the primitives say MoveOn now a right-wing group

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002610306

Oh my.

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Karen Beck of MoveOn says she will call the police on #Occupy if their actions upset her

Occupy factions, divided in tactics, to start anew

"We are going to do our actions peacefully, not getting arrested, and if anyone wants to fight or get really aggressive or start breaking things, they are not part of us," said Karen Beck, an organizer for Occupy demonstrators from the Livermore-San Ramon area - who prefer to call themselves 99 Percenters to distance themselves from factions open to violence.

'First we will try to ignore them, then we'll out-chant them," Beck said. "And if that doesn't work, we will call the police on them.'

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Some Oakland city leaders said they were outraged at the prospect of further Occupy disruptions, and that this time around, the city should not tolerate them."

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Firstly, the "oakland city leaders" have been LYING and LYING and LYING to make Occupy go away; their lies are legion and can all be roundly disproven.

Secondly, the "oakland city leaders" are actually their local 1%, who from the beginning have called for the "oakland mayor, police chief, and city council" to forcefully end Occupy.

Thirdly, anyone who hasn't been following closely enough to know the truth about what has occurred in Oakland and across the nation, who has been living in that area and has neither paid attention nor taken the time to figure it out, and who hasn't even been involved for the SIX MONTHS Occupy have been acting for positive change, being brutalized, arrested, jailed, demonized, LIED about...then steps in and believes they can call the shots and threaten to call the cops on anything she doesn't like...is an utter enemy to the true Change we are creating, and is guilty of entitlement and hubris nearly beyond comprehension.

Is working for real non-Change in the face of Change. Will be utterly ineffective against the 1% for an unwillingness to actually get in their business. Truly cheapens what we have done, been doing, and will not stop. Is a lickspittle lackey for the powers that be. Has no real-life experience that the cops are a tool of the 1%; you don't call them, you fear them, and work to change THAT status quo. You somehow missed six months of beatings, pepper-spray, tear-gas, batons, fists, rubber bullets, lawlessness... That the Feds through the DHS organized the multiple-city attacks upon Occupy, and that the majority of mayors who created genuine, repeated police riots and brutality, are Democrats, some like Jean Quan, so-called "progressive" Democrats.

That all of this must be Questioned and Changed to create a better world. That they send the riot police over and over and over to provoke a response they can use to demonize us? WE ARE PEACEFUL. Remember "Change"? It's up to US. Not them. You would betray us. You would betray the "Change" promised to us and and not delivered!

Anyone like the above IS THE PROBLEM. moveon, is this your official stance, your official ignorance of the facts? You'd call the cops to protect your entitlement (place in the corrupt system) and to fight real change? Yours truly, one Occupier who does not speak for all Occupy or any single Occupation but only for himself, who prizes Democracy over the bad members of the democratic party and those who do not question them, who reinforce them. (Those who signed the NDAA indefinite detention bill, the NDRP martial law bill, HR347 (which is an anti-Occupy bill making it a Federal offense to protest and mic-check a representative or candidate in certain locations...it's not Democracy if they don't listen!), extended the "patriot act" which empowers the DHS which is cracking down on Occupy, those who bailed out Wall Street and the banks, those who won't do anything to stop and punish the banks for allowing the known foreclosure fraud machine to continue running, because Wall Street are interested in buying up all of the empty homes to rent for profit, who do NOTHING to stop police riots and brutality and continuing arrests upon those expressing their 1st Amendment RIGHTS, and it goes on and on and on...)

Mercilessly pressure representatives to do the right thing! Always!

Look at the BONES, man!:

Today the City of Oakland Officially Went Insane.

"The city adminstration, with the full approval of the police, is intent on provoking violent behavior from Occupy Oakland, regardless of any consideration for the safety of the general public or the fact that people might be injured, or even killed. Thanks to the incredibly slanted coverage of such incidents by the mainstream media, they now view every potential for violent confrontation as a chance for a big PR victory. If it bleeds, it leads, and City Hall applauds."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/06/1062345/-Today-the-City-of-Oakland-Officially-Went-Insane-|

Oakland's 1% to "mayor" Jean Quan: "The protest has been allowed to run its course. Now it's time to focus on jobs and the economic restoration of our city. It's time for bold leadership and forceful action, not unending social experimentation. We call upon the Oakland City Council and the Mayor of Oakland to step up and provide cohesive, common sense leadership—before it really is too late."

