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Conservatives claim to be religious, but they don't seem to know what religion is.

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Conservatives love to talk about how religious they are, but they seem a bit confused about what it is. It isn't ritual, it isn't praying loudly, it isn't forcing your belief down the throats of others. The Bible makes it very clear what religion is:

"Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world" James 1:27.

See conservatives, that is it. So start taking care of the poor and oppressed. Oh, and you all should probably give up political power since that will likely taint you.

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We leave it to you liberals to force beliefs down people's throats. It is also been documented that conservatives give more to charity than liberals do so they are following the teachings of Jesus, you fools have no understanding of anything.

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1. They think all they have to do is claim it.

Once they've done that, they're done.

To be a good liberal all you have to do is say how much you care and demand that someone else pay for it.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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I don't think I will take religious advice from atheists who despise all Christians and Jews.

I am much more open to advice from someone who will honor and love the Word of God; than someone who trashes the Word and then tries to manipulate me with a simple quote.

Here is a clue for the hypocrites. govt spending on the poor and orphans is NOT me doing it. I get no happy points by doing nothing and letting Uncle Sam do this for me. Taxes are not now, nor were they ever charitable giving.

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Bottom Line DU:
Its faith that saves you, not good deeds. And declaring you paid your taxes will do nothing for you: you rendered unto Caesar...what did you render unto God? And what hope does an atheist have when he stands before God? DU...unless you change, you will burn.
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I don't think I will take religious advice from atheists who despise all Christians and Jews.

I am much more open to advice from someone who will honor and love the Word of God; than someone who trashes the Word and then tries to manipulate me with a simple quote.

Here is a clue for the hypocrites. govt spending on the poor and orphans is NOT me doing it. I get no happy points by doing nothing and letting Uncle Sam do this for me. Taxes are not now, nor were they ever charitable giving.

Here is another quote...

Bottom Line DU:
Its faith that saves you, not good deeds. And declaring you paid your taxes will do nothing for you: you rendered unto Caesar...what did you render unto God? And what hope does an atheist have when he stands before God? DU...unless you change, you will burn.
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Faith without works is dead.
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No. Works are the natural result of faith.
Jesus told the thief on the cross, that he would be with Him in heaven that day...what works did the thief ever have a chance to do? None. Faith alone saves a person. Works are just a good men do anyways.

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And yet again, the Dummies try to take one verse tell us that Christian's aren't being Christian.

Being Christian isn't about any one facet of life, it should be the totality of one's life.  First, one must have faith in God, and love God with all his heart.  Yes, a Christian should perform good deed, not because their good deeds will save them, but because they are a physical expression of their faith.  

You cannot take a single verse and say, "This is why Christians are doing it wrong."  The Bible is comprehensive whole, isn't isn't a bunch of quotes that you can pick and choose from.

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No. Works are the natural result of faith.
Jesus told the thief on the cross, that he would be with Him in heaven that day...what works did the thief ever have a chance to do? None. Faith alone saves a person. Works are just a good men do anyways.
Faith without works is dead. It's not only my opinion, it's scripture. In answer to your question the thief committed an act of kindness to Jesus in seeing Jesus' passion, telling the truth, believing in him, and trying to comfort him.
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You are playing at semantics.

Faith in Christ is what saves a man. works are a natural result of faith. If you want to pursue this please open a thread outside of the DUmpster.
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True charity benefits the giver as well as the recipient. That's something the DUmmies can't understand.

I work as a bank teller. A few weeks ago a young woman customer came in. I greeted her by name, and asked how she was doing. She burst into tears, and told me that her father had just been in an accident, and had been airlifted to a trauma center about 100 miles away. She had no money, and had come to the bank to see if she could get money from her dad's account to go to be with him. Of course we couldn't do that. So I gave her $50.00 myself. I gave in the "Dave Ramsey" way, with no expectation that it be repaid. I guess I gave out of a Christian desire to obey God. I also felt that if I ever need for my son to get to me ASAP, that maybe someone will give him gas money. One of the other tellers was so touched that she told me that if the young lady didn't repay me, she would split the cost, which she did.

THAT is what we are commanded to do, not set up some corrupt bureaucracy that will only enable the perpetuation of BAD BEHAVIOR.

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True charity benefits the giver as well as the recipient. That's something the DUmmies can't understand.

I work as a bank teller. A few weeks ago a young woman customer came in. I greeted her by name, and asked how she was doing. She burst into tears, and told me that her father had just been in an accident, and had been airlifted to a trauma center about 100 miles away. She had no money, and had come to the bank to see if she could get money from her dad's account to go to be with him. Of course we couldn't do that. So I gave her $50.00 myself. I gave in the "Dave Ramsey" way, with no expectation that it be repaid. I guess I gave out of a Christian desire to obey God. I also felt that if I ever need for my son to get to me ASAP, that maybe someone will give him gas money. One of the other tellers was so touched that she told me that if the young lady didn't repay me, she would split the cost, which she did.

THAT is what we are commanded to do, not set up some corrupt bureaucracy that will only enable the perpetuation of BAD BEHAVIOR.

