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Help me find my next vehicle
« on: March 24, 2012, 04:29:14 AM »
gonna need to get a used vehicle, had great results with carmax last two cars......went to a car dealership and basically felt raped the way they tried to deceive me and **** me over. So I think I will stick with carmax.

Any recs on vans?

I was offered 1800 for my suv by carmax, dealership only offered 1000.  See what I mean?

I want to spend really only 16000 for list price and then deduct that 1800 from it.  I want a dependable minivan.  I love the Chrysler Town and Country.  Any ideas yall?






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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 09:37:43 AM »
Our daughter has had excellent luck with no problems with her Toyota van, about a 2005 if my memory serves me correctly. I can get you more specifics if you want.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 09:46:11 AM »
How about this one.

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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 09:48:01 AM »
My step-Mom has had Dodge Caravans every since they came out. She is currently in love with "stow and go" Not sure on pricing for them.

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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 10:22:36 AM »
Having been born and raised in the Detroit area, I can say with complete certainty to stay the hell away from anything designed in Detroit.

That includes anything done by Chrysler.

Coming up on 180,000 miles on my Toyota Sienna, 2004 vintage. I will drive that thing until the doors fall off, which might be in another 15-20 years or so.

And it gets 28+ mpg on the highway, 24 in the city.

I keep getting invitations from stealers dealers to trade in my minivan to buy whatever it is they're peddling. No way, Jose.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 11:10:19 AM »
Our daughter has had excellent luck with no problems with her Toyota van, about a 2005 if my memory serves me correctly. I can get you more specifics if you want.

It's a basic model (A/C, power windows, but no DIV or special radio) 2006 Sienna, 98K miles.

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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 11:15:35 AM »
Why purchase someone elses problems. Save your pennies until you are ready to purchase new or late model vehicle.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 11:29:00 AM »
Do you have to have a minivan?

I have consumed the Hyundai koolaid and love my Tucson. It's a 2010 (which is when the body style changed I think) and I love it! I get about 25mpg and got 32 on the last road trip.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 11:30:22 AM »
Why purchase someone elses problems. Save your pennies until you are ready to purchase new or late model vehicle.

I'll disagree with that. I bought an 05 King Ranch brand new and it didn't have too many problems, but some. Ideally, finding a rental car sale would be best. They usually sell them off under 10,000 miles and one CAN get a good deal IF they can find one. Avis used to sell them right from their rental places, but I think they did away with that. (That was MANY years ago) A broken in vehicle usually has 99% of the "bugs" worked out and the price is much better, normally.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 11:46:08 AM »
I'll disagree with that. I bought an 05 King Ranch brand new and it didn't have too many problems, but some. Ideally, finding a rental car sale would be best. They usually sell them off under 10,000 miles and one CAN get a good deal IF they can find one. Avis used to sell them right from their rental places, but I think they did away with that. (That was MANY years ago) A broken in vehicle usually has 99% of the "bugs" worked out and the price is much better, normally.

Fleet sales are an excellent source of newer used vehicles. Then again they are newer late model vehicles.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 11:51:54 AM »
gonna need to get a used vehicle, had great results with carmax last two cars......went to a car dealership and basically felt raped the way they tried to deceive me and **** me over. So I think I will stick with carmax.

Any recs on vans?

I was offered 1800 for my suv by carmax, dealership only offered 1000.  See what I mean?

I want to spend really only 16000 for list price and then deduct that 1800 from it.  I want a dependable minivan.  I love the Chrysler Town and Country.  Any ideas yall?

I'm a Toyota fan but you CANNOT go wrong with a Honda Odyssey.  You may pay a little more for it but you won't regret it.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 12:12:43 PM »
How about this one.



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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2012, 01:04:32 PM »
I'll agree with you Gina, and have to disagree with a number of the other posters on this topic.  I doubt you can go too far wrong with a Chrysler minivan, as they invented the concept.  The T & C is a more deluxe version of the Caravan, with nicer trim, but the vehicles are essentially identical.

Other that being in/around the industry for a long time, I can't stomach Asian imports (even those domestically produced) for a couple of reasons.......one subjective, I admit:

1.  Asian styling SUCKS......it's awful.......what I refer to as the "pagoda look", where there is absolutely no symmetry in design and they hang superfluous crap all over the units.  They have no flare for uniqueness or line coordination at all......both the Japanese, and Koreans are "tone deaf" when it comes to designing (mass market) vehicles.......largely because their entire industry is still based on its early roots of attempting to mimic American (and European) styling, and doing a really bad job of it.  Admittedly, I'm of the Harley Earl school of automotive styling, and as such, I can think of only a half-dozen or so vehicles of Asian origin that I considered decent looking.  The rest of them I would have difficulty keeping my breakfast down facing them in the garage every morning........perhaps I take the design of a vehicle too seriously, but that's just the way I look at it......

2.  Repair/parts costs for an Asian vehicle (even domestically assembled) will run an average 2 to 3 times that of a domestic manufacturer's price for the same or equivalent part/repair.  This is due partially to their origins, and also to the distributor/dealer markup structure that they employ.  This is particularly important if you plan to drive that vehicle for a long period of time.  One can argue that they (might) require less repair than a domestic when driven for the same mileage, but the singular repair cost will more than offset this, if it even exists.

