's still a pretty new bonfire.

It gets pretty acrimonious; the primitives probably being subconsciously upset that they're about to field the weakest candidate for the presidency since Walter Mundane or George McGovern, or because they dined on non-fibrous cuisine all day long.

[delilahmused]

Oh now, this whole article is damn funny. Blacks, women, gays...the left is twisting themselves in knots these days! Ah the joys of identity politics!

"African-Americans like Dixon have the right to defend their race without being subjected to punishment," said Regina Griggs, Executive Director of PFOX. Dixon was responding to an article by Toledo Free Press Editor Michael Miller, who had compared gay rights to the African-American civil rights movement. Miller also wrote that three women he had dated subsequently declared themselves gay.

Wow...what a charmer he must be!

The University of Toledo reportedly has a "Safe Places Program" designating space for "lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning individuals." According to Lloyd Jacobs, president of the university, there is a Safe Places sticker on his door of the president's office. "Mr. Jacobs needs to add ex-gays and African-Americans to that list of campus 'safe spaces," said Griggs. "His firing of Dixon creates an unsafe environment for minorities."

Questioning inidividuals? What the heck is that? You can't just be bi? I mean how do you solve that dilemma...let's go have sex so I can see if I like it?

Cindie

[VivisMom]

Oh now, this whole article is damn funny. Blacks, women, gays...the left is twisting themselves in knots these days! Ah the joys of identity politics!

"African-Americans like Dixon have the right to defend their race without being subjected to punishment," said Regina Griggs, Executive Director of PFOX. Dixon was responding to an article by Toledo Free Press Editor Michael Miller, who had compared gay rights to the African-American civil rights movement. Miller also wrote that three women he had dated subsequently declared themselves gay.

Wow...what a charmer he must be!

You took the words out of my mouth.  H5!

[JohnnyReb]

Oh now, this whole article is damn funny. Blacks, women, gays...the left is twisting themselves in knots these days! Ah the joys of identity politics!

"African-Americans like Dixon have the right to defend their race without being subjected to punishment," said Regina Griggs, Executive Director of PFOX. Dixon was responding to an article by Toledo Free Press Editor Michael Miller, who had compared gay rights to the African-American civil rights movement. Miller also wrote that three women he had dated subsequently declared themselves gay.

Wow...what a charmer he must be!

You took the words out of my mouth.  H5!

I may not have been the biggest stud in town but at least I didn't drive any women to lesbianism ........although I did date a lesbian for awhile right after my divorce, I knew what she was going in ..........or not going in, if you get my drift......

[TheSarge]

[JohnnyReb]

I've come to the conclusion that "Normal" is the new minority and should be afforded safe areas.

[VivisMom]

Oh now, this whole article is damn funny. Blacks, women, gays...the left is twisting themselves in knots these days! Ah the joys of identity politics!

"African-Americans like Dixon have the right to defend their race without being subjected to punishment," said Regina Griggs, Executive Director of PFOX. Dixon was responding to an article by Toledo Free Press Editor Michael Miller, who had compared gay rights to the African-American civil rights movement. Miller also wrote that three women he had dated subsequently declared themselves gay.

Wow...what a charmer he must be!

You took the words out of my mouth.  H5!

I may not have been the biggest stud in town but at least I didn't drive any women to lesbianism ........although I did date a lesbian for awhile right after my divorce, I knew what she was going in ..........or not going in, if you get my drift......

 That was so bad I HAD to laugh! 

[USA4ME]

How crazy can you get.  There's no comparing race to sexual preference.

Let's say you got 3 men sitting on the subway train all dressed in similar business attire; one is a straight white guy, the other is a white twinkie, and the other is a straight black guy.  Some nut gets on the train and says he's going to shoot anyone who's black and/or a twinkie.   The twinkie can act straight, the black guy isn't gonna turn white.  No comparison, DUmmies.

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[Chris_]

How crazy can you get.  There's no comparing race to sexual preference.

Let's say you got 3 men sitting on the subway train all dressed in similar business attire; one is a straight white guy, the other is a white twinkie, and the other is a straight black guy.  Some nut gets on the train and says he's going to shoot anyone who's black and/or a twinkie.   The twinkie can act straight, the black guy isn't gonna turn white.  No comparison, DUmmies.

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The gay guy will have shoes that match his shirt.

[Chris_]

[Depends on the size of the gun.

You owe me a keyboard....

doc

[The Night Owl]

How crazy can you get.  There's no comparing race to sexual preference.

Let's say you got 3 men sitting on the subway train all dressed in similar business attire; one is a straight white guy, the other is a white twinkie, and the other is a straight black guy.  Some nut gets on the train and says he's going to shoot anyone who's black and/or a twinkie.   The twinkie can act straight, the black guy isn't gonna turn white.  No comparison, DUmmies.

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Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

[DixieBelle]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Race and gender are not easily hidden. Sexual preference need never be discussed or mentioned when conducting yourself in public or the workplace. A woman or minority doesn't have that luxury when in public or the workplace. I really wish these asshats would quit riding on the coattails of people who fought for civil rights. It's damned insulting.

