So will DU let the facts in the Zimmerman case be presented?

[Freeper]

johnnie
 
So will DU let the facts in the Zimmerman case be presented?

Or has everyone made up their minds?

I think that Zimmerman is guilty of murder of some degree, but all we have right now is "facts" based on internet rumor. I know that the majority of DU will have a collective orgasm if Zimmerman is sentenced to death, but are you waiting for the facts to come forward or have you made up your mind?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002549824 johnnie

They have made up their minds.

21. It's not odd

The majority of people here have already convicted Zimmerman and wanted his arrest and now that he is arrested and charges have been brought, I was just wondering if people here will do as the Reverend Al said and abide by the jury system or will they whine if it doesn't turn out the way they want.

They will whine and cry if Zimmerman isn't hanged at dawn.

Scuba
30. I think the majority want a fair trial. That's what has been missing.

And as usual fair is defined as only the outcome that they want, anything else is unfair.
It's just like the New Black Panties saying they would give him a fair trial. 

AtomicKitten
5. Got my pitchfork and just lit the torch. I'm ready.

* JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON *

uppityperson
45. He DID walk away from this until media brought enough attention to it.

That's just the facts.

The media did a fantastic job of painting him as a racist, everything from mishearing him on the 911 tapes, to creative editing to make it sound like Zimmerman said his being black was suspicious. Alan Grayson is probably proud of the media for using one of his tricks.

bowens43
22. As far as I'm concerned

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the fact that he had a hand gun and Trayvon Martin was unarmed , and is now dead, is all the evidence that is needed.


the bastard needs to spend the rest of his life in jail.....it's just too bad the asshole that sold gun won't be prosecuted with him.

Too bad Zimmerman didn't just blow away a cop then the DUmp would love him. 

[franksolich]

Personally, I'd rather hear the primitives justify the re-election of the Magic One, given the unemployment numbers, the rate of inflation, the growth in public indebtedness, high gasoline prices, those sorts of things.

For some odd reason, the primitives seem to be evading these issues.

[Elspeth]

They don't want a fair trial, they want a conviction.

Before they "rush to judgment" however, they should take a look at this website:

Misconceptions in the Trayvon Martin Case

Just a sample:

George Zimmerman was simply let go at the scene.

Zimmerman was not simply “released” at the scene by the Sanford police.

He was handcuffed and placed in the back of the squad car where he first received treatment for his injuries.

Cuffed and brought in.

Police then questioned Zimmerman for five hours at police headquarters the night of February 26th. All of that was without an attorney present.

A very risky move for Zimmerman, but he apparently felt he had nothing to hide.

AND  

George Zimmerman was bigger than Trayvon.

George Zimmerman weighed more than Trayvon. That only matters when the extra weight in question is muscle.

By all accounts, Zimmerman was not in good shape. He was out of breath on the 911 call after jogging for only a few seconds.

Trayvon had a six inch height advantage, as well as a ten year age advantage, and was generally much more fit overall.

Update: Surprise, the weight figures the media was pushing for Zimmerman were nowhere near accurate.

While he weighed 240 lbs. back in 2005, he has lost a considerable amount of weight in the last seven years. Zimmerman is described by friends as currently weighing only 170 lbs.

Zimmerman is currently 5’8 / 170 lbs.

[RWKindaGuy]

Personally, I'd rather hear the primitives justify the re-election of the Magic One, given the unemployment numbers, the rate of inflation, the growth in public indebtedness, high gasoline prices, those sorts of things.

For some odd reason, the primitives seem to be evading these issues.

And so has the President.  He'd rather comment on the Martin case, or go on about the Buffet rule.

[Elspeth]

Personally, I'd rather hear the primitives justify the re-election of the Magic One, given the unemployment numbers, the rate of inflation, the growth in public indebtedness, high gasoline prices, those sorts of things.

For some odd reason, the primitives seem to be evading these issues.

I actually don't care about that tonight.  I am far more concerned that an innocent man is being railroaded into a conviction.

Sorry.  It's just really upsetting that the mob can demand and get their way by screaming loud enough.  It's like the Duke case all over again.

[USA4ME]

johnnie
 
So will DU let the facts in the Zimmerman case be presented?

If you have to ask...

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[franksolich]

I actually don't care about that tonight.  I am far more concerned that an innocent man is being railroaded into a conviction.

Sorry.  It's just really upsetting that the mob can demand and get their way by screaming loud enough.  It's like the Duke case all over again.

But what makes you think the mob, in the end, is going to get what the mob wants?

I don't think they will; I suspect justice will prevail.  In the end.

[thundley4]

But what makes you think the mob, in the end, is going to get what the mob wants?

I don't think they will; I suspect justice will prevail.  In the end.

Since Zimmerman is entitled to a jury of his peers, are they going to find 12 white Hispanics to impanel?

[Elspeth]

But what makes you think the mob, in the end, is going to get what the mob wants?

I don't think they will; I suspect justice will prevail.  In the end.

Your lips to God's ears, Frank.

But I lived in LA during the OJ trial and I've watched this kind of thing for a long time.  Zimmerman's lawyer (Mara) seems weak, despite his reputation, and Zimmerman, himself, is doing things like setting up websites and trying to talk to the Special Prosecutor without representation.  In fact, the night of the shooting, he talked to the police, without an attorney present, for 5 hours.  He was reportedly very upset at the killing and, with all his Catholic background, may feel unnecessarily guilty for it.  I'm afraid he's either going to fold and plea to manslaughter, or that his attorneys will serve him badly at trial.  