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2011/11/08/11.8.11.oakland_letter_fin-mayor.pdf

Lake Merritt/Uptown District Association calls on Mayor to forcefully end Occupy Oakland

"The Oakland Metro Chamber of Commerce has been quite vocal with their mantra of 'OCCUPY OAKLAND ENCAMPMENT MUST GO! OCCUPY OAKLAND ENCAMPMENT MUST GO! OCCUPY OAKLAND ENCAMPMENT MUST GO!' as they twist the arms of elected officials and try to engender popular support for their position. Now today, the Lake Merritt/Uptown District (business) Association, claiming to be a part of the '99%', has piled on, delivering a letter to the Mayor calling for 'forceful action' to end the 'social experimentation' of Occupy Oakland."

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2011/11/08/18698285.php

Oakland officials knew crime had dropped 19% since the camp was formed:

"When Jordan received an update that crime was actually down 19 percent in the last week of October, he wrote an email to one of Mayor Jean Quan's advisers.

'Not sure how you want to share this good news,' he wrote. 'It may be counter to our statement that the Occupy movement is negatively impacting crime in Oakland.'"

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/emails-exchanged-between-oakland-opd-reveal-tensio/nGMkF/

DAILY KOS ARE COMPILING REPORTS OF TORTURE AND HUMILIATION FROM THE J28 ARRESTS:

"Just got out of Santa Rita Jail last night the prisoners from the Oakland Commune were being denied medications (some had seizures) while the guards said they didnt care if they died. Some people were brutally beaten. The put tear gas in the vents of my cell twice. They were keeping people without restrooms forcing them to shit and piss themselves or puke all over and stay in the same area...."

Women arrestees were forced to give urine samples in front of male officers, ostensibly for pregnancy testing."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/31/1060354/-Breaking:-Oakland-Arrestees-Tortured

Yes, The 99% Spring Is A Fraud

"With hindsight gained by googling “MoveOn” and “co-opt” after the fact, I can’t claim that nobody tried to warn me. Many websites with left and even liberal politics had said in so many words, 'Be wary of this organization called the 99% Spring. It is a Trojan horse for the Democrats.' I just didn’t read that anywhere in a timely fashion. I’ve had a lot of stuff on my plate lately. That’s my excuse. And in my ignorance, I responded to some spam about 'nonviolent direct action training' organized by MoveOn and got invited to this 99% Spring thing on April 10 at the Goddard Riverside Community Center in Manhattan. Somebody even called me all the way from San Francisco to make sure I was a sincere seeker on the left and would be attending, along with 120,000 others in training sessions around the country.

Which I did. The meeting was a few blocks from where I live. The spam said it was 'inspired by Occupy Wall Street.' I wasn’t sure what that meant, but I was vaguely hoping that whatever the 99% Spring was, it would start a chapter of Occupy Wall Street on the Upper West Side, conveniently near my abode, and agitate for the Democrats and MoveOn to move left.

The first clue that my evening might go otherwise was the sign-up table, where there were a bunch of Obama buttons for sale and one sign-up sheet for the oddly named Community Free Democrats (are they free of community?), which is the local Democratic clubhouse. That killed the 'inspired by Occupy Wall Street' vibe right there. No piles of literature from a zillion different groups, as there had been in Zuccotti Park. No animated arguments among Marxists, anarchists, progressives, punks, engaged Buddhists, anti-war libertarians and what have you. Just Obama buttons, which didn’t appear to be selling."

