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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2012, 05:15:16 PM »
I have only rappeled from a UH-60 and taking 30 seconds to do that would make you a very tempting target from 90 to 100 feet