[franksolich]

Your lips to God's ears, Frank.

But I lived in LA during the OJ trial and I've watched this kind of thing for a long time.  Zimmerman's lawyer (Mara) seems weak, despite his reputation, and Zimmerman, himself, is doing things like setting up websites and trying to talk to the Special Prosecutor without representation.  In fact, the night of the shooting, he talked to the police, without an attorney present, for 5 hours.  He was reportedly very upset at the killing and, with all his Catholic background, may feel unnecessarily guilty for it.  I'm afraid he's either going to fold and plea to manslaughter, or that his attorneys will serve him badly at trial.  

Well, we'll see, but I have a (happy) sense of foreboding this is not going to end well for the primitives.

[Freeper]

I actually don't care about that tonight.  I am far more concerned that an innocent man is being railroaded into a conviction.

Sorry.  It's just really upsetting that the mob can demand and get their way by screaming loud enough.  It's like the Duke case all over again.

I don't know if he is innocent or not. I do know though, the media has gone out of their way to paint him as a racist, going as far as doctoring tapes. I also know the New Black Panties committed an illegal act and not a peep about it.

[Elspeth]

Well, we'll see, but I have a (happy) sense of foreboding this is not going to end well for the primitives.

I wish I had your confidence...or your tea leaves!

Here's Mark O'Mara's profile: Zimmerman's New Attorney

[Elspeth]

I don't know if he is innocent or not. I do know though, the media has gone out of their way to paint him as a racist, going as far as doctoring tapes. I also know the New Black Panties committed an illegal act and not a peep about it.

You need to read some of the debunking of the press nonsense in this case.  A great site is this one:

http://www.wagist.com/

Lots of info.  Stuff I have thought about and documented on CU plus much, much more.  

Almost immediately, within around thirty-seven minutes after the shooting, Zimmerman was already waiving his right to an attorney. He then proceeded to interview with the police for several hours without any legal representation present.

Then the next day, still without any attorney present or legal advice, Zimmerman took the police back to the scene of the shooting at the Retreat at Twin Lakes, and reenacted what happened on the evening of February 26th with them, step-by-step on video.

Had Zimmerman’s narrative and recounting of the details of that evening been any less than 100% consistent, that’s the moment when everything would have fallen apart for him — sometime right around February 27th. The police had every reason and opportunity to document and doggedly pursue any differences they saw between Zimmerman’s initial interview and his video re-enactment the following day.

Rather than finding anything they could follow up with, what happened instead? The Sanford Police Department was unable to obtain any evidence that would allow them to press even involuntary manslaughter charges against Zimmerman. And no new evidence changed that, even as days and weeks passed.

Also this interesting tidbit from a commenter:

I'm surprised to see the New York Times has raised questions about Mary Cutcher's version(s) of events. "...Police have said that Ms. Cutcher’s sworn testimony differed from what she has said later...." http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html?ref=us

Cutcher was used to support the idea of the "little boy" (her words) screaming to counteract Zimmerman's account.  Unfortunately for her, there was an eyewitness, so we'll see.

[Freeper]

You need to read some of the debunking of the press nonsense in this case.  A great site is this one:

http://www.wagist.com/

Lots of info.  Stuff I have thought about and documented on CU plus much, much more. 



Also this interesting tidbit from a commenter:

Cutcher was used to support the idea of the "little boy" (her words) screaming to counteract Zimmerman's account.  Unfortunately, there was an eyewitness, so we'll see.

I'm withholding judgement until all the facts come in. I am not jumping on either bandwagon.

[Duke Nukum]

Personally, I'd rather hear the primitives justify the re-election of the Magic One, given the unemployment numbers, the rate of inflation, the growth in public indebtedness, high gasoline prices, those sorts of things.

For some odd reason, the primitives seem to be evading these issues.

Those things are as invisible to the primitives as the simile that won't come to me now is to me.

[Elspeth]

I'm withholding judgement until all the facts come in. I am not jumping on either bandwagon.

Look, I'm not asking you to jump on a bandwagon.  I'm asking you to look at a site that debunks what you have been hearing.  The most important thing is the timeline of events.  

For example, what time was Trayvon killed?  I heard two KFI talkshow hosts still repeating the family's story that Trayvon had left the house during halftime of the NBA All Stars game.  That can't be true: The NBA game started at 7:30, the same exact time that Trayvon was being pronounced dead by the Sanford Fire Department paramedic after several minutes of lifesaving techniques.  Trayvon never saw that game, no less made it to halftime.

The family has been muddying the waters about many things including the time.  The real times are on the link I showed you.  Zimmerman's call went in at 7:09.  His call ends just after 7:13.  The first 911 call from the neighbors comes in at 7:16.  The police arrive (according to the police report) around 7:19 when Trayvon has already been shot.

The website does a fantastic job of syncing up all the times, with both Zimmerman's account, Trayvon's girlfriend's account, public records of the calls, and a map of the area.

That's why I am recommending it.  It's the one place that's not just political invective.  It actually has some meat to it.  I analyzed the tape myself and I know exactly what they are referring to.  It's real evidence, not crap.

Just read this.