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1126

New Occupy Crackdown Documents Just Obtained by the PCJF

"U.S. Park Police were communicating step by step, as they took action in regard to Occupy DC, with the Secret Service, DHS, and other police agencies as well as personnel affiliated with LEO.gov, the FBI's nationally integrated network and alert system involving all aspects of civilian law enforcement, intelligence agencies and the military. As its website states, 'LEO supports the FBI's ten priorities by providing cost-effective, time-critical national alerts and information sharing to public safety, law enforcement, antiterrorism and intelligence agencies in support of the Global War on Terrorism.'"

http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/nps-production.html

Caught on Camera: 10 Shockingly Violent Police Assaults on Occupy Protesters

http://www.alternet.org/story/153134/caught_on_camera:_10_shockingly_violent_police_assaults_on_occupy_protesters/

At least 6,924 Occupiers have been arrested thus far.

http://occupyarrests.moonfruit.com/

"Proposed statement of autonomy

Occupy Los Angeles is a movement for the people by the people. We are not a political party, we are not a business, we are not an organization; we are a movement of people standing in solidarity with one another across the world.

Our movement is comprised of independent individuals who take autonomous action to advance the movement every day. We encourage and respect this autonomous activity, but do not support those who claim to speak for Occupy LA unless requested to do so by the General Assembly. To all, we say: speak with us, not for us.

We welcome all who wish to engage in participatory, horizontal, transparent democracy and collective decision making. We welcome and respect dissent. We encourage the participation of individuals, groups and organizations who wish to support and engage with our movement knowing that doing so will mean questioning their own institutional frameworks and hierarchies, and integrating our principles into their modes of action.

We stand in solidarity with all other HORIZONTAL AND AUTONOMOUS 'Occupy' movements and communities, but also recognize and respect their autonomy, as we hope they will ours.

We want to emphasize that Occupy LA is not, and never has been, affiliated with any established political party, candidate or organization as this would directly contravene our spirit of independence. We strive to challenge the rigid, oppressive structures sustaining the inherent inequalities created by our current socioeconomic political reality. We seek to empower communities to share their collective resources and subvert laws and institutions which place profit above people." 

http://losangelesga.net/2012/01/statement-of-autonomy/

What does the arsonist primitive know about Occupy, since he's too disabled to get out of bed until afternoon?

Anyway, this is a very big campfire, in which the primitives disavow MoveOn and allege it's right-wing.

 

Poor stupid Beth chimes in, but as usual it's just poor stupid Beth.

[Kyle Ricky]

Next they will be saying the Black Panthers are a right wing organization. It is kinda funny if you think about it.

[Karin]

Unhinged!  Entire paragraphs, consisting of one run-on sentence, does not inspire reasoned discourse.  

Just Obama buttons, which didn’t appear to be selling.

I want to save this, in case it gets stuffed:

pasto76 (911 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

60. wondering what OWS has accomplished

The second any of you supported those actions is when you lost your credibility. Sorry none of you can operate like adults. Going against The Machine requires some leadership and organization. This "we have no leader" is the biggest problem. Go to a OWS FB page or forum, and I cant even find discussions about economic injustice or social equality. All I see are ludicrous conspiracy theories: zionist this, new world order that. Its ridiculous, and it's made you a laughing stock.

Another day, more cannabilism at the DUmp.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Unhinged!  Entire paragraphs, consisting of one run-on sentence, does not inspire reasoned discourse.  
 

Yeah, but the goon is just speaking truth to stupidity.  I can never read those unhinged screeds either.

[franksolich]

Unhinged!  Entire paragraphs, consisting of one run-on sentence, does not inspire reasoned discourse.  
 

Yeah, as a kindness to decent and civilized people, if a primitive yaps and yammers on and on in one very large paragraph, I "edit" it by breaking it down into many paragraphs.

<<is considerate of audience; wishes the primitives were too.

[Rebel]

That Fire Walk jackass tried to use this to prove the Occutards were in the right:

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8v7lF5ttlQ&feature=player_embedded#![/youtube]


Look like a bunch of whiny little bitches to me. What the hell makes these idiots think they're entitled to do whatever the hell they want to do?

