TiT's Greatest Hits: A Musical Retrospective...

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

< aside: I spent a month on bread and water, 3 days on and 3 days off, in a Marine Brig

Just a question for all the military guys here. How would one end up in a Marine brig if one was {supposedly} in the Navy?

[JakeStyle]

< aside: I spent a month on bread and water, 3 days on and 3 days off, in a Marine Brig

Just a question for all the military guys here. How would one end up in a Marine brig if one was {supposedly} in the Navy?

The Navy still runs the brig at MCAS Miramar and I know that they incarcerate Marines there, I imagine the opposite would be true on bases where the Marines run the brig like MCB Camp Pendleton.

[Chris_]

< aside: I spent a month on bread and water, 3 days on and 3 days off, in a Marine Brig

Just a question for all the military guys here. How would one end up in a Marine brig if one was {supposedly} in the Navy?

JakeStyle's answer sounds entirely reasonable; however, since it is TiT that we're talking about the correct answer is probably: when you're fabricating a story you can put yourself into any brig you desire.

Hell, TiT's probably even done some time in a Klingon brig.

[Rebel]

How many SEALs go to the brig? They're the creme of the crop. Now, if he did it before he became a SEAL I call bullshit as well. Doubt they'd take anyone into a selective service like the SEALs who had been to the damn brig. 

[BamaMoose]

If TiT could post the declassified version of his time in a Marine brig it would read something like this:

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Sun Oct-21-07 01:42 AM
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1. So (yes, I said so)

I’m threatening John Warner with a shotgun.  The Shore Patrol think that disarming me is a good idea.  After I take about 4 dozen of them out, they call for re-enforcements.  A battalion out of the 9th MEB responds and eventually subdues me.  They wouldn’t have taken me if not for the fact that I was tired from being awake for 4014 hours straight doing extractions in North Vietnam, Laos and the Soviet Union around the Arctic Circle.

They transport me to a Marine brig while they contemplate what to do with me.  After a brisk nap I decide that I want out, so I disable everyone in the place.  Unfortunately, they kept their back-up battalion in-place so they take me down again.  They wouldn’t have taken me if not for the fact that the sun was in my eyes.

They call for a helo squadron to support transporting me and take me to a docked SSN.  After shackling me with anchor chain they load me into a torpedo tube and head out to sea.  I spent about a month locked in that torpedo tube, but that was ok because I had smuggled about a kilo of Thai sticks and a kilo of heroin in with me.  During my time in the tube I got hungry and had to eat three of my toes.  All of a sudden I feel them pressurize and the next thing I know I’m being fired out of the tube.  I was shot onto a deserted island out in the middle of WestPac.

Once ashore, I quickly fabricated a crude sundial and, using my SEAL celestial navigation training, established my latitude and longitude within about 5 feet.  I determined I was on a deserted island in French Polynesia.  After spending a handful of days writing songs which would eventually bring Bonny Raitt fame and fortune I decided I needed a drink (and I hadn't had real food or fresh water for about 6 weeks).  I was only about 2000 miles from Hawaii so I dove in the ocean and started swimming.  Three days later I was drunk in Maui.  I liked Hawaii so much I bought Molokai Island but I had to give it to my girlfriend when she kicked me out of my house.  On the plus side my toes grew back.
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[JakeStyle]

How many SEALs go to the brig? They're the creme of the crop. Now, if he did it before he became a SEAL I call bullshit as well. Doubt they'd take anyone into a selective service like the SEALs who had been to the damn brig. 

But TominTib is sort of like Steven Seagal and Daryl Hall smooshed together into some sort of sensitive yet lethal killing machine!  The SEALS obviously couldn't let him get away, in fact I hear that they even called him back to service to kick some ass in Panama in 1989.

[LC EFA]

Tom's such a hero that they will call him up at the ripe old age of 62 :

The_Casual_Observer  Donating Member Sun Aug-20-06 01:59 AM
Response to Original message
1. Every reservist I have ever heard of has been called up
   
for a long tour in the last few years. It's almost guaranteed.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. Or you can see #3 and take another guess
   
A bunch of old, creaky guys whose demise wouldn't get a lot of teary-eyed, interviews with his football coach, fiancee', left a lot of young kids interviews.

TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 02:00 AM
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3. Get ready, the old guys are next.
   
I was called back in '89 for the Panama deal after being out of service since '72.

And I am eligible until 2012.

