It's cool to say 'cracker' on DU when referring to white folks?

[Ballygrl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/124069945#post2

Joe the Revelator
 
It's cool to say 'cracker' on DU when referring to white folks?
I'm a huge proponent of the jury system but they got this one wrong. 0-6 to keep it with no explanation given across the board. I was shocked.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=497248

backscatter712
1. I'm white and I don't care.

The word-policing is out of control.

HappyMe
4. Doesn't bother me in the least.

Sincerely,
Middle-aged white woman

Waiting For Everyman
6. Not offended by it.

Another middle-aged white woman.

RZM
8. This gets at a central queston about DU rules on the subject of race and racial slurs

Here is TOS statement about bigotry:

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic.

The question is, does this apply to white people? I would argue that it does, only because there is nothing here about exempting whites. So my reading of the rules shows terms like 'cracker' to be a TOS violation.

Obviously many people here disagree. But lacking any qualifying language in the rules about white people, I would vote to hide based on my interpretation of the TOS.

scarletwoman
10. "Cracker" is not a racial slur and white people are not an oppressed group.

Please get real. In the context of the post in which the term was used, it was referring to people holding racist attitudes. Do you want to see calling someone a "racist" also against TOS?

scarletwoman
16. The rules refer to classes of people who experience negative discrimination in the dominant culture.

"White people", as a class, are NOT discriminated against in the dominant culture, since they ARE the dominant culture.

scarletwoman
23. Rules written by white people for the largely white membership of DU.

How many whites do you know that think of themselves as an "ethnic group" - outside of white supremacists or proponents of the egregiously absurd notion of "reverse racism"?

The fact is, the generally unspoken assumption among white people is that OTHERS are defined by race and ethnic origins. White people are simply the default norm.

Bigotry and racism is ALWAYS about the power equation.

leftyohiolib
9. as a white person i find that word to be an equal to the other word like it

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it's a racial slur and shouldnt be used. . stupid is as stupid does works with out the racial slur

scarletwoman
11. So, is it a "racial slur" to call a white person a "racist"?

White people, being the dominant power in this country, simply can NOT, by definition, be oppressed by insults directed at them. It's utterly absurd to equate "cracker" with "n****r". Not only absurd, but extremely wrong.

Racism is ALWAYS about the power equation.

The Backlash Cometh
13. This is where PC Liberals trip themselves into irrelevance with their good intentions.

Crackers and rednecks don't mind being called crackers and rednecks. If it doesn't bother them, it shouldn't be censored.

Trailer trash or white trash, however, is derogatory.

Nye Bevan
63. "Cracker is a pejorative term for white people, poor and Southern whites especially...."

according to Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_%28pejorative%29

Probably better to say "poor Southern white" than "cracker" if you want to avoid causing offense.

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106. Yes, they got it wrong, but racial slurs against whites have never mattered here - nothing new.

Raising the issue is always met with laughing dismissal.

Racial slurs only matter, it seems, when they are from whites toward other ethnic groups.

A white person calling another ethic group member a racial slur? Destroy that person.

A person of an ethnic group other than white (European descent) calling a white person a racial slur? Haha. Whatever. Let's move on.

The hypocrisy is so blatant, and you and I will be raked over the coals for pointing it out.

emilyg
111. Whites and Catholics are

fair game on DU.

RC
140. Oh, those poor majorities.

How will Whites and Catholics ever survive being so oppressed? Being killed off for their land. Or hunted like animals. Or being worked to death like a common ox or mule. Convert to Christianity or DIE!

Wait a minute here! That's what Whites to do other people, simple because whites are the majority! Whites have a very long history of oppressing other people, people that have too much melanin to pass for white. Or facial features that do not adhere to white Anglo Saxon standards.

For the most part, it is we whites that need to back off. Most of us have no idea how good we have it. The only sandals/moccasins/foot wear most of us have ever walked in are our own store bought. And yet we sit in judgment of others for not rising to our standards. Never mind that their standards may be even better than ours.

