Iverglas throws a hissy fit over CA legal AR-15's

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‘Bullet Button’ Used To Get Around California Gun Laws
Bearing in mind that it would be more accurate to replace "get around" with "follow the law to the letter"...

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/01/bullet-button-used-to-get-around-california-gun-laws/

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) — California has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. But one wouldn’t know that going to the firing range these days. AR-15s and AK-47s are the must-have guns of choice. How can that be? Every time California tightens up the assault weapons ban, the gun industry finds a way around it. The latest example involves a tiny device.

John Largaespada loves his AR-15 and goes to the range every week to fire it. And he’s got plenty of company. “There is usually like a 30 minute to an hour wait for rifle lanes,” he said. That’s because the most popular guns at the range these days are semi-automatic rifles. In a state with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, how is it these military-style guns are legal?

Brian Normandy is an instructor at Jackson Arms. “As long as we don’t have a detachable magazine in it, it’s actually a legal firearm,” Normandy said. Other states allow people to use their finger to pop out the magazine and quickly reload. It is called a detachable magazine, which is illegal in California.

The intent is to slow down the process of reloading the weapon. But many target shooters don’t like the reloading hassle. “For me to use this on the range, I would have to open up the receiver and top load it,” said Normandy. To get around this, gun manufacturers are selling firearms to Californians with what is called a “bullet button.”

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The article is a bit misleading in that detachable magazines are perfectly legal in California as long as they're not for a weapon defined under California law as an "assault weapon". Later in the article the term "assault rifle" is misused time after time...no surprise there. In any case, kudos to clever entrepreneurs who are legally satisfying a market demand!
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iverglas (37,986 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
28. prove or retract

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Last edited Wed May 2, 2012, 01:51 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
You can't prove your false statement, because it is false. So I suggest you just retract, now.

It is a false statement about an elected Democrat, potentially damaging to the Democratic Party, posted at Democratic Underground. Quelle surprise: in the Guns forum.

But take your best shot, if you like.


btw -- I find it amusing that a large majority of regular posters in this forum know as well as I do that your statement is false, but every time it is made (and trust me, that's been a lot of times), I am the one who says so ...

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37. If I may

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"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
--U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein Associated Press 11/18/93

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban,
picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,
"I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

iverglas
43. apparently you can't

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The statement was:

Senator Feinstein
Wants a total ban on all firearms, she has said as much.


Copying and pasting doesn't do it.

Make your argument if you wish.

Socialist Steve Dawes and Proud2B need to hear this.

iverglas
46. sure I can

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Now maybe I am a little slow. Can you explain to me, given that statement how Dianne Feinstein does not want to ban all firearms?


Because I, you, and every Democrat in the US knows that she doesn't. How's that?

Can you explain to me how what you quoted, and your question, substantiates the claim made?


Dianne Feinstein as quoted by AP 11/18/93

You didn't copy and paste? Really? You read the AP report for yourself, and saw the context in which the statement was made, and what it was about? Please explain it for us, or give us a link to the news item.


I really was hoping you'd address the other misrepresented quotation. Won't you do that?

iverglas
50. spit those mealies out of your mouth and stand up straight

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You are claiming to have substantiated this statement:

Senator Feinstein
Wants a total ban on all firearms, she has said as much.

made in a post that a jury voted 6-0 to hide, before you posted, because it is a LIE, a lie told about an elected Democrat, at Democratic Underground.

I have no onus here. You are claiming that the statement is true. You prove that.

Do you deny that she said that? If you can show it is false I will happily apologize. If you can show it is taken out of context I will grudgingly apologize.

I don't give a flying **** what you will do, and I have no job to do here. Prove your claim. Or not, and let it stand as the false claim it is. Whatever.