I will be 62, then.

izzie  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. I am sorry but that is to funny. Are you pulling my leg?
   
I am sure men your age are not fit to fight in 100 degree temp. half way around the world even if your in great shape. At your age one has learned to pace one self. That is not the way to do it.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. I am not pulling your leg.
   
Special Forces are eligible for callup until the age of 62.

izzie  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. My husband said he could have been called up for 10 years.
   
That was after 20 year and retirement. but I must say he would never have been that old. He would have been done by 47. Going in right after high school makes one very young at retirement. It seems very old for some one to be 62 and be a front line man even if you were in great shape. Years wear on every one.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. There is a difference
   
I was/am Special Forces. You're in until the age of 62.

Sucks, don't it?
   
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1946925

Tom knows things "first hand" about the Panama drugs scene.

madmunchie  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-26-06 09:26 PM
Original message
Does anybody know much about when Bush I attacked Panama?
   
What was the flack from that and what really became of it?

benddem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-26-06 09:30 PM
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1. Not much came of it
   
I don't remember any big fuss. But then the internet was just barely functioning. It was really almost** as stupid as * attacking Iraq. Same situation tin horn dictator we propped up. Then when we wanted someone else in power they went after Noriega militarily. Lots of people wounded and killed. Same stupidity, trying to exert their manhood.

** I say "almost" cause it was relatively short and compared to this debacle fewer lives lost.

TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-26-06 09:33 PM
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2. One thing that came of it was the firestorm of the City of Angels
   
a slum in Panama City where we used Dresden-like firestorm bombing to annihilate around 100,00 souls in one night.

Oh, yeah, one other thing.
Manuel Noriega is being held in incommunicado solitary confinement for the rest of his life.

Why did we invade?

Noriega said he wasn't worried about the US because "I've got George Bush by the balls".

Do not insult the Carpetbagger He-Men of Connecticut, they NEVER fight fair. They will kill your women and children.
Every time.
   
dchill  (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-26-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. "Carpetbagger He-Men of Connecticut..."
   
You have made me laugh. Say, you don't like the Bushes, do you? BTW, your brief summary is about all I know about the Panama invasion, and I watched it on my TV. But does your typo (100,00) mean 10,000 or 100,000?

Wasn't Noriega moving drugs through Panama to the US for the CIA? (Or something like that.) That might have made him think he had Bush by the balls.

TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Mar-26-06 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. No, I don't like them...
   
I know more about those bastards than I want to know.

Yes, I intended to type "one hundred thousand".

Noriega was facilitating the drug trade through Panama.

When we froze cash transfers between the US and Panama, Morgan, Chase, and the other big NY-based banks were drowning in large cash bills. They were renting barns in Upstate NY to store hundred dollar bills. I know this first-hand.
   
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2536845

Tom waxes more about his vietnam days.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun May-21-06 09:23 PM
Original message
Any combat vets watch Baghdad ER?

What was your take?

I cannot decide whether or not to watch.

After 30+ years, I caught Apocalypse Now the other night.

I had seen it when it came out and it had minimal efect on me. And I was a River Patrol Pilot.

My girlfriend had never seen it and I clicked into it midway through the other night.

I didn't last 5 minutes

MichiganVote  (1000+ posts) Sun May-21-06 09:31 PM
Response to Original message
1. If they can live it, you can watch it. Seriously.
   
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun May-21-06 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Problem is..
   
I have lived it, too.

I just want to hear from some fellow combat vets that have seen it before it comes on out here (CA).

Because I want to sleep tonight.
   
MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Sun May-21-06 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Then you've done your time hon', stay away, you won't sleep
   
This is not for you, its for the one's who haven't been where you've been. Sleep tight.
 
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun May-21-06 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Thanks for the tip.
   
After 3 tours of River Patrol, longrange recon (into Laos), and target extraction (which involved a good bit of Close Quarters Combat), I have had a pretty good handle on my emotions over the years.

Lately, though, I have found myself a bit weepy and brittle regarding the current outrage.
   
Scoody Boo  (634 posts) Sun May-21-06 10:22 PM
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12. I watched it.
   
I jumped into Panama with 3rd Ranger Batallion in 1989. And served in Desert Storm. I did two six month contracts with a security company in Iraq.

I was undecided about whether I was going to watch it until it started. It was a very poignant film. I felt bad for the soldiers. I still see troops with a Sergeant's eye and consider them "my guys."
 
