PA trial run for voter ID requirement - today, primary. I'm not showing one.

[Freeper]

HopeHoops
 
PA trial run for voter ID requirement - today, primary. I'm not showing one.

The law doesn't go into effect until November, but they're using today as a trial run to see how voters "adapt" to it. I'm going to tell them my license is in my wallet, in my back pocket, and no I'm not going to produce it. I have a right to vote anyway (at least today). I'll work hard to get that shit reversed before November, but I sure as shit plan on protesting it today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125131725

For the life of me I can't figure out why having to actually prove your identity to vote is a bad thing. These are the same people who would howl the loudest if someone managed to steal their vote.

RDANGELO
1. I would tell them I didn't have one.

That would promote the idea that the law isn't working. I would tell them that I didn't have one because I haven't even heard of it. Especially if I was white. Have they been doing any public informational adds on this.

Lugnut
2. This is ridiculous.

All the poll workers in my precinct are my neighbors. We've all known each other for almost 50 years and I've voted in every election. What a stupid law.

All the workers at my bank are neighbors yet they still ask for ID, bunch of fascists.

noel711
3. I told the local election judges that I had my ID

BUT I was openly protesting having to show it.
They didn't make us show it, just warned us.

I again told them I protested having to justify
one of my civil rights.
Anyone can conceal and carry a firearm,
but legal citizens who pay taxes have to
prove who they are.
Somethings not right.

Really you don't need an ID to get a gun permit? That's a new one.

Spoonman
4. The firearms comparison FAIL

Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

To conceal and carry a firearm in most states requires showing your ID numerous times, a significant background check, finger printing, training, and testing.
(you are also required to carry both your state issued "ID" for driving and concealed carry).
In addition, when you purchase a firearm you are required to show your ID, submit the Federal form, and pass the federal background check (NICS).

I see nothing wrong with showing an ID to vote.

Want to write the county a check to pay your property taxes? - You will show your ID
Get pulled over by the police for speeding - You will show your ID
Board an airplane - You will show your ID

Realize that the right to vote in this country has a value that many died for, and many around the world continue to struggle and die for.
When you assign something a value of 0 it is worth nothing!

Show your ID and think of it as the admission price to the voting booth.

Freeper troll!!!

meow2u3
6. So you like a return to poll taxes, I see

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Do you mean to tell me you have no problem with preventing people from voting just because they can't afford to get the documentation necessary to get a photo ID? That's exactly what your argument entails: disenfranching poor voters just for being poor, female, elderly, disabled, young, or of a minority group.

Photo ID laws are backdoor poll taxes because even if the ID itself is free, the documentation necessary to get one costs money that goes to state coffers, i.e., a tax by another name. Also, Pennsylvania is a right-to-vote state; the state Constitution states that no one may interfere with a citizen's right to vote. A photo ID law interferes with the affirmative right to vote. Read, pal.

Legally, it's a fallacy to compare driving with voting. Voting is a citizen's right; driving is a privilege. The burden of proof is supposed to be on the government to prove you or I are not citizens; photo ID laws also operate on the false premise that you're not a citizen until you prove otherwise--guilty until proven innocent.

I'm tired of poll taxes everytime I start a new job, cash a check, go into a bar, or get on an airplane. 

Spoonman
8. Horse shit

they can't afford to get the documentation necessary to get a photo ID? That's exactly what your argument entails: disenfranching poor voters just for being poor, female, elderly, disabled, young, or of a minority group.


That argument is ludicrous and grasping at best. It cost you to fill out a voter registration card (stamp or gas to the registrar's office).
I guess those costs are de facto poll tax too!

Photo ID laws are backdoor poll taxes because even if the ID itself is free, the documentation necessary to get one costs money that goes to state coffers, i.e., a tax by another name. Also, Pennsylvania is a right-to-vote state; the state Constitution states that no one may interfere with a citizen's right to vote. A photo ID law interferes with the affirmative right to vote. Read, pal.


If the ID is free, how in the hell do you equate that to a tax? You do understand "free" don't you?

The burden of proof is supposed to be on the government to prove you or I are not citizens; photo ID laws also operate on the false premise that you're not a citizen until you prove otherwise--guilty until proven innocent.


Really?
Once again..... Horse Shit
Try arguing that with immigration at the airport!
Proof of citizenship is YOUR responsibility!

proud2BlibKansan
11. The supporting documentation is not free

I just went through getting all the documentation I need for a drivers license renewal. It cost $62.

That's a poll tax.

[Rebel]

Yeah, spoon man isn't going to be around long. Our resident mole? Well, he can come out at any time without the threat of banning.

[franksolich]

Again, the only reason the primitives are against voter-identification laws is because it makes it harder for the Democrats to steal elections.  But impossible, but just a tad bit harder.

That's the only reason.

[Doubleplusungood]

Again, the only reason the primitives are against voter-identification laws is because it makes it harder for the Democrats to steal elections.  But impossible, but just a tad bit harder.

That's the only reason.

Its the only logical conclusion.

[diesel driver]

Its the only logical conclusion.

 

And logic to a DUmmmie ls like sunlight to Dracula.

As far as "supporting documentation", birth certificate, checking account statement, utility bill, etc.  Nothing fancy or exotic.

Shit you will have or can get very, very easily.

$62 "poll tax" for drivers' license renewal.  Yeah, sure.

The only time in Virginia you have to show "supporting documentation" is when you first get a license, or if you're REALLY stupid and allow yours to expire.

FWIW, my "poll tax" was $80 last time around, good for 7 years.  CDL's ain't cheap!  Neither are the $70 bi-annual physicals that go with it.

