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Health care, here is what is nuts
Canada has a single payor system with 100% coverage. A pretty right wing President in Mexico, in a hybrid system, has achieved close to 90% coverage, and wants to achieve 100% as part of a social contract. We are still arguing and have a much higher cost per person than either other North American country... And we can argue they got better outcomes in more tan a few markers.
Interesting....
Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
The agreements show how a country with a national care system -- a proposal not part of the health care changes under discussion in Congress -- copes with demand for care with U.S. partnerships, rather than building new facilities.
Michael Vujovich, 61, of Windsor was taken to Detroit's Henry Ford Hospital for an angioplasty procedure after he went to a Windsor hospital in April. Vujovich said the U.S. backup doesn't show a gap in Canada's system, but shows how it works.
"I go to the hospital in Windsor and two hours later, I'm done having angioplasty in Detroit,"
http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U-S-get-health-careI wonder how long he would have had to wait in Canada? Would he still have been alive when his turn came up?
But, but, but! What about Mexico?
The ill have been going to local hospitals or clinics, but the idiosyncrasies of the health system mean the facilities they visit can depend on where they live, who they work for and how much money they make.
Mexicans have everything from a small, private system to huge universal health insurance programs that mix private, public and employer funding. Despite the array of services, it's an unequal system, says the Pan American Health Organization, "since the various providers receive different levels of payment and provide different levels of care at various levels of quality."
Public health-care spending in Mexico is rising, but it still has one of the lowest per capita expenditures among OECD countries, with just 6.6 per cent of gross domestic product (GDP). That worked out to about $800 per person in 2006.
Here's roughly how the Mexican private health system is structured:
- About three million wealthy and middle class Mexicans (and foreigners working in Mexico) pay private insurers to gain access to high-quality, state of the art medical services. Many Mexicans who are insured through the public insurance system also pay out of pocket for private care to get better service.
- About 50 million salaried Mexicans pay into an insurance scheme, along with their employers and the government, through the Institute of Social Security. The employee pays a progressive amount, according to his or her wage. The institute runs its own primary care units and state hospitals for insured workers, although the quality varies considerably. Critics say some establishments are not properly managed and lack adequate equipment. About 17 million state employees have a separate, parallel scheme...
Lois Howland... nursing teacher from San Diego, who has volunteered at an orphanage near Cuernavaca, says the health system remains fractured and many issues like medical training or followup are not well monitored.
"You're working with a country with limited resources," she says. "When I saw the Cuernavaca hospital, it looked like 1965."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2009/05/04/f-health-mexico-health-system.htmlSo, what the "universal" systems in Canada and Mexico tell us is that private facilities do a better job than government run facilities. Hmmmmm... That really doesn't jibe with what Supperman is saying, now does it? If one were to juxtapose what the "white Hispanic" is telling us vs what is actually happening, one may be inclined to deduce that nads is completely full of shit.
Then again, one doesn't have to read anything else to understand that....
Chew on that...
8. Kctim you are a Mexican Constitutional Scholar?
Are you, DUmmie? Considering your track record, well......
I know a few who are for real, including a former AG. Individual rights and the extent of government come regularly before the Supreme Court.
Quick, since you are such an expert, how many members are in the court, and what does it take to overturn laws? (Free hint, that was a lesson learned from the American Court)
13 Justices, a few Circuits
It takes a supermajority to overturn a law, no matter how smelly, passed by a state legislature.
Now I cannot comment on the canucks beyond pointing out that our common law and their common law has the same trunk, different branches, going to Magna Carta.
Nice non sequitur, nads, you must be getting your ass handed to you again.
Another free hint, we are not exceptional or that special, no matter how many times you tell yourself that.
If that is what you think, the border is a 20 minute SDMTS ride to your "motherland". Feel free to pay the toll and carry your fat ass out of this horrible and hateful country. When you get there, make sure you count how many are going North across the border than going South.
A "free hint": The answer will be the same as how many boats are coming to us than going away from us.
Chew on that, cholernica.