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun May-21-06 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Thanks, Scoody Boo
   
I wanted to hear from someone who has been there.

I pulled 3 tours of River Patrol and longrange recon in Vietnam.

12 of us made it back (out of 74).

I do not want those old sounds to rattle around inside my head tonight.

Scoody Boo  (634 posts) Mon May-22-06 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. I was a brand new Buck Sergeant...
   
and lost one of my soldiers in Panama. A good kid, even though he was a committed smartass. I held his hand, looked into his eyes and lied to him. Told him it was nothing. Told him we'd be getting lap dances back in Columbus, Georgia before he knew it. To this day, I mourn him.

Watching that Marine, valiantly struggle and fight for his life, and finally succumb to his injuries really got to me. I know exactly what the medics and surgeons rooting for this brave troop pull through were feeling.

I know those surgeons and medics wished that he had died right away if he was going to die anyway. When you watch a soldier fight so hard to live so futilely, you can't help but make a huge emotional investment. It HAS to hurt in the end.

TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts)Mon May-22-06 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. I know just how you felt.
   
We had to bring guys back for miles on the river. Racing the clock, almost always in vain.
   
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1253279

This is a repeat of the above thread with slightly different results.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sat May-20-06 12:49 AM
Original message
Any combat vets here who are gonna watch 'Baghdad ER'?
   
Edited on Sat May-20-06 01:05 AM by TomInTib
I am going to give it a shot (no pun intended, I just typed it without thinking).

After pulling 3 tours of river patrol in Vietnam, I went with a buddy (sniper, Army) to see Apocalypse Now.

No problem. He thought the movie didn't look like anything he had seen. It pretty well represented what I had been into, except highly stylized and blown out.

A couple of weeks ago, I noticed the movie on the cable guide.
My sweetheart, having never seen it, wanted to watch it.
We got in about halfway.

I lasted less than 5 minutes.

I guess I was hardened and ready, way back then. But I cannot take it today. Guess the bravado of Youth has faded.

But I am going to catch this one.

I suppose we owe it to those taking the hit.

babylonsister  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)     Sat May-20-06 12:58 AM
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2. Hi, Tom. I saw the mom of a kid who died on this show. Prior to that,
   
she never knew how her child died, and she was strangely comforted. She knew he was taken care of to the best of the ability of a hospital in Iraq, he was loved, he was encouraged to live.
If you can bear it, watch it. We have a connection, because I have a b-i-l who is forever affected by VN and will never get over it, ever. He was a tunnel rat for a year, and it ruined him, and continues to influence his life all these years later. PTSD? It happens to many; we won't even realize the secondary problems we're creating.
 
TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat May-20-06 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. That's it. The mother of that kid.
   
I was never really afraid of dying, but I lived in abject fear of my Mother hearing that knock at her door.

I knew three tunnel rats. Two of them took their own lives. There was no harder duty pulled than that - ever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1242267

Panama thread.. "I knows things from my time as a supa sekrit Special Ranger SEAL forces general"

Roland99  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-27-07 04:40 PM
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So, Noriega was taken down because he knew too much about Iran/Contra?
   
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I must admit to ignorance surrounding the whole "capturing" of Noriega. I know the cover story was he was funneling drugs but wasn't he in tight w/ol' Col. Ollie? Was Noriega going to let loose with his knowledge of the Iran/Contra affair?

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-27-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. It was a hell of a lot more than that.
   
See #5 below.

I only wish that I could post all that I know about it (straight to prison - or worse - if I do).

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-27-07 04:50 PM
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5. Iran/Contra and cocaine.
   
Funny, I was there.

God, it seems like another lifetime.

Next time you get to Panama City, check out the huge hotel/casino development on the way in from the airport.

That was where El Chorrillo once stood. A barrio filled with more than 100,000 innocent souls who all perished within a few hours of our firestorming (a la Dresden) the place.

TomInTib  Donating Member Fri Jul-27-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. Hey, Pitt...
   
see #5.

That was the thing I wanted to "talk" to you about a few months ago when you wanted to interview me about something else (maybe my time spent in military solitary confinement).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1454456

{I'm gonna have to dig deeper into this "solitary confinement" thing. Mayhap there be some more classic TomTalesâ„¢ to be found   }

[Rebel]

TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 02:00 AM
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3. Get ready, the old guys are next.
   
I was called back in '89 for the Panama deal after being out of service since '72.

And I am eligible until 2012.