[Chris_]

How crazy can you get.  There's no comparing race to sexual preference.

Let's say you got 3 men sitting on the subway train all dressed in similar business attire; one is a straight white guy, the other is a white twinkie, and the other is a straight black guy.  Some nut gets on the train and says he's going to shoot anyone who's black and/or a twinkie.   The twinkie can act straight, the black guy isn't gonna turn white.  No comparison, DUmmies.

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Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

Gay is all about pursuing and having sex with as many same sex partners as possible. That explains you.

[CactusCarlos]

How crazy can you get.  There's no comparing race to sexual preference.

Let's say you got 3 men sitting on the subway train all dressed in similar business attire; one is a straight white guy, the other is a white twinkie, and the other is a straight black guy.  Some nut gets on the train and says he's going to shoot anyone who's black and/or a twinkie.   The twinkie can act straight, the black guy isn't gonna turn white.  No comparison, DUmmies.

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Heterosexuality and homosexuality are not preferences. They are orientations.

Define orientation.

[Rebel]

Gay is all about pursuing and having sex with as many same sex partners as possible. That explains you.

Not all gay people are like that. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.....a good analogy. All gays aren't like the ones in the San Fran festival. 

[The Night Owl]

Define orientation.

The natural direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same sex, the opposite sex, or both sexes.

[CactusCarlos]

Define orientation.

The natural direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same sex, the opposite sex, or both sexes.

Natural according to whom?  Animals engage in same-sex behavior, so there's nothing wrong with humans doing it, is that what you're saying?

[The Night Owl]

Natural according to whom?  Animals engage in same-sex behavior, so there's nothing wrong with humans doing it, is that what you're saying?

I don't know enough about the sexuality of animals to know if it is comparable to the sexuality of humans. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is manifested in attraction as well as behavior.

[ReardenSteel]

Define orientation.

The natural direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same sex, the opposite sex, or both sexes.

I don't know if homosexuality is a choice or not but I tend to think it's not. (from my limited readings) You however, perhaps ironicly, are talking out of your a$$. You can't define something as a "natural direction" if in the same definition you claim it has no "direction" whatsoever. 

Direction inplies movement toward a specific goal. "Natural direction" even more so. 

[Rebel]

People, it may pain you to hear this, but some people aren't attracted to the opposite sex. They're attracted to the same sex. It happens. Even in the animal world. I'm not saying it's not freakish, but it happens. Homosexuals are, well, freaks of nature, but other than that "most" just want to live their lives. I have no problem with it. I believe in civil unions. Marriage? **** no. I mean HELL no. That's a religious institution and has been from the beginning of time. What they did in California? Is bullshit. Gays already HAD all rights. They decided to push this to force their viewpoint on everyone else. They're trying their damndest to alienate the few conservatives that believe they should be allowed to be together. I.e, ME.

[ReardenSteel]

People, it may pain you to hear this, but some people aren't attracted to the opposite sex. They're attracted to the same sex. It happens. Even in the animal world. I'm not saying it's not freakish, but it happens. Homosexuals are, well, freaks of nature, but other than that "most" just want to live their lives. I have no problem with it. I believe in civil unions. Marriage? **** no. I mean HELL no. That's a religious institution and has been from the beginning of time. What they did in California? Is bullshit. Gays already HAD all rights. They decided to push this to force their viewpoint on everyone else. They're trying their damndest to alienate the few conservatives that believe they should be allowed to be together. I.e, ME.

H5. Well said.

I prefer "defect" to "freaks" fwiw. LOL Nature is not perfect and who would want it to be anyway? People are born w/o sight, w/o hearing, with 11 toes, with mental defects and so on and so on. But first and formost, they are people. And all people are entitled to the same rights (not "special" rights) and deserve respect and dignity. That is, until they do something, of their own volition, that deserves otherwise. (like rob a bank or stare at my woman in a bar)

 

[PatriotGame]

Natural according to whom?  Animals engage in same-sex behavior, so there's nothing wrong with humans doing it, is that what you're saying?

I don't know enough about the sexuality of animals to know if it is comparable to the sexuality of humans. Also, keep in mind that sexuality is manifested in attraction as well as behavior.

Look down at your hand, see that opposing thumb?
There is a reason for that - do you know why?

[The Night Owl]

I don't know if homosexuality is a choice or not but I tend to think it's not. (from my limited readings) You however, perhaps ironicly, are talking out of your a$$. You can't define something as a "natural direction" if in the same definition you claim it has no "direction" whatsoever. 

Direction inplies movement toward a specific goal. "Natural direction" even more so. 

I have no idea what you're trying to say, but what I'm saying is that the term "sexual preference" wrongly implies that people choose to be attracted to either the opposite sex, the same sex, or both sexes.

[FlaGator]

Wow... just wow. Professional victims arguing over who is the most victimized.

[BlueStateSaint]

Wow... just wow. Professional victims arguing over who is the most victimized.

A great existence if you can get it.