Why are ReTHUGS against electric cars

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malaise
 
Why are ReTHUGS against electric cars

Is it because they are owned by big Oil?

I don't get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002584520

Because the gasoline engine is still the best way to propel a car. If they can perfect battery technology and give us cars that perform the same as the ones we have now, and they are affordable we may jump on the bandwagon. It doesn't make any sense to jump on the electric car bandwagon when gas powered cars work just fine. Besides you need coal fired plants to produce the electricity in order to charge the batteries and the 0bama administration is trying to kill the coal industry. A windmill is not going to cut it.

movonne
2. Rush and other rw talk show hosts tell them how

to think...if it is anything progressive they hate it...

 

Politicalboi
3. My guess is

If they accept electric cars, they are accepting Global Warming. It's their way to rebel.

No electric cars suck and gas powered cars do a good job, it's as simple as that.

LiberalLoner
6. Yup, it means they would also accept the idea that gas will continue to be more and more

expensive (peak oil.) Peak oil is another concept they don't believe in.

I haven't heard them yammer about peak oil for a few years.

TheWraith
19. That, and they're reflexively against progress. nt

Wrong again we have plenty of ideas that will bring about progress but you goons scream like stuck pigs when we speak of them.

malaise
30. Good post

with some reasonable questions but ReTHUGS have no problems with subsidies for big oil et al even when their profits are going through the roof.

I'd rather have subsidies for companies not going out of business. I know crazy right?

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm not against electric cars at all, I just don't think the technology is there to make them even remotely economical, even aside from the blind eye being turned to the downstream hazardous waste issue produced by the dead high-tech batteries, and the limited range issues inherent to the type.

I am, however, dead set against subsidizing production of anything beyond the prototyping stage, as opposed to technical research which I do fully support subsidizing.  Production subsidies distort the market and create boundless opportunities for graft, as the unholy pairing of Obama campaign bundlers and solar power companies will bear witness.

[BlueStateSaint]

Tell ya what, DUmb****s--when an electric car can be several things, namely

1) Safe (doesn't burst into flames after it's been in an accident--see Volt, Chevrolet as an example of one that does)

2) Affordable (doesn't require over $40,000 to buy--see Volt, Chevrolet as an example of one that's not)

3) Lightweight (they're all pretty heavy)

Maybe if the electric car proponents work on those three things, you'd be going somewhere.

[Duke Nukum]

I don't ride unicorns either.

[Doubleplusungood]

I have learned to be against anything liberals are championing. Its the safest play considering the facts of their history. Even if it appears altruistic on the surface it is most assuredly a ploy to take liberty and give power to more leftists.

[Ballygrl]

Umm, let's start with the cost of electric cars.

[Ballygrl]

And why do they ask questions at a board we can't register at, why not ask it here?

[catsmtrods]

I don't understand why they don't make them to work like a locomotive or a ship? With a generator instead of a battery. Seems to me you could run a nice size electric motor with a very small gas or diesel motor? Am I wrong?

[jukin]

Sorry DUchebags, I have been designing machines for over 40 years and since I actually have not only advanced degrees but have specific automotive experience. Batteries cost too much, don't have the energy density, and are the worst environmental offender of any energy.  Oh and they are not cos competitive even with huge infusions of 0bama's stash. That is why I am against electric cars. All based on proven engineering principles and experience. I'd go through the math but would lose you at 1+1.

All lurking DUches should really look up Dunning-Kruger Effect on wikipedia. That's you.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

Again, DUmbass, I refer you to the link in my sig line.

[Lacarnut]

Electric cars are a money losing proposition. Even the Toyota Prius loses around $2,000 on the sale of each one. Those under 40 grand are slow and mileage goes way down if you drive the thing over 70mph. If you run out of energy in an electric car (not a hybrid), what are you going to do...plug it into Obama's ass??.    

[Kyle Ricky]

Electric cars will never pick up. They don't recharge in motion, they cost way too much, and they can't tow worth a damn.

[Evil_Conservative]

Because they are gay.  That's why.

[Tucker]

TheWraith
19. That, and they're reflexively against progress. nt

I'm all for progress.

First there was the caplock, then the flintlock, then a Sharps carbine, followed by the Winchester repeating rifle. In the late 1880's, the bolt action rifle was put into service, soon followed by the semi automatic and full automatic  battle rifles. 

As to my personal collection, I have a Mak-90, FN-FAL, UZI and a AR-15. All set up for urban conflict.

So you see, we do believe in progress.

[miskie]

Pwnd by a Noob. probably to be tombstoned in the not too distant future.

28. I am bracing for the slapdown......but I don't like electric cars.


There is very little upside.

1. Cars that get over 40 mpg right now have comparable CO2 output.

2. Cost - cost to buy (and since the $7,500 credit is non-refundable, you've got to be a top tier earner to even get that discount), higher cost to insure (due to higher cost), and, in the states with personal property tax, high taxes due to higher cost. As an example of the taxes, if the Leaf cost $10,000 more than a comparable car, in my county (30% assessment and 141 mils), I would pay an extra $423 in the first year. As an example of the insurance, I got on-line quotes from my insurance company for a Volt vs a Ford Focus...around $500 a year difference.