 

[Skul]

From the most tolerant and civilized people on the planet.
Typical "stick it the man" attidude.

[Evil_Conservative]

[youtube=425,350]http://youtu.be/uTyg5rhGkX8[/youtube]

Why isn't my YouTube link showing up??  This is the link I posted in the YouTube tag.

http://youtu.be/uTyg5rhGkX8

[Freeper]

Personally cracker, whitey, honkey, and so on don't bother me in the least. However it is hypocritical that Chris Rock can say those words, yet if a white comedian made jokes using the N word he would be crucified.

I keep hearing how we whites have all the power, when in reality just because of the color of our skin we have to watch what we say so that someone of another skin color doesn't get offended, tell me just who has the power in this country. And, no DUmmies I'm not saying that I have any desire to use the N word, I just want the freedom to criticize the actions of people with different skin tones when they happen to be wrong.

[Vagabond]

[youtube=425,350]http://youtu.be/uTyg5rhGkX8[/youtube]

Why isn't my YouTube link showing up??  This is the link I posted in the YouTube tag.

http://youtu.be/uTyg5rhGkX8

I looked, I thought it would be this one...

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxv7xGJTxZU[/youtube]

[jukin]

0bama and Eric "My People" Holder have set race relations back a minimum of 50 years.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

**** Obama!

****in' haf cracka!


(Just seeing how it works.)

[thundley4]

How many whites do you know that think of themselves as an "ethnic group" - outside of white supremacists or proponents of the egregiously absurd notion of "reverse racism"?

Most conservative whites think of themselves as American first.


ETA: some conservatives of color do also.  I believe both Allen West and Herman Caine said that they are not hyphenated Americans, just Americans.

[GOBUCKS]

I've never given ethnicity a second thought, and always think it reflects poorly on people who do.

I'm an American.

[Rebel]

DUmmies remind me of that traitor in King Arthur. They want to see white people annihilated and actually think they'll be treated well afterwards. DUmbasses. Beggars of their own demise. Lenin had a word for'em.

[ChuckJ]

scarletwoman
10. "Cracker" is not a racial slur and white people are not an oppressed group.

Please get real. In the context of the post in which the term was used, it was referring to people holding racist attitudes. Do you want to see calling someone a "racist" also against TOS?

Actually "cracker" is a racial slur.

As for who's an oppressed group, I'm not sure any more. Is the oppressed group the one who is accused of racism at every turn? Or is the oppressed group the one who has a member holding the highest office of the land AND has a member as the Attorney General AND gets special consideration on government bids/contracts AND gets special consideration in college enrollment AND gets special consideration in employment?

Honestly, I think the real oppressed group is made up of patriotic Americans of all races who disagree with socialism/communism/liberalism, abortion, homosexuality, handouts, etc.

[JakeStyle]

If any person was to call me a cracker to my face, I would break their jaw or their nose, and probably do the same to their ribs once I had them on the floor.  I don't call anyone names and I expect the same.

Edited to add:  I currently work nights at 4th&B, a downtown San Diego nightclub.  I have done bouncer work whenever I was stateside and on my off time since 1983, while I was an active-duty Marine. 

The level of violence and racial hatred that I see nightly is unprecedented, things are going to get interesting.

[longview]

Cracker didn't used to be a bad thing.  It's still used by ranchers both in Fla and out here to describe cowboys who chouse cattle by using bull whips.  Heck we use them in the mountains.  But, like a lot of things, it got bastardized.  For me, it would depend on who was doing the calling.

Anybody on DU = a bad thing.

[BEG]

The Backlash Cometh
13. This is where PC Liberals trip themselves into irrelevance with their good intentions.

Crackers and rednecks don't mind being called crackers and rednecks. If it doesn't bother them, it shouldn't be censored.

Trailer trash or white trash, however, is derogatory.

What about SPAM Suckin' trailer trash?

