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Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« on: May 12, 2008, 11:00:45 AM »
proof of voter ID couldn't be any more urgent in missouri, scene of the most egregious voter
registration frauds that have ever happened outside of south america.  ACORN turned the system
on it's head for the mid-terms, and turned a state that elected bush in 2004 53%-46% into a state
that elected that mccaskill woman over jim talent 50%-47%.  StL county is rife with corruption
in all aspect of the election process, including arbitrarily extending the hours of voting, just in case
the last 15,000 pets, dead people, convicts, and illegal immigrants have been unfairly deprived of
their right to help steal an election.


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Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship

NEW YORK - The battle over voting rights will expand this week when lawmakers in Missouri are expected to support a proposed constitutional amendment that would allow election officials to require proof of citizenship from anyone registering to vote.
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The measure is a far more rigorous demand than the voter identification requirement recently upheld by the Supreme Court, in which Indiana voters had to prove their identity with a government-issued card.

Sponsors of the amendment - which would then require the approval of voters to go into effect, possibly in an August referendum - say it would prevent illegal immigrants from affecting the political process, but critics say it could disenfranchise tens of thousands of legal residents who would find it hard to prove their citizenship.

Specialists on election policies say the Missouri amendment represents the next logical step for those who have supported stronger voter ID requirements and the next battleground in how elections are conducted.

Similar measures are being considered in at least 19 state legislatures. The bills in Oklahoma, Kansas, South Carolina, and Florida have strong support, but only Missouri's has a chance of taking effect before the presidential election.

In Arizona, the only state with a similar requirement, more than 38,000 voter registration applications have been thrown out since the state adopted its measure, called Proposition 200, in 2004, according to the election data obtained through a lawsuit filed by voting rights advocates and provided to The New York Times. More than 70 percent of those registrations came from people who stated under oath that they were born in the United States, the data showed.

Twenty-five states require some form of identification at the polls, and more may soon decide to do so now that the Supreme Court has upheld the practice. Democrats have criticized these requirements as implicitly designed to keep lower-income voters from the polls, and are likely to fight even more fiercely now that the requirements are expanding to include immigration status.

"Three forces are converging on the issue: security, immigration, and election verification," said Robert A. Pastor, codirector of the Center for Democracy and Election Management at American University in Washington.

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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2008, 11:42:04 AM »
Heads will explode! This is all realy pathetic to me. Is it really too much to ask for a voter to be a legal citizen and show proof?
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2008, 01:42:41 PM »
Heads will explode! This is all realy pathetic to me. Is it really too much to ask for a voter to be a legal citizen and show proof?

For democrats....yes......

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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2008, 01:52:11 PM »
Heads will explode! This is all realy pathetic to me. Is it really too much to ask for a voter to be a legal citizen and show proof?

honesty could really cause problems in StL county. :-)  everyone knows what ACORN has done;  the dems will just stop at nothing to keep the theft going.

the IN law was just upheld by the SCOTUS.  it's not like there is any question of the constitutionality of requiring photo IDs to register and to vote any more.


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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 08:28:43 AM »

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Voter ID bill appears headed to voters

JEFFERSON CITY — A measure to require government-issued photo identification for voting is moving quickly through the Republican-led Legislature and might be before voters as early as this summer.

A proposed constitutional amendment zipped through a Senate committee on a party-line vote Monday after the chairman turned away a roomful of opponents who had waited more than an hour to testify.

Republicans said government IDs were needed to prevent fraud and build confidence in the election system.

"It just makes sense," said Sen. Delbert Scott, R-Lowry City. "You have to have a photo ID to get on a plane, to rent a video, to buy Sudafed."


Democrats, led by Secretary of State Robin Carnahan, said the poor, the elderly and the disabled were most likely to lack drivers licenses and would be disenfranchised by such a law.

Carnahan said Missouri had experienced no voter impersonation fraud, so the legislation addressed "a mythical problem."

The Legislature passed a photo ID law in 2006, but the Missouri Supreme Court threw it out. The court said that law amounted to a "heavy and substantial burden on Missourians' free exercise of the right of suffrage."

Republicans revived the issue late last month, after the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Indiana's voter-identification law.

In Missouri, the new wording would authorize the state to require photo IDs and provide them at no cost to qualified residents who lack them.

Under the old law, voters had to show an unexpired Missouri drivers license, nondrivers ID, U.S. passport or military ID.

Although the state provided nondrivers IDs for free, many applicants first had to obtain birth certificates, which cost $15. Women whose names had changed needed additional documentation, such as certified marriage licenses, divorce decrees or court orders.

Scott said that this time, he wanted the state to pay for the underlying documents needed. He also wants to allow people age 65 and older to cast provisional ballots if they lack IDs.

If passed before the Legislature's 6 p.m. adjournment Friday, the constitutional amendment would be on the statewide ballot no later than Nov. 4. Alternatively, Gov. Matt Blunt could put the matter on the Aug. 5 ballot. His office said Monday that it was too soon to speculate on the timing.

Scott said that even under the fastest timetable, new ID requirements wouldn't take effect until 2010. Nevertheless, he is readying separate legislation to implement the ID requirement. He said the companion law could be passed this year, contingent on the constitutional amendment's approval.

The ID proposal, which was dormant until two weeks ago, now threatens to become the most polarizing issue of the 4½-month legislative session.

Several senators from each party met privately Monday to search for middle ground and see if they could avert a Democratic filibuster. But some said no truce was likely, which could lead Republicans to use a rare procedure to cut off debate.

Such a move would cause ill will and jeopardize passage of other legislation. If it comes to that, "I think there'll be a meltdown," said Sen. Jeff Smith, D-St. Louis.

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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 08:48:29 AM »
I'm SO sick of hearing that word "disenfranchised". Grrrrrrrrr!!!!

The libtards have no problem making sure that the "disenfranchised" get their govt cheese and other handouts. I have no doubt that the same forces could be mobilized to make sure they have proper ID to vote. Especially when we all know that the State will be required to pick up the cost. Grrrrrrrrr!
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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 08:50:11 AM »
I'm SO sick of hearing that word "disenfranchised". Grrrrrrrrr!!!!

The libtards have no problem making sure that the "disenfranchised" get their govt cheese and other handouts. I have no doubt that the same forces could be mobilized to make sure they have proper ID to vote. Especially when we all know that the State will be required to pick up the cost. Grrrrrrrrr!

"disenfranchised" is what howard dean did to the FL and MI dem primary voters. 

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Re: Voter ID battle in Mo. shifts to proof of citizenship
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 08:54:44 AM »
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Oh that's gonna leave a mark! :-)
I can see November 2 from my house!!!

Spread my work ethic, not my wealth.

Forget change, bring back common sense.
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No, my friends, there’s only one really progressive idea. And that is the idea of legally limiting the power of the government. That one genuinely liberal, genuinely progressive idea — the Why in 1776, the How in 1787 — is what needs to be conserved. We need to conserve that fundamentally liberal idea. That is why we are conservatives. --Bill Whittle