To the numbers.......someone else mentioned buying a fleet/lease comeback vehicle, which makes good sense economically.  If you can find a one to two year-old vehicle that you like, that has low mileage, and a portion of the original manufacturer's warranty left on it, you eliminate the really steep part of the depreciation curve, and can take advantage of the remaining warranty if minor problems exist with the unit.

The last point, vehicle overall quality, is a bit more complicated, as there are all kinds of ways that various manufacturers and auto publications like to "spin" quality.......but the only one that counts (in my opinion) is the hardest to find actual numbers.  The parameter that I use is the manufacturer's own warranty cost on average per unit.  Chrysler is (depending on year) among the lowest, and ironically, if you eliminate the really high-end stuff, Honda and Toyota are among the highest.  Warranty cost is the average number of dollars that the manufacturer spends fixing defects and problems on the vehicle over the warranty period.  Right now, Chrysler minivans are averaging about $220, where Honda is sitting firmly at around $640, and Toyota comes in at about $380 (all figures are on their minivan lines).

I wouldn't get too fixated on what any particular dealer offers you for your trade.......dealers can "overallow" on trades, which is a way to artificially inflate the trade-in value of your unit to suck you in..........the really important figure is your total out of pocket cost when the deal is done, not the allowance on your existing vehicle.

As always.......YMMV.......

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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 01:14:18 PM »
If you're looking for a used vehicle, I would recommend a later model from the previous generation.  Those usually have all the bugs worked out and higher quality/reliability ratings than earlier models.  A quick Wikipedia search will show you when new vehicles are introduced and what years the previous models were built.

The previous generation T&C was built from 2001 until 2007, while the current one has been built since 2008 but received a brand new engine in 2012.  Personally, I would avoid fleet vehicles, rentals, and off-lease returns.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2012, 01:31:32 PM »
I like MSN's site for vehicle comparisons.  Edmund's has the same feature but I think the one at MSN is easier to use.

http://home.autos.msn.com/

Personally, I'd love a T&C to turn into a 1- or 2-person travel camper. :)
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 01:41:38 PM »
I wouldn't buy from Carmax.  They don't allow you to negotiate the sale of your car.  We are one of those people that love to talk the car down in price.  The last two cars I bought, my 2010 Nissan Versa and the 2000 Jaguar S-Type were both negotiated so low, the sales manager had to get involved and say, "Okay... no more discounts, we are losing money on this now."  If I went anywhere that would not work out a deal, I walk.  But whenever I go out shopping, I already know what I want because I look online.  Our auto mall has a website and we can search their entire inventory before we walk out the door.  It makes things so much easier.

Anyway, sorry for going on and on.  If you don't mind paying full price, Carmax is your place.  If you want to make a deal, go to a dealership.  Dealerships will almost never give you what you want for your current vehicle, but they do give you a chance to negotiate the WHOLE deal.  Not just the new car price.

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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2012, 01:51:59 PM »
Sorry, DOC I love my little Asian car :-)

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucson/
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/tucson/gallery.aspx I got the Limited in two tone leather trim.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2012, 01:55:01 PM »
Sorry, DOC I love my little Asian car :-)
Hyundai/Kia has learned the hard way.  Maybe Honda and Toyota need to take a few lessons.

I'm still looking for a decent interior design.  They all look the same.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2012, 02:28:31 PM »
How about this one.



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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2012, 02:37:29 PM »
Hyundai/Kia has learned the hard way.  Maybe Honda and Toyota need to take a few lessons.

I'm still looking for a decent interior design.  They all look the same.
I was sold on my Tucson once I sat in it and drove it around. I'm a little south of 5' tall so having an all electric seat/fully adjustable everything combined with being fun and to drive and easy to handle made it an easy choice. I can move the seat up (height and distance) and see better than I could out of previous cars I've owned. I went home that night to think about it and then made up my mind after a couple of days of driving others that didn't "fit" me.

Hyundai did learn the hard way. When I bought mine in 2010, there was an 8 week waiting list for the newly designed Tucson. I was able to find one a week later in a color I thought I would hate but when I saw it I fell in love with it and took it home.
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Re: Help me find my next vehicle
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2012, 02:55:38 PM »
Funny you mention it, I'm in the car dealership trying to decide if I want to go to a sedan from my Infiniti FX.

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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2012, 03:22:59 PM »
I'm a Toyota fan but you CANNOT go wrong with a Honda Odyssey.  You may pay a little more for it but you won't regret it.

My husband's old boss had an Odyssy that he absolutely LOVED. I don't have a Honda anymore but we have had several, my mom has had a few, my brother, cousins and both aunts have/had a Honda as well. I love the Honda Accord I use to have.

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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2012, 03:33:23 PM »
My husband's old boss had an Odyssy that he absolutely LOVED. I don't have a Honda anymore but we have had several, my mom has had a few, my brother, cousins and both aunts have/had a Honda as well. I love the Honda Accord I use to have.

i Heard them there Japanese cars last for 100's of yrs. What's up with that  :lmao:
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2012, 03:38:21 PM »
i Heard them there Japanese cars last for 100's of yrs. What's up with that  :lmao:

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2012, 03:43:28 PM »
We've had Datsuns (now Nissan), Toyotas and Hondas. No problems with any of them.
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