I will be 62, then.

More f'n lies. Your selective service contract is 8 years. He didn't retire and him being "Special Forces", yeah right, doesn't change that.

Tom, face it, you're a ****ing liar. You can challenge me on it all you want, but I'm pretty sure I have more time in service and know a shitload more servicemembers than you do, to include real Special Forces. Not one's that played one on the innerwebs.

[delilahmused]

Well you learn something new everyday...TiT, it appears, is independently wealthy! How else to explain having a government job (even SEAL Team 3 earns government wages), was an ex-con and currently works at a gift shop, but was able to afford the finest legal representation possible:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5584581

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Mon Dec-12-05 11:05 PM
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5. I, on the other hand, was guilty of every crime I've ever been
   charged with.

But I could afford great legal help and got off relatively light every time.

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Cindie

[delilahmused]

This is a link to the Eagle's Nest Forum discussion about TiT. I'm bringing the link here because some of the commentary is helpful to understanding how those who HAVE served know TiT is lying about his service.

http://www.usvetdsp.com/eagle/viewtopic.php?p=17126&sid=1c19ab78bfac92b8bd125d0af54afede

Cindie

[delilahmused]

OK, I was right...he's rich, but got there trough hard work and perserverance. Anyone buy that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x33124

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Tue Apr-25-06 12:47 AM
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5. What would you prefer?
   I, personally, detest the word "rich" when used to describe those with money/assets.

It's like we are made of Devil's Food Cake rather than hard work and perserverance.

What is wrong with "wealthy"?

So what would you rather use than "homosexual"?

Just wondering.

Thanks
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Would that be the Marie Antoinette syndrome?

Cindie

[bijou]

TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-20-06 02:00 AM
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3. Get ready, the old guys are next.
   
I was called back in '89 for the Panama deal after being out of service since '72.

And I am eligible until 2012.

I will be 62, then.

More f'n lies. Your selective service contract is 8 years. He didn't retire and him being "Special Forces", yeah right, doesn't change that.

Tom, face it, you're a ****ing liar. You can challenge me on it all you want, but I'm pretty sure I have more time in service and know a shitload more servicemembers than you do, to include real Special Forces. Not one's that played one on the innerwebs.

He was born in 1950, if he spent 8 years in the special forces and left in 1972, that would make him 14 when he joined.

[delilahmused]

And again the call up until he's age 62. Does anyone know for how long they can be recalled? Is it longer for Special Forces than regular folk?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x25983

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-24-07 10:31 AM
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2. In a sense, we already have such a force. And I am part of it.
   As an out-of-sevice Special Ops, I am eligible for callup until the age of 62.

I was sent to Panama in 1989, seventeen years after I left SE Asia.

But I, too, was disturbed by the mention of this "reserve corps" last night. My sweetheart was (as usual) talking over bush and I was not quite sure that I heard what I heard.

Thanks for posting this.
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Cindie

[stickyboot]

OK, I was right...he's rich, but got there trough hard work and perserverance. Anyone buy that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x33124

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Tue Apr-25-06 12:47 AM
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5. What would you prefer?
   I, personally, detest the word "rich" when used to describe those with money/assets.

It's like we are made of Devil's Food Cake rather than hard work and perserverance.

What is wrong with "wealthy"?

So what would you rather use than "homosexual"?

Just wondering.

Thanks
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Would that be the Marie Antoinette syndrome?

Cindie

I think living in Tiburon allows him to bask in the illusion that he is one of them. If he ever accumulated anything (in his name or girlfriend's) you can just bet it wasn't by legitimate means.

[HACKSAW]

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Fri Jul-27-07 04:50 PM
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5. Iran/Contra and cocaine.
   
Funny, I was there.

God, it seems like another lifetime.

Next time you get to Panama City, check out the huge hotel/casino development on the way in from the airport.

That was where El Chorrillo once stood. A barrio filled with more than 100,000 innocent souls who all perished within a few hours of our firestorming (a la Dresden) the place.

 
Hey TiT, El Chorrillo is STILL a barrio and it is NOT located near the airport. El Corrillo is located near the canal and "Bridge of the Americas" on the south side of town. The airport is on the north end of Panama City near Tocumen.

Then again, what do I know. I was just an Air Force Cop working Town Patrol who went through El Chorrillo every single day!

The only thing you had right was that the commendancia was located in El Chorrillo aside from that, pure Bullshit!

