Another large 'dieting' campfire in whch Nads receives a slapdown.

[dane]

The campfire itself

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=633097

Some snark from Nads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=642367

nadinbrzezinski (104,592 posts)   179. Social science is not well, science
They are quite different in both method and research.
Logic fail...
Have a good life.
Bye.

The attempt to inform/educate, with slapdown. It's rather long, but displays the patience DUmmies have with the all-knowing expert on, well, everything. 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=643135
eridani (34,524 posts)   191. I'm well aware of real science, given that I have a doctorate in biochemistry
That seems to be the problem here. I've spent my entire adult career doing research, writing articles, working on various commercial problems and having my work constantly shredded (and improved) by co-workers and reviewers. I've done a good bit of shredding myself. I'm starting to realize that few people on your generic discussion boards will react to citations of scientific work that way, preferring instead to read the conclusion and assume that everyone in the thread absolutely must agree with it because it comes from an Official Source.
Here's a clue--you post a link and I will actually read the article and evaluate the methodology and come to an opinion as to whether the data supports the conclusions, and whether the conclusions of the article have any logical relationship to the point the person citing it was trying to make.
Instead of analysis of what articles say, all I've gotten from you is that the normal scientific evaluation process is bad, and that everyone should just look at conclusions in scientific articles and accept them. That's one of the reasons why election integrity is such an uphill struggle--too many people think that if the machine said so, it has to be right.
Two more shots at rationality here
1. In what way is a study on dietary regimen adherence (NOT weight loss) with 86% male subjects relevant to the real world, where the majority of dieters are female and have far more extensive histories of dieting than men typically do?
2. Why is a study in which weight and other physiological parameters measured once at the beginning of the study and once at the end just as good as a study where regular measurements of all parameters are taken at frequent intervals throughout the study?
You don't want to even try, then I'll give up too.

Do you suppose DUmmie Eridani actually received the 'iggy' award?

[franksolich]

I haven't had coffee yet, and so nadin is pissing me off.

[Skul]

Just cracks me up when Nads tries to dismiss the OP from their own thread.
Nads, you're a moron. 

[AprilRazz]

It's one excuse after another with nads and her weight. I am a dumpy slob but it isn't my fault.

[franksolich]

It's one excuse after another with nads and her weight. I am a dumpy slob but it isn't my fault.

You know, one would "see" nadin in an entirely different light if she had, for example, the personality and spirit of any of the women of conservativecave; her physical blobs and blemishes would be minimized, or even invisible, if she were sweet of temperament and mellow of nature.

The eye "takes in" more than what it physically sees.

In this case, it's an exact match, nadin's physical appearance and nadin's attitude about things; pretty ugly.

[Kyle Ricky]

That fat hideous troll nadin knows nothing about weight loss, she is nothing more than a ignorant moron.

[Gina]

he scrooooled her 

[GOBUCKS]

The crazy bald dwarf was really shaken up by her photo spread!

She's furiously attacking everyone in sight and arguing how hers is the ideal physique we should strive to attain.

She's getting nuttier and fatter by the day.

Also once you reach a certain level, the goal s not to be thin and svelte, but to lose and maintain 30% of body mass index. Which is why me and my doctor are happy as can be.

Yup, nutcase nadin has reached that ideal basketball shape.

And all poor old Chief Abbott ever hears is , "Feed me, Seymour, feed me!"

[Gina]

Also once you reach a certain level, the goal s not to be thin and svelte, but to lose and maintain 30% of body mass index. Which is why me and my doctor are happy as can be.

BMI ranges
Your BMI is just a number; if you have nothing to compare it to and no idea what "normal" should be, it's meaningless. Therefore, in 1998, the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute published a BMI guide in its "Clinical Guidelines on the Identification, Evaluation, and Treatment of Overweight and Obesity in Adults." It identified five BMI ranges, including underweight (BMI less than 18.5), normal weight (BMI 20-25), overweight (BMI 25-30), obese (BMI 30-35) and morbidly obese (BMI 35+). These ranges are still the standard today.

am I reading the BMI differently than she is? 

[AllosaursRus]

It's one excuse after another with nads and her weight. I am a dumpy slob but it isn't my fault.