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I don't take religious advice from a liberals with no morals; as well as not knowing what a bible is. I am also Christian, not religious. There is a difference.

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Faith without works is dead.

That's what the Bible says, too.  James 2:17

Also vs. 24 - "You see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

However, I do agree w/ Mr. Mann that works alone, just like faith alone, will not save you.  You can't do enough good deeds to obtain eternal life with God, it has to be a combination of faith, works, and the mercy of God.

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I've read the Bible a few times.

God tends to destroy those who use the rules of religion to extort, coerce and connive the wealth of others.

The Pharisees weren't just making public displays of the false piety, they were also extorting wealth from people in the name of the public good.
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Everyone Jesus spoke to, He spoke to as individuals, as free agents, even those gathered before Him in groups. He never admonished people to march en masse before the Romans or Jewish potentates of the day demanding others be forced at sword point to take care of the poor and infirm. Love and charity have to come from the hearts and actions of individuals or it be not there. There is nothing virtuous about taking from others by force.

If one wants to argue for a government-run social safety net for practical and ethical reasons, I'm willing to entertain that discussion. But don't pretend that is what Christ is looking for from His Church. Those who would defy and deny God yet use and manipulate the words of the Gospel for their own political ends, well, let's just say He has a place prepared for them.
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I'm not really religious. What I am is a realist when it comes to government and the need to keep it under control.  
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I'm not really religious. What I am is a realist when it comes to government and the need to keep it under control.  

Liberals do just they opposite.

They're very religous and government is the object of their worship.
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As to the faith/works issue, I wrote this about 9 years ago while having a discussion about it with a Catholic friend. It's my opinion about the subject.


All of these verses are from the New American Bible as found at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website.

First, let me state that works are a good thing and important thing. Our conduct (works) is basically a billboard for God and can actually help draw people toward God.
Mat 5:16 Just so, your light must shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your heavenly Father.

But our works, as good as they may be, are not good enough. Works can not get you into the door of heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?'

While most Protestants do not believe works will get you to heaven, some do believe that a person's conduct (works) on earth will result in rewards once they get to heaven.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct. 

Now there is one "work" (if you want to call it that) that will get you to heaven and that work is FAITH.
Jhn 6:28-29 So they said to him, "What can we do to accomplish the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in the one he sent."

Let's look at some other things that Jesus said about salvation, and you'll notice that none include works.
Jhn 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.
Jhn 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."
Jhn 6:47  Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.


Paul says that is basically an either or situation. That if you can be saved by works that it in essence tosses grace (and what Jesus suffered on the cross) out of the window.
Romans 11:6 But if by grace, it is no longer because of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

Paul seems pretty adament that no works from us will get us into heaven.
Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so no one may boast.

Titus seem to agree with Paul that salvation comes completely through Jesus and not by any works that we do.
Titus 3:5 not because of any righteous deeds we had done but because of his mercy, he saved us through the bath of rebirth and renewal by the holy Spirit,

Even Peter seem to agree that works are not what results in salvation.
1 Peter 1:8-9 Although you have not seen him you love him; even though you do not see him now yet believe in him, you rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy, as you attain the goal of (your) faith, the salvation of your souls.

Now comes the good one. The one who everyone who likes to rely on works refers to: James. For this one, I'm going to post the verses first and my opinion afterward.
James 2:14-26 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works. You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble. Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God." See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route? For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

Let's look at Abraham and Isaac. The act of Abraham placing Isaac upon the alter and drawing back the knife to strike was a physical manifestation of Abraham's faith in God. Faith came first THEN the physical manifestation (works). The physical manifestation did not spare Isaac. The faith did. The physical manifestation (works) only gave outward proof of the faith. Faith saved Isaac. Faith saves our souls. James is attempting to get through to people's heads that just saying "I believe" is not enough. It has to be a "life changing believing" in essence. And if it is a "life changing believing" you will indeed change and your works will change to match your new life. If a person claims to be saved but does not have the physical manifestation (works) of that salvation then chances are that person is still lost and is only giving lip-service to the term. Their faith is basically dead.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
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We leave it to you liberals to force beliefs down people's throats. It is also been documented that conservatives give more to charity than liberals do so they are following the teachings of Jesus, you fools have no understanding of anything.

To be a good liberal all you have to do is say how much you care and demand that someone else pay for it.



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DUers prove that they have about the same understanding of the concept of religion as they do economics. Jesus did not come to the world to sell it on a religion. He came to bring faith and hope to those who had neither.
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Works are the natural result of salvation.  Faith without works is dead because if you have faith, you will do  works.  If you don't do works yet claim to be a Christian, you lie.

This is one reason why it's so unlikely that leftists are Christian...they don't "do works," they vote for works to be done by the horribly wasteful government using money stolen from "the rich."
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Works are the natural result of salvation.  Faith without works is dead because if you have faith, you will do  works.  If you don't do works yet claim to be a Christian, you lie.

This is one reason why it's so unlikely that leftists are Christian...they don't "do works," they vote for works to be done by the horribly wasteful government using money stolen from "the rich."

Their morals also make them non christian. Like agreeing with abortion and gay marriage for example.