[DixieBelle]

Wow. This guy can't shut up can he??

[franksolich]

Oh my.

It looks to me as if the lying titty primitive shouldn't be posting without an atlas by his side, for consultation.

[HACKSAW]

Oh my.

It looks to me as if the lying titty primitive shouldn't be posting without an atlas by his side, for consultation.

What he forgot to mention was that those "Innocent Souls" were members of Noriega's Dignity Battalians and that they moved to Chorrillo to act as human shields. They also set fire to their own hooches to slow the advance of US forces towards the Commandancia.

Wait a minute. He might be talking about what was once Albrook AFB. I think they turned it into an airport. Still, El Corrillo is not really near Albrook.

[Rebel]

We killed 100,000 in a few hours? 

[franksolich]

We killed 100,000 in a few hours?

We killed 100,000 in Panama at all?

Given the small population of Panama in 1989, a hundred thousand would have been a significant chunk, and I'm sure our own American America-bashing news-media would've been all over the story like the Bostonian Drunkard over a keg of beer.

[delilahmused]

Well, heck...put this guy on the border...he can spot illegals and junkies!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3198600

So, does TiT consider himself among the nontaxpaying riders?

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Wed Apr-23-08 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. I have taken to public transportation for the first time in my life.
   Here in the Bay Area we have one of the best public transportation systems in the country, Golden Gate Transit.

It should be re-named the Central American Express.

Often, I am the only non-Hispanic passenger on the bus. And this system is almost completely underwritten with taxpayer money.

The only taxpayer on the bus is the driver.
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Oops...almost gets caught being unPC:

SemiCharmedQuark  (1000+ posts)         Thu Apr-24-08 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
46. How do you know that? Does hispanic automatically mean illegal?
   I'm hispanic. I ride the bus. I pay taxes. WTF?
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-24-08 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #46
64. I grew up along the Texas border.
   I can spot an immigrant from a mile away.

Just the same as I can pick out any junkie in a crowd, being a fellow (long-time) heroin addict.

You should know what I mean.
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mac2  (1000+ posts)       Thu Apr-24-08 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. I don't know if I could spot an immigrant who is here
   illegally except they usually travel in groups.

I could not tell a person on drugs except they seem very restless and wound up. I worked in laboratories doing drug research and analysis most my life but have no clue of many drug people. I can't say I grew up with or had any friends with drug problems. I'm from an older generation.
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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Thu Apr-24-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. I may have misspoken.
   What I should have said is that I can spot a first-generation Central American with uncanny accuracy.

Anyone who has spent decades in S Texas can do the same.

But junkies, man I am 100%. And I am approaching 60, myself.
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[delilahmused]

He doesn't just get a lap dance...he gets a Laplander. Amazing how this little tribal girl, who lived such a traditional life, could end up in Tiburon living with a junkie who used to be...oh why bother everyone except the DUmmies know he couldn't possibly be part of the nonexistent SEAL Team 3. Of course, DUmmies just lap up this crap about hearing the stories of iindigenous peoples and the wisdom they could share...sheesh!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3102194#3102269

TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-14-07 08:21 PM
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18. My girlfriend's family lives North of the Circle (Norway)
   They are a nomadic family of reindeer herders, living in skin huts and living the same life they have led for countless generations, very traditional. But this is the end of that kind of life.

The stories they tell will make you weep.
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 IndyOp  (1000+ posts)         Fri Dec-14-07 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #18
36. Tom - Can you write the stories down & post them?
   It is so, so important for us to hear the indigenous people right now.


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 TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-14-07 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. I will try to get Torrild to write some of them.
   Problem is, she cannot spell worth a shit.

"Torrild", in Laplander, means Goddess of Thunder. And she is every bit of that.

You would just not believe the history of these people and the hardships that they are suffering. And they are totally unprepared.
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 IndyOp  (1000+ posts)         Fri Dec-14-07 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. She could talk and you could type - or - videotape her telling her stories
   and post them on Youtube. The only way that people will take the necessary action is when we feel as if we intimately know the people whose lives are being devastated now. I think it was Gandhi who said that the world will truly be one when we feel the death of a child in India as acutely as we feel the death of a child in our own town - we've got to make the people's of the world more interconnected, quickly!
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And then...crickets.