And she's ugly, too! Not just externally, either!

am I reading the BMI differently than she is? 

No, she is the exception to the rule, doncha know! NadaBrain bein' of superior intelligence and stature, is exempt! Just ask her!

[GOBUCKS]

am I reading the BMI differently than she is? 

Well, her BMI would appear to be in the neighborhood of 50, so if she lost 30% she'd get down to the 35 threshold of "morbidly obese", instead of her current "walking timebomb" level.

But as she snottily points out to her fellow DUmpmonkeys her BMI of 50 is just great for her, and anyone slimmer is probably suffering from an eating disorder.

[Rebel]

30 percent? The hell is she smoking?

[obumazombie]

You know, one would "see" nadin in an entirely different light if she had, for example, the personality and spirit of any of the women of conservativecave; her physical blobs and blemishes would be minimized, or even invisible, if she were sweet of temperament and mellow of nature.

The eye "takes in" more than what it physically sees.

In this case, it's an exact match, nadin's physical appearance and nadin's attitude about things; pretty ugly.

I would see her in a different light if she wasn't blocking all of it.

[Skul]

I would see her in a different light if she wasn't blocking all of it.

                                         

[VivisMom]

The crazy bald dwarf was really shaken up by her photo spread!

How did I miss this????

[67 Rover]

The crazy bald dwarf was really shaken up by her photo spread!

She's furiously attacking everyone in sight and arguing how hers is the ideal physique we should strive to attain.

She's getting nuttier and fatter by the day.

Yup, nutcase nadin has reached that ideal basketball shape.

And all poor old Chief Abbott ever hears is , "Feed me, Seymour, feed me!"

You do have to admit that she is less prone to injury as a result of a fall.

[obumazombie]

Excellent reference to "Little Shop of Horrors" by GOBUCKS !

[GOBUCKS]

You do have to admit that she is less prone to injury as a result of a fall.

And she's so thoroughly inflated, she has no problem with wrinkles.

[delilahmused]

eridani (34,524 posts)   191. I'm well aware of real science, given that I have a doctorate in biochemistry
That seems to be the problem here. I've spent my entire adult career doing research, writing articles, working on various commercial problems and having my work constantly shredded (and improved) by co-workers and reviewers. I've done a good bit of shredding myself. I'm starting to realize that few people on your generic discussion boards will react to citations of scientific work that way, preferring instead to read the conclusion and assume that everyone in the thread absolutely must agree with it because it comes from an Official Source.
Here's a clue--you post a link and I will actually read the article and evaluate the methodology and come to an opinion as to whether the data supports the conclusions, and whether the conclusions of the article have any logical relationship to the point the person citing it was trying to make.
Instead of analysis of what articles say, all I've gotten from you is that the normal scientific evaluation process is bad, and that everyone should just look at conclusions in scientific articles and accept them. That's one of the reasons why election integrity is such an uphill struggle--too many people think that if the machine said so, it has to be right.
Two more shots at rationality here
1. In what way is a study on dietary regimen adherence (NOT weight loss) with 86% male subjects relevant to the real world, where the majority of dieters are female and have far more extensive histories of dieting than men typically do?
2. Why is a study in which weight and other physiological parameters measured once at the beginning of the study and once at the end just as good as a study where regular measurements of all parameters are taken at frequent intervals throughout the study?
You don't want to even try, then I'll give up too.

Too bad the left (and a good portion of the scientific community who should know better) wouldn't apply this same criteria with global warming.

Cindie

[njpines]

You do have to admit that she is less prone to injury as a result of a fall.

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down . . .  

[obumazombie]

Weebles wobble but they don't fall down . . . 

Good one !

[Airwolf]

Taking advice on dieting from Nads is like getting shooting lessons from Barney Fife.

[obumazombie]

Taking advice on dieting from Nads is like getting shooting lessons from Barney Fife.

He only has one bullet, so he has to make it count.

[Kyle Ricky]

He only has one bullet, so he has to make it count.

That is when he can find it.

[GOBUCKS]

Taking advice on dieting from Nads is like getting shooting lessons from Barney Fife.

Sounds like a trending item on Twitter.

#that's like taking diet advice from nadin

You're asking stevenumbers how to score chicks?
#that's like taking diet advice from nadin