[franksolich]

It's too bad the primitives never showed any such sensitivity towards the (R) vice-presidential candidate.

[franksolich]

If any person was to call me a cracker to my face, I would break their jaw or their nose, and probably do the same to their ribs once I had them on the floor.  I don't call anyone names and I expect the same.

Edited to add:  I currently work nights at 4th&B, a downtown San Diego nightclub.  I have done bouncer work whenever I was stateside and on my off time since 1983, while I was an active-duty Marine.

Whoa.

When I finally get around to winning the Powerball jackpot, I know who I'm going to put on the payroll to watch my back.

[obumazombie]

Being offended is an acquired taste.

[Wineslob]

DUmmies, one group of people decide to not get offended by blatant racist comments.

Another decides to create racism at the drop of a hat.....................

[Gina]

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106. Yes, they got it wrong, but racial slurs against whites have never mattered here - nothing new.

Raising the issue is always met with laughing dismissal.

Racial slurs only matter, it seems, when they are from whites toward other ethnic groups.

A white person calling another ethic group member a racial slur? Destroy that person.

A person of an ethnic group other than white (European descent) calling a white person a racial slur? Haha. Whatever. Let's move on.

The hypocrisy is so blatant, and you and I will be raked over the coals for pointing it out.

Pure AWESOMENESS with a touch of whipped cream! 

[Gina]

If any person was to call me a cracker to my face, I would break their jaw or their nose, and probably do the same to their ribs once I had them on the floor.  I don't call anyone names and I expect the same.

Edited to add:  I currently work nights at 4th&B, a downtown San Diego nightclub.  I have done bouncer work whenever I was stateside and on my off time since 1983, while I was an active-duty Marine. 

The level of violence and racial hatred that I see nightly is unprecedented, things are going to get interesting.

can ya get me in, Mr. Bouncer?   

[Chris_]

Racial slurs only matter if the 'victim' is demographically challenged.

[wasp69]

scarletwoman
11. So, is it a "racial slur" to call a white person a "racist"?

White people, being the dominant power in this country, simply can NOT, by definition, be oppressed by insults directed at them. It's utterly absurd to equate "cracker" with "n****r". Not only absurd, but extremely wrong.

Racism is ALWAYS about the power equation.

No, you stupid ****, it's not.  "Cracker" is equal to "******" which is equal to "spic" which is equal to "kike" which is equal to (fill in the blank)...  Only the most thoughtless and cretinous among us would have the gall to say that insulting someone for the lack of color in their skin is okay.  For that matter, it's preferred.

 

You ****in' idiots are losing this one and you know it.  You may not see it directly but you know your time is short.  Bi-racial relationships are seen as normal and no big deal in society.  The kids nowadays don't give a shit about the same things you claim are going on.

They really don't.

What's more, they are getting the clue as it applies to equality.  More people are now questioning why it is some in society can get away with using racial slurs but others can't.  Many are starting to take a good hard look at actual crime statistics and are questioning why it is nobody cares when blacks gun down each other and gun down non-blacks.  Less and less civilized people are giving a shit about the color of their friends and are concerning themselves more with the content of their character.

As it should be.

While the death of young Trayvon is tragic, it has served to flush out the shit among us for all of the world to see.  And, DUmmies, the people don't like what they see.

I have personally believed that the election of little lord hussein was a blessing to this country.  He has exposed the democrat party for what it really is and he did it better than any Conservative could have done with a thousand investigators.  You dipshits have done all of the work for us, you have marginalized yourselves to the point a moldy ham sandwich could beat barry in November. 

But further than that, and most importantly, your actions have reopened this festering sore that you created between the races in your attempts at "fairness".  It is a nasty, stinking, oozing wound that is going to cause many to recoil in horror but it will finally allow that wound to be properly treated.  That will happen through real ideas of equality for everyone, special treatment of none, making your own way and not making excuses...  It's happening, DUmmies, right before your very eyes.  History is being made and the veritable "tide" is starting to roll against you.  When real historians finally write of this period, many years from now, they will recount how a few privileged turds managed to abuse so many people for so very long.  Your methods and tactics will be scrutinized and deconstructed, they will be taught as a warning to those who value themselves and their freedoms.  It will be a study in how those you have used for so very long finally broke away from you and began to think for themselves.

