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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2012, 05:09:07 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on March 28, 2012, 05:05:14 PM
This paving the way to a single payer system, which IMO, has been the plan all along.

Exactly.
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2012, 05:13:58 PM »
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2012, 07:57:16 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on March 28, 2012, 12:04:21 PM
Regardless of what the MSM/Liberal "spin machine" states publicly, this is Obama's signature issue for his presidency, the only basis for any "legacy" at all........if this goes down, the electorate will breathe a huge sigh of relief, as many don't trust the Republicans to repeal it (especially Romney),  as to who gets the blame, I don't think anyone cares except the Liberal base......who will be greatly disheartened......this was their best opportunity since FDR to make large advances in their agenda......and they failed miserably......

The Obama administration will fall into obscurity far behind Carter, America's first "Affirmative Action" president, and in their heart of hearts, most will believe that it turned out just like everything else that Affirmative Action has spawned.....as a "speed bump" in American history.....a mistake that was corrected.

Tough shit.....

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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2012, 08:16:45 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on March 28, 2012, 11:28:33 AM
Technically they may have no choice......since the Democrats failed to include a severability clause.......

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A talking head on the radio was discussing this today. He said the severability clause WAS there, but the Democrats took it out at the last minute. It was removed deliberately to pressure the USSC, in other words, "Strike this down and you take health care away from ALL Americans!"
--So they went into this KNOWING it was unconstitutional. typical rats.

Methinks that ploy did not work so well with at least 5 justices, especially after Obama dissed them at the State of the union.

More discussion. It was suggested that one or both justices appointed by Obama may vote to repeal as well. this would remove the great yoke from Obama's neck in the election, and interesting from Romney's too.
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2012, 08:27:31 PM »
Quote from: Mr Mannn on March 28, 2012, 08:16:45 PM


More discussion. It was suggested that one or both justices appointed by Obama may vote to repeal as well. this would remove the great yoke from Obama's neck in the election, and interesting from Romney's too.


And the Obama campaign can blame the congress for not getting the bill right, and he can say that he will be more involved with the next bill.  (Lies)
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2012, 08:39:44 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on March 28, 2012, 12:04:21 PM
Regardless of what the MSM/Liberal "spin machine" states publicly, this is Obama's signature issue for his presidency, the only basis for any "legacy" at all........

Agreed.  Dear Leader's top legislative victory will have been deemed un-Constitutional, or IOW, he supported imposing something upon the American people that was ILLEGAL.  Doesn't matter which Republican wins the nomination, that's something that can be pounded day after day after day in every stump speech given.  The current POTUS, the one sworn to uphold the Constitution, made the centerpiece of his first (and hopefully only) term a Bill that violated the very Constitution he swore to uphold.  Not something that would make things better for him.

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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2012, 08:41:13 PM »
Quote from: USA4ME on March 28, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Agreed.  Dear Leader's top legislative victory will have been deemed un-Constitutional, or IOW, he supported imposing something upon the American people that was ILLEGAL.  Doesn't matter which Republican wins the nomination, that's something that can be pounded day after day after day in every stump speech given.  The current POTUS, the one sworn to uphold the Constitution, made the centerpiece of his first (and hopefully only) term a Bill that violated the very Constitution he swore to uphold.  Not something that would make things better for him.

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But, but, but,, he is a Constitutional Scholar!  How could he be wrong??????   :-)
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2012, 04:04:08 PM »
And now the 5th Circuit adds to the fire! :fuelfire:

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Appeals court fires back at Obama's comments on health care case

By Jan Crawford  Topics Supreme Court


(CBS News) In the escalating battle between the administration and the judiciary, a federal appeals court apparently is calling the president's bluff -- ordering the Justice Department to answer by Thursday whether the Obama Administration believes that the courts have the right to strike down a federal law, according to a lawyer who was in the courtroom.

The order, by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, appears to be in direct response to the president's comments yesterday about the Supreme Court's review of the health care law. Mr. Obama all but threw down the gauntlet with the justices, saying he was "confident" the Court would not "take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."

Overturning a law of course would not be unprecedented -- since the Supreme Court since 1803 has asserted the power to strike down laws it interprets as unconstitutional. The three-judge appellate court appears to be asking the administration to admit that basic premise -- despite the president's remarks that implied the contrary. The panel ordered the Justice Department to submit a three-page, single-spaced letter by noon Thursday addressing whether the Executive Branch believes courts have such power, the lawyer said.

The panel is hearing a separate challenge to the health care law by physician-owned hospitals. The issue arose when a lawyer for the Justice Department began arguing before the judges. Appeals Court Judge Jerry Smith immediately interrupted, asking if DOJ agreed that the judiciary could strike down an unconstitutional law.

The DOJ lawyer, Dana Lydia Kaersvang, answered yes -- and mentioned Marbury v. Madison, the landmark case that firmly established the principle of judicial review more than 200 years ago, according to the lawyer in the courtroom.

Go 5th Circuit! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

The rest of the story:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57408827-504564/appeals-court-fires-back-at-obamas-comments-on-health-care-case/

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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2012, 04:06:37 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on March 28, 2012, 08:41:13 PM

But, but, but,, he is a Constitutional Scholar!  How could he be wrong??????   :-)
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2012, 04:08:39 PM »
SCOTUS itself doesn't have this kind of luxury, but if one could be a fly on the wall of the SCOTUS offices.....

Sam Alito, for one, is likely being very definitive about this issue.  :hyper:
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2012, 04:15:39 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on April 03, 2012, 04:04:08 PM
And now the 5th Circuit adds to the fire! :fuelfire:

Go 5th Circuit! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

The rest of the story:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-57408827-504564/appeals-court-fires-back-at-obamas-comments-on-health-care-case/



They are talking about this on The Five right now.   :popcorn:
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #61 on: April 03, 2012, 04:17:09 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on April 03, 2012, 04:15:39 PM
They are talking about this on The Five right now.   :popcorn:

Yup--Andrea Tanteros is doing well.
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #62 on: April 03, 2012, 04:17:42 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on April 03, 2012, 04:17:09 PM
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #63 on: April 03, 2012, 04:19:41 PM »
I bet Obama hires Gloria Alred to take on the SCOTUS.
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #64 on: April 03, 2012, 05:05:45 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on March 27, 2012, 04:51:22 PM
No way in hell would Obamacare have made it through the Constitution Amendment process. We need not worry about that EVAH.


The DUmbass keeps tellin' every press "operative' that will listen, that the American people are all for this piece 'o crap!

Never mind the fact 72% want to ash can this POS!

The guy is livin' in "Never Never Land"! How he can keep a straight face and keep tellin' his lies is beyond my comprehension!

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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #65 on: April 04, 2012, 08:51:24 AM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on April 03, 2012, 05:05:45 PM
The DUmbass keeps tellin' every press "operative' that will listen, that the American people are all for this piece 'o crap!

Never mind the fact 72% want to ash can this POS!

The guy is livin' in "Never Never Land"! How he can keep a straight face and keep tellin' his lies is beyond my comprehension!

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Doing good, Allo! Just trying to keep all those damned plates spinning!
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Re: Obamacare Oral Arguments Day 2 - The Mandate (Not Looking Good for Obamacare)
« Reply #66 on: April 04, 2012, 09:37:51 AM »
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