Cindie

[stickyboot]

He doesn't just get a lap dance...he gets a Laplander. Amazing how this little tribal girl, who lived such a traditional life, could end up in Tiburon living with a junkie who used to be...oh why bother everyone except the DUmmies know he couldn't possibly be part of the nonexistent SEAL Team 3. Of course, DUmmies just lap up this crap about hearing the stories of iindigenous peoples and the wisdom they could share...sheesh!

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TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-14-07 08:21 PM
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18. My girlfriend's family lives North of the Circle (Norway)
   They are a nomadic family of reindeer herders, living in skin huts and living the same life they have led for countless generations, very traditional. But this is the end of that kind of life.

The stories they tell will make you weep.
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 IndyOp  (1000+ posts)         Fri Dec-14-07 09:40 PM
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36. Tom - Can you write the stories down & post them?
   It is so, so important for us to hear the indigenous people right now.


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 TomInTib  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-14-07 10:03 PM
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39. I will try to get Torrild to write some of them.
   Problem is, she cannot spell worth a shit.

"Torrild", in Laplander, means Goddess of Thunder. And she is every bit of that.

You would just not believe the history of these people and the hardships that they are suffering. And they are totally unprepared.
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 IndyOp  (1000+ posts)         Fri Dec-14-07 10:07 PM
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41. She could talk and you could type - or - videotape her telling her stories
   and post them on Youtube. The only way that people will take the necessary action is when we feel as if we intimately know the people whose lives are being devastated now. I think it was Gandhi who said that the world will truly be one when we feel the death of a child in India as acutely as we feel the death of a child in our own town - we've got to make the people's of the world more interconnected, quickly!
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And then...crickets.

Cindie

I think the Laplander - no last name only "Torrild" or "Torild" depending on how he feels like spelling it - is supposed to be some sort of famous filmmaker/documentarian, and a Ms. Norway entry to the Miss Universe contest, only nobody's heard of her on those counts, either. Surprise, surprise.

However, this reminds me of another bullshit story he was telling about another gorgeous girlfriend, I think one of the New York friends (and what happened to all that?), who had dinner with some well-known man who was pathetic about being out with a beautiful woman and cried several times? A politician or newscaster? TiT supposedly had the promise of the girlfriend to write out the particulars, and to my knowledge, it never happened. Maybe you can find it.

Finally, he recently bragged on his younger son getting his "first" haircut at age 25. You know, one of the two sons who never allowed to have a social security number while in school and both of whom dropped out of high school with his blessings, apparently in the middle of his alleged lost heroin years. It does make you wonder whether that was the major-league ballplayer son or the percussionist touring with Santana son (you know, the guy who's not on any of Santana's current or past band rosters).

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However, this reminds me of another bullshit story he was telling about another gorgeous girlfriend, I think one of the New York friends (and what happened to all that?), who had dinner with some well-known man who was pathetic about being out with a beautiful woman and cried several times? A politician or newscaster? TiT supposedly had the promise of the girlfriend to write out the particulars, and to my knowledge, it never happened. Maybe you can find it.

It was Michael Savage.

TomInTib  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-12-08 09:07 PM
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5. A friend of mine had lunch with Michael Weiner Savage not long ago.
   
Effing hilarious.

This friend of mine is a stunning (and I do mean stunning) woman and her account of the lunch is simply great.

The guy lives in total fear of his mother, who phones him every few minutes.

And he was a stumbling, bumbling, drooling cretin in the presence of this beautiful woman, my friend. He even told her that he could not believe he was sitting across the table from a woman like that.

She said he was one of the most pathetic creatures she has ever encountered.

I will see if she will type an account of it and I will post it under my name.

Tom

TomInTib  Donating Member  Wed Mar-12-08 09:21 PM
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8. Oh, she has already agreed.
   
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:22 PM by TomInTib
And I mean, it is damned funny!

The guy is like some character out of CentCast.

A sniveling, grovelling little shit.

He even told her that he had no courage unless he was behind a microphone. Cried a couple of times.

I will get her to work on this over the weekend.

She is a great writer, to boot. Maybe I will send it to some other sites.

I am glad you posted what you did, or I might have forgotten about it (having only learned about this lunch thing over the last few days).

Hah!!1111!1!!11

Tom

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This Michael Savage celebrity--was this where the lying titty primitive made that one really stupid gaffe, thinking the mother of Michael Savage was still alive, and quoting her, when in fact she's been departed from this world for a while now?

Or am I thinking of the mother of some other celebrity?

If I remember correctly, it was about the same time as this Michael Savage deal.