When your own members are starting to wake up to reality and you shout them down, something has gone very wrong for you.  This is happening more and more, every single day and it shows no sign of stopping.  Your own forum members are starting to realize that 2+2 does indeed equal 4. 

You're done, DUmmies, you're just too stupid to realize it.

I will leave you with this:  If any of you or your retarded brethren want to find out if calling a white person "cracker" is taken as offensive, feel free to meet me and I'll show you.  The only thing I can promise you is that your lesson in "equality" will be brief, exciting, painful, and one that you shall never forget.

[Gina]

No, you stupid ****, it's not.  "Cracker" is equal to "******" which is equal to "spic" which is equal to "kike" which is equal to (fill in the blank)...  Only the most thoughtless and cretinous among us would have the gall to say that insulting someone for the lack of color in their skin is okay.  For that matter, it's preferred.

 

You ****in' idiots are losing this one and you know it.  You may not see it directly but you know your time is short.  Bi-racial relationships are seen as normal and no big deal in society.  The kids nowadays don't give a shit about the same things you claim are going on.

They really don't.

What's more, they are getting the clue as it applies to equality.  More people are now questioning why it is some in society can get away with using racial slurs but others can't.  Many are starting to take a good hard look at actual crime statistics and are questioning why it is nobody cares when blacks gun down each other and gun down non-blacks.  Less and less civilized people are giving a shit about the color of their friends and are concerning themselves more with the content of their character.

As it should be.

While the death of young Trayvon is tragic, it has served to flush out the shit among us for all of the world to see.  And, DUmmies, the people don't like what they see.

I have personally believed that the election of little lord hussein was a blessing to this country.  He has exposed the democrat party for what it really is and he did it better than any Conservative could have done with a thousand investigators.  You dipshits have done all of the work for us, you have marginalized yourselves to the point a moldy ham sandwich could beat barry in November. 

But further than that, and most importantly, your actions have reopened this festering sore that you created between the races in your attempts at "fairness".  It is a nasty, stinking, oozing wound that is going to cause many to recoil in horror but it will finally allow that wound to be properly treated.  That will happen through real ideas of equality for everyone, special treatment of none, making your own way and not making excuses...  It's happening, DUmmies, right before your very eyes.  History is being made and the veritable "tide" is starting to roll against you.  When real historians finally write of this period, many years from now, they will recount how a few privileged turds managed to abuse so many people for so very long.  Your methods and tactics will be scrutinized and deconstructed, they will be taught as a warning to those who value themselves and their freedoms.  It will be a study in how those you have used for so very long finally broke away from you and began to think for themselves.

When your own members are starting to wake up to reality and you shout them down, something has gone very wrong for you.  This is happening more and more, every single day and it shows no sign of stopping.  Your own forum members are starting to realize that 2+2 does indeed equal 4. 

You're done, DUmmies, you're just too stupid to realize it.

I will leave you with this:  If any of you or your retarded brethren want to find out if calling a white person "cracker" is taken as offensive, feel free to meet me and I'll show you.  The only thing I can promise you is that your lesson in "equality" will be brief, exciting, painful, and one that you shall never forget.

and if I may add.....  www.electstevedawes.com

[thundley4]

Maybe I'm alone in this way of thinking, but I do consider cracker to be an insult, but not redneck. 

[Gina]

Maybe I'm alone in this way of thinking, but I do consider cracker to be an insult, but not redneck. 

I just find it funny that while the hypocrisy pisses me off to no end, the word doesn't harm me.  I guess if you can figure out a word doesn't make you then it won't bother you.  Cracker is all you can come up with?  Honkey?     come on!