3. Savings not that great. Ignoring the additional costs to own, we can look at the operating cost savings. It costs around 4 cents a mile (34 kwh/100 mile and $0.12 per kwh). A new Hyundai Elantra gets 40 mpg...and $3.75 a gallon, that's $0.094 per mile. We average 12,000 miles a year, which would save us....$648 a year in fuel.

As you can see, you would have to drive several years, in order to lower the car's insurance and tax value, before you even get to start thinking about the gas savings offsetting the initial cost.

And lets be honest - the battery will not last forever. Its hard to nail down the cost of the battery, but a Reuters story from 2 days ago says $689 per kwh, which is $15,800. A story from yesterday says the Ford Focus electric battery will cost between $12,000 and $15,000. Just using the low end cost of $12 thousand, and the anticipated gas savings (ignoring the higher cost of ownership), you would break even, if you went 222,000 miles. They've got a warranty for the first 100k, so assuming you get a change out then for free, and you need a new one at the 222k mark, you've broke even. I understand engines go bad too...but the cost to replace an engine is less than half that cost. (BTW, how on earth would Nissan make any money, if most people came back for a 'just in case' battery swap at the 99k mile mark).

But what about the environment? CO2 is a wash with some of the uber mileage gas and Prius style hybrids.

But what about the future? I remember just a few short years ago, when everybody (and 95% of politicians of all stripes) was shouting 'HYDROGEN' from the rooftops. Remember? Hydrogen fuel cells were going to save us? It was the future...except it wasn't.

Then there was ethanol. It was surely going to be our saving grace...but, it wasn't.

But what about getting away from oil? I do not have my head in the sand about oil. In fact, I think we can follow what many Europeans have done. They are putting LNG conversion kits in their cars...as an aftermarket device. It makes the car a multifuel vehicle...because sometimes natural gas is cheaper than gasoline, in Europe. Anyone know where we have a newfound glut of NG?...and the underground storage space is running out? Here. Right here.

With much fanfare, my community installed a free to use charging station...which I have NEVER seen used.

With no fanfare whatsoever, two privately owned LNG stations have opened in my community. I really do think LNG is the quiet wave of the future.

Where will electric cars be in 5 years? There will be a few - fleets, ride-share arrangements, etc....but for the most part, they will be as memorable as all those hydrogen fuel cells we were supposed to have by now.

Flame away - I've been called plenty of names. But, I would be especially appreciative if anybody finds a factual flaw in my reasoning.

I don't 'hate' electric cars...but for the reasons listed above, I'm not a supporter.

Disclaimer - the technology of the non plug in Prius, and those that copy it, is much better at costing out; and, I do not lump it in with plug ins. I do think that more and more new car models will copy. I understand that Prius now has a plug in model...and it does make perfect sense to start out with a fully charged battery...as long as the good people of Toyota aren't tempted to add substantial weight, in the form of a larger battery.

[Kyle Ricky]

Pwnd by a Noob. probably to be tombstoned in the not too distant future.

Yeah, he won't last very long. They don't like people who don't kiss their ass, or think what they think.

[Doubleplusungood]

Because they are gay.  That's why.

 

[USA4ME]

I take it the anti-American malaise primitive has an electric car.
Oh, he doesn't?

malaise primtive, how about you first, you dimwit?  Put your money where your stupid mouth is.

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[GOBUCKS]

I got on-line quotes from my insurance company for a Volt vs a Ford Focus...around $500 a year difference.

You should be able to save a little bit of that difference, since it's not necessary to insure against theft.

0bamaite ghetto rats don't go for golf carts.

[NHSparky]

Ever seen a Prius that:

--Came in 4WD?

--Could navigate through mud and snow?

--Could haul a family of five and luggage?

--Could pull a boat, camper, or anything larger than a 10-speed?

--Didn't slow down by at least 10 mph when you turned on the A/C?

--You couldn't steer by sticking your hands out the window?

--Cost less to own and operate than a 1/2-ton pickup?

Lemme know when you come up with one, DUmmies.

[obumazombie]

Some one on here is Unicornist.

[GOBUCKS]

Ever seen a Prius that:

--Came in 4WD?

--Could haul a family of five and luggage?

--Could pull a boat, camper, or anything larger than a 10-speed?

Lemme know when you come up with one, DUmmies.

Four wheel drive, families, boats and campers are all Rethug stuff.

0bamaites don't do none of that shit.

[FlippyDoo]

I'm against electric cars because the queen of all knowledge and wisdom has informed me that cell phone batteries are not safe. If those little bitty cell phone batteries are unsafe just think how unsafe a battery that powers a car would have to be.

Suffice to say, the queen of all knowledge and wisdom is nadin and has a perfect record in relation to her accuracy.

[NHSparky]

I'm against electric cars because the queen of all knowledge and wisdom has informed me that cell phone batteries are not safe. If those little bitty cell phone batteries are unsafe just think how unsafe a battery that powers a car would have to be.

Suffice to say, the queen of all knowledge and wisdom is nadin and has a perfect record in relation to her accuracy.

Whoops--looks like someone didn't heed nads' warning about driving electric cars...

[Rebel]

Pwnd by a Noob. probably to be tombstoned in the not too distant future.

Reading that I think Idiocracy and see the DUmmies giving the same expression Frito Pendejo gave when Not Sure was trying to figure out the time machine, and how it would work, but then this would change, then maybe it won't work, ...etc.