Glaug-Eldare (92 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
51. You keep repeating this,

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but the two quotes in #37 make it plain as white bread. If those two don't satisfy you, and you refuse to explain why they don't, what do you really want us to do? If you've already determined that no evidence can possibly exist, why are you asking for evidence?

iverglas
52. yeah, I've repeated it about 200 times at Democratic Underground

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Why in the **** should I have to do it again?

Why should anyone be able to come to this site and lie about elected Democrats and think they can get away with it?

NEITHER ONE of the quotations of things said by Dianne Feinstein prove that she WANTS TO BAN ALL GUNS.

Not on the ****ing face of them alone. That is NOT WHAT THEY SAY. Not even without anybody patiently explaining (to a bunch of people who quite possibly already know) what they DO say.

What do I want you to do? As I said, I don't give a flying **** what any of you do.

Except when somebody comes to Democratic Underground and posts a lie about an elected Democrat. I expect people not to do that. I like to think that everybody at Democratic Underground finds that unacceptable. I'm wrong, of course, but sometimes I like to think these things anyway.

Hoyt
22. Trying to get around laws is. That's what banks, the rich, etc., do.

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You have to specify every dang thing in a law or some fool wanting to carry a slightly more "lethal" weapon than the next guy will find some friggin way around it. Gun lovers and bankers will never adhere to the spirit of the law, they'll always try to find some way around it. Same for manufacturers, marketers, gun shops, etc.

You DUmb ****.

Laws are not made to tell you what's legally permitted. Laws define illegal actions. If there is no laws against something, they it's OK to do it.

You backwards ****.

Hoyt
23. So how many bullets do you think you need for self-defense, if that is what you will use gun for?

Liberal gun grabbers is a good use.

[Texacon]

 

I don't understand iverglas posts at all.  It seems, on one hand, he is arguing that Feinstein wants to ban.  On the other he seems to be saying she doesn't want to ban.

Crazy stuff ...

If iverglas is saying she doesn't want a full on ban, what the hell is wrong with his reading comprehension?!

KC

[Tucker]

I don't understand iverglas posts at all.  It seems, on one hand, he is arguing that Feinstein wants to ban.  On the other he seems to be saying she doesn't want to ban.

Crazy stuff ...

If iverglas is saying she doesn't want a full on ban, what the hell is wrong with his reading comprehension?!

KC

First off. he's a she. A disbarred, Socialist lawyer in Canada.

To put it mildly, she's a patronizing, condescending bitch.

[franksolich]

First off. he's a she. A disbarred, Socialist lawyer in Canada.

To put it mildly, she's a patronizing, condescending bitch.

Uh huh.

[Texacon]

First off. he's a she. A disbarred, Socialist lawyer in Canada.

To put it mildly, she's a patronizing, condescending bitch.

Now that is an interesting tidbit to ruminate on.

KC

[Skul]

It's easier to follow what Nads says, than try to understand that Iverass primative.
Teh stoopid is strong, in that one.

[AprilRazz]

It's easier to follow what Nads says, than try to understand that Iverass primative.
Teh stoopid is strong, in that one.

But like nads she is so much smarter than everyone else.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I can see how she got disbarred, after such an exhibition of relentlessly stupid contradictions of fact.

[JohnnyReb]

Hoyt
23. So how many bullets do you think you need for self-defense, if that is what you will use gun for?

Until he's dead or until he weighs so much he can't move.

[Mike220]

Only a leftist can claim that someones own, quoted words is a lie.

No wonder the bitch isn't a lawyer anymore. How the hell did she make it though law school?

[FiddyBeowulf]

Hoyt
23. So how many bullets do you think you need for self-defense, if that is what you will use gun for?

Hoyt,
Why is it any of your ****ing business?  

[GOBUCKS]

Hoyt
23. So how many bullets do you think you need for self-defense, if that is what you will use gun for?

That always identifies a DUmmy.
 
"Bullets" are harmless unless you have a hell of a slingshot.

DUmpmonkeys will never understand that.

[67 Rover]

That always identifies a DUmmy.
 
