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How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« on: May 12, 2012, 06:07:32 PM »
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Der Spiegel: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same

The two groups appear to be diametrically opposed, but a deeper look reveals they have a great deal in common. The totalitarian worldview has many manifestations.

Their extremism and the absolutist nature of their ideas are comparable. Miliopoulos says that such groups seek to capitalize on people's fears. For Pro-NRW, that effort manifests itself in the way the party equates Islam with Islamism -- religion with ideology.

Their own ideology, however, is seen as the absolute truth, another characteristic that Pro-NRW shares with the Salafists. No doubts and no differentiations are allowed. Both ideologies are rooted in an extreme simplification of reality, allowing them to easily decide who is right and who is wrong. Nuance would only endanger their simple truths.

"Totalitarian thought is rooted in the willingness to promote one's own opinion with violence if necessary," Miliopoulos says. The Salafists made clear in Bonn, for example, that they are prepared to fight for what they see as the infallibility of their beliefs. And not just with words, but with rocks, sticks and knives if necessary.

In the final analysis, extremists such as those from Pro-NRW and the Salafists are united in their aspiration to do away with democracy and the freedoms it guarantees.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-similarities-between-right-wing-extremists-and-islamists-a-832294.html

Good to see that some in Germany get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002680189

How is any of that different from how the left operates?

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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2012, 06:16:00 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on May 12, 2012, 06:07:32 PM
How is any of that different from how the left operates?

I agree.  This ...

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"Totalitarian thought is rooted in the willingness to promote one's own opinion with violence if necessary"

... is much more in tune historically with how the left operates.

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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2012, 06:22:05 PM »
So, to make sure we are all on the same page here - Der Spiegel makes the claim that conservatives operate mostly on fearmongering, and they do so by comparing them to Islamic terrorists.... Scaring the bejesus out of anyone stupid enough to believe this claim.

There needs to be a corollary to Godwin's law that addresses those who attempt to 'win' a discussion by bringing up "Islamic Terrorism" the same way some bring up Hitler & the Nazis to boost a losing argument.  
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 06:27:17 PM »
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2012, 08:29:09 PM »
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Both ideologies are rooted in an extreme simplification of reality, allowing them to easily decide who is right and who is wrong. Nuance would only endanger their simple truths.

You know, if they had any clue what depth and "nuance" is included in basic theology, let alone advanced theology, it would be much easier for them to keep their feet, ankles, shins, knees and thighs out of their mouths.

The depressing thing is that so many people have so little knowledge by now that it's easy to get away with saying stupid things.   :thatsright:
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2012, 08:42:54 PM »
Fearmongering?

Who screamed "the Republicans want to take away womens rights"?

Who screamed "Republicans want to beat up gay people"?

I can go on!
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2012, 08:45:59 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on May 12, 2012, 08:42:54 PM
Fearmongering?

Who screamed "the Republicans want to take away womens rights"?

Who screamed "Republicans want to beat up gay people"?

I can go on!
They do it every four years like clockwork.  "The GOP wants to take away Social Security" has been a reliable vote-getter for the Democrat Party for decades.
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2012, 08:47:39 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on May 12, 2012, 08:42:54 PM
Fearmongering?

Who screamed "the Republicans want to take away womens rights"?

Who screamed "Republicans want to beat up gay people"?

I can go on!
Paul Ryan Pushing grandma in a wheelchair over a cliff.
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2012, 08:54:52 PM »
Silly OP. What a loser.  :loser:
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John Adams warned in a letter, “Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet, that did not commit suicide.”

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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2012, 08:58:08 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on May 12, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
Paul Ryan Pushing grandma in a wheelchair over a cliff.

They confuse Ryan with the OWies.
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 09:12:45 PM »
I'm just baffled by this...
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The two groups appear to be diametrically opposed,
So, this makes them the same? Are you on crack??
Stupid DUmpmonkey.
Go pound sand.

The stupidity sometimes astounds me, then I consider the source.
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Then-Chief Justice John Marshall observed, “Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos.”

John Adams warned in a letter, “Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet, that did not commit suicide.”

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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2012, 09:35:47 PM »
Quote from: chris_ on May 12, 2012, 08:45:59 PM
They do it every four years like clockwork.  "The GOP wants to take away Social Security" has been a reliable vote-getter for the Democrat Party for decades.

And the old standby "throwing granny" off a train, cliff etc.
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Re: How Right-Wing Extremists and Islamists Are the Same
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2012, 09:25:50 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on May 12, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
I agree.  This ...

... is much more in tune historically with how the left operates.

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Yep. All one has to do to debunk this latest liberal projection is to examine Tea Party rallies versus OWS rallies. One is peaceful, neat and tidy (Tea Party), while the other is violent (needing "rape free zones") and leaves behind mountains of trash and waste. It takes some kind of very evil character flaw to be able to lie in the face of facts like that lib does.
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