[GOBUCKS]

Fire Walk With Me (31,617 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

Karen Beck of MoveOn says she will call the police on #Occupy if their actions upset her

Occupy factions, divided in tactics, to start anew

"We are going to do our actions peacefully, not getting arrested, and if anyone wants to fight or get really aggressive or start breaking things, they are not part of us," said Karen Beck, an organizer for Occupy demonstrators from the Livermore-San Ramon area - who prefer to call themselves 99 Percenters to distance themselves from factions open to violence.

'First we will try to ignore them, then we'll out-chant them," Beck said. "And if that doesn't work, we will call the police on them.'

...blah, blah, blah, blah, endlessly boring blah.......

We want to emphasize that Occupy LA is not, and never has been, affiliated with any established political party, candidate or organization as this would directly contravene our spirit of independence. We strive to challenge the rigid, oppressive structures sustaining the inherent inequalities created by our current socioeconomic political reality. We seek to empower communities to share their collective resources and subvert laws and institutions which place profit above people." 

http://losangelesga.net/2...01/statement-of-autonomy/

This mess is the epitome of TL/DR.

What is it with moonbats? They won't use one word if they can think of ten.

It's like Fidel's eight-hour speeches, or Yugo's six-hour TV shows every Sunday night.

If DUmmies were really as internet-savvy as they think, they'd know anything on a message board longer than a half-dozen lines is ignored.

[obumazombie]

Why don't they just "Move on" ? It can be organized or disorganized. The .org doesn't matter as much as the moving on.

[jukin]

Moron.Org is as far left as it gets. Their tin hats are on just a bit too tight as well.

[Ballygrl]

These people actually think the OWS movement is peaceful? seriously?

[GOP Congress]

Next thing you know they will be lambasting DU because it's a rabid right wingnut site.

(Well, it's partly true, if you count all the moles   )



Moderators Note:  I've cautioned you several times about public forum statements like the one that I've removed.......

[DumbAss Tanker]

This mess is the epitome of TL/DR.

Exactimundo.  I cut out of it at about the same place your quote of the interminable blather cut off myself.

[AllosaursRus]

Unhinged!  Entire paragraphs, consisting of one run-on sentence, does not inspire reasoned discourse. 
 

I want to save this, in case it gets stuffed:

Another day, more cannabilism at the DUmp.

What do ya expect when the majority of your brethren have "Twilight Zone" logic?

Yeah, but the goon is just speaking truth to stupidity.  I can never read those unhinged screeds either.

I don't even bother when they get diarrhea of the mouth like this. I let yous guys do that for me, heh!

oh yeah,

Fire Walk With Me (31,617 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

As long as I get to leave you in the fire, I'll walk with ya.

[USA4ME]

Oakland officials knew crime had dropped 19% since the camp was formed:

"When Jordan received an update that crime was actually down 19 percent in the last week of October, he wrote an email to one of Mayor Jean Quan's advisers.

'Not sure how you want to share this good news,' he wrote. 'It may be counter to our statement that the Occupy movement is negatively impacting crime in Oakland.'"

I liked this.  In an attempt to portray the Occupy Oakland kooks as law abiding, they inadvertently make the case that crime dropped in Oakland because the criminals had stopped to join the movement.

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[Happy Fun Ball]

Next they will be saying the Black Panthers are a right wing organization. It is kinda funny if you think about it.

Well, they always say that Hitler and the Nazis were right wing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did try it.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

These people actually think the OWS movement is peaceful? seriously?

Good and gentle lady,

They know they aren't peaceful. What is important is that the uninformed on-looker thinks they are peaceful then becomes morally outraged at the police and joins the OWieS cause.

Even the Nazis, in the early days when they were the Brown Shirts, played behind the facade of peaceful victim only wanting what was best for others though they knew full well they instigated most violence and would unleash it wholesale against their enemies once they held enough power.

[Kyle Ricky]

Well, they always say that Hitler and the Nazis were right wing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did try it.

I wonder if they accepted the fact that the KKK is a left wing organization yet?