"Bullets" are harmless unless you have a hell of a slingshot.

DUmpmonkeys will never understand that.

Reminds me of that classic photo of an Iraqi woman holding two rounds of 7.62 ammo and claiming they were fired at her house.  Priceless!

[JohnnyReb]

Reminds me of that classic photo of an Iraqi woman holding two rounds of 7.62 ammo and claiming they were fired at her house.  Priceless!

  I remember that. I bet the genius photog/reporter brought them from home.

[AllosaursRus]

I'd like to know why a condescending bitch from Kanada has a damn thing to say about politics in America?

How 'bout a six pack of shut the **** up ya ****in' foreigner! Ain't none 'o yo ****in' business who says what south of your border!

[Tucker]

It's easier to follow what Nads says, than try to understand that Iverass primative.
Teh stoopid is strong, in that one.

Iverglas has been on my top 10 DOTY every year that I have participated in the nominations. That includes our old home. I didn't nominate her last year simply because I forgot.

She pretty much confines herself to the gungeon.

She has to be paying The Skimmer big buck to keep from getting TSed. She's crossed the TS line so many times that it has become obscure.

[BlueStateSaint]

I'd like to know why a condescending bitch from Kanada has a damn thing to say about politics in America?

How 'bout a six pack of shut the **** up ya ****in' foreigner! Ain't none 'o yo ****in' business who says what south of your border!

As long as it's served with 20 rounds of 5.56x45!

[Airwolf]

Kanadians love to talk about how we should run our country when it comes to guns. Not to mention a lot if other countries do to. Yet we are safer here then anyplace else.

[J. M. Pyne]

I've wondered why we have to put up with Iverglass too.  She contributes nothing to any thread.  She supposedly a Mensa - further blackening my perception of the organization.  Her MO is to start an argument and then descend into minutia of grammar or style to tie up her opponnents.  You soon forget where you are.  Her other delight is to get posters TSed.  Disgusting bitch.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

She supposedly a Mensa...

You misspelled, "menstrual."

[delilahmused]

Just once I'd like them to discuss this universal truth: If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Cindie

[commonguymd]

I've wondered why we have to put up with Iverglass too.  She contributes nothing to any thread.  She supposedly a Mensa - further blackening my perception of the organization.  Her MO is to start an argument and then descend into minutia of grammar or style to tie up her opponents.  You soon forget where you are.  Her other delight is to get posters TSed.  Disgusting bitch.

I think she has amazing skills to debate.  I enjoy watching her in action. Ruthless.  And it's just dummies fighting dummies on dummy things.   Could care less about any of them.  She entertains and I think she has skills.  She can create arguments where there are none and she is relentless.   She holds grudges better than anyone.  Reminds me of someone I think was oldlawyer lady or something but with a definite chip not just on the shoulder but she wears it all over her body.  Rather fascinating to see her decimate other dummies over nothing but grey scale nuance in verbiage.  Most entertaining bitter Minsk I have ever witnessed. 

[DumbAss Tanker]

OldLeftyLawyer was 'waaaay more rational than that Kanadian Koontang, which is why she ended up getting TS'd herself...too many lucid moments.

[commonguymd]

OldLeftyLawyer was 'waaaay more rational than that Kanadian Koontang, which is why she ended up getting TS'd herself...too many lucid moments.

She had her ways but without the vitriol and bitterness.  She could argue about real differences.  This dummy needs to get laid and just likes to argue.  All entertaining to me. 

[NHSparky]

I love the use of the phrase "military style" or "assault weapons."  Has nothing to do with the functionality or lethality of the weapon per se, but it looks "scary" so it needs to be banned post haste.  Of course, if someone is taking a shot at me, I'll take my chances against a 55-grain 5.56 or .223 round versus a .308/7.62 mm slug coming my way.

Probably why I don't have an AR-15 or Bushmaster, and do have some other guns with a little more "ass" behind them.