KMA, DUmmie Proud2BSTUPID.  KMA!

http://www.electstevedawes.com

[txradioguy]

What a stupid law.

And yet a 20 something white kid was able to go into the precint of our 61 year old Black Attorney General and obtain his ballot.

They also were given the ballots of Ben Jealous (Head of the NAACP) Bill Maher and David Brock (Media Matters).  All with just a claim of who they were and no ID was shown...even though the people claiming to be those people said they could go get their ID and show it as proof.


Yeah...we don't need this law. 

Has the Project Veritas guys decided to actually break the law and fill out Holder's ballot...he could have walked in five minuts after they left and it wouldnt' have been given to him.

So remind me again how this kind of law wouldn't work?

[diesel driver]

And yet a 20 something white kid was able to go into the precint of our 61 year old Black Attorney General and obtain his ballot.

They also were given the ballots of Ben Jealous (Head of the NAACP) Bill Maher and David Brock (Media Matters).  All with just a claim of who they were and no ID was shown...even though the people claiming to be those people said they could go get their ID and show it as proof.


Yeah...we don't need this law. 

Has the Project Veritas guys decided to actually break the law and fill out Holder's ballot...he could have walked in five minuts after they left and it wouldnt' have been given to him.

So remind me again how this kind of law wouldn't work?

Don't know about how, but I do know where.

Chicago.

http://www.electstevedawes.com

[miskie]

Using DUmmy logic, I could argue all taxes are a poll tax.

If I don't pay my taxes, I go to jail.
If I go to jail, I lose my right to vote.
Therefore all taxes = poll tax.

[JohnnyReb]

If they pass a voter ID law, skin cancer rates will necessarily go up. DUmmies will have to have their picture taken so many times for ID's that they'll get sunburned.

[Karin]

They've been weeping and gnashing their teeth about this for years:

disenfranching poor voters just for being poor, female, elderly, disabled, young, or of a minority group.

  Are you saying that because I'm female, I'm obviously too stupid to obtain identification materials?  Why do you hate women and wage war on them?   

Proud2bastupidbitch is lying out her ass about $62 to renew a driver's license.  Bullshit.  Prove it, Ann.  Are you too stupid to file away your ID materials in a safe place, and to renew your drivers license on time, as per the Law and Regulations of The State?  Then you're too stupid to teach. 

[jukin]

proud2BlibKansan
11. The supporting documentation is not free

I just went through getting all the documentation I need for a drivers license renewal. It cost $62.

That's a poll tax.

Just renewed my Kalifornia DL and it was $37 good for four years.

[Rebel]

Where is she getting 62 bucks from?

http://www.ksrevenue.org/pdf/dmvlicfees.pdf#xml=http://search.ksrevenue.org/texis/search/pdfhi.txt?query=ID+card&pr=KSRevenue&prox=page&rorder=500&rprox=500&rdfreq=500&rwfreq=500&rlead=500&rdepth=0&sufs=0&order=r&cq=&id=4f97b15a17

An ID card is 22 bucks and lasts 6 years. $3.67 per year. Yeah, how rough it must be. 

[Crazy Horse]

They've been weeping and gnashing their teeth about this for years:
  Are you saying that because I'm female, I'm obviously too stupid to obtain identification materials?  Why do you hate women and wage war on them?   

Proud2bastupidbitch is lying out her ass about $62 to renew a driver's license.  Bullshit.  Prove it, Ann.  Are you too stupid to file away your ID materials in a safe place, and to renew your drivers license on time, as per the Law and Regulations of The State?  Then you're too stupid to teach. 

http://www.ksrevenue.org/pdf/dmvlicfees.pdf

Even the most expensive is $36.50, Class A/B/M.

Here is the list of items for proof

http://www.ksrevenue.org/dmvproof.html

Ann, like all primitives lie and she's a damn LIAR

[Texacon]

meow2u3
6. So you like a return to poll taxes, I see

Last edited Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:54 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Do you mean to tell me you have no problem with preventing people from voting just because they can't afford to get the documentation necessary to get a photo ID? That's exactly what your argument entails: disenfranching poor voters just for being poor, female, elderly, disabled, young, or of a minority group.

Photo ID laws are backdoor poll taxes because even if the ID itself is free, the documentation necessary to get one costs money that goes to state coffers, i.e., a tax by another name. Also, Pennsylvania is a right-to-vote state; the state Constitution states that no one may interfere with a citizen's right to vote. A photo ID law interferes with the affirmative right to vote. Read, pal.

Legally, it's a fallacy to compare driving with voting. Voting is a citizen's right; driving is a privilege. The burden of proof is supposed to be on the government to prove you or I are not citizens; photo ID laws also operate on the false premise that you're not a citizen until you prove otherwise--guilty until proven innocent.

Can we apply this same logic to unions?  Why should I have to PAY someone to work?!

RDANGELO
1. I would tell them I didn't have one.

That would promote the idea that the law isn't working. I would tell them that I didn't have one because I haven't even heard of it. Especially if I was white. Have they been doing any public informational adds on this.

Typical.  Lie, that'll help you get your point across.   

proud2BlibKansan
11. The supporting documentation is not free

I just went through getting all the documentation I need for a drivers license renewal. It cost $62.

That's a poll tax.

How much of that was the cost of the license?  $62.00 I'll bet.

KC

[Chris_]

I wonder if the state revoked her driver's license... that's the only thing I can think of that would run up that kind of tab unless she was required to get an eye exam prior to  being allowed to renew her current one.

[Kyle Ricky]

People who are against this are for voter fraud. That is the only way that Obama will get re-elected. They want all the illegal aliens they can find to vote. Hell, I still say they bus them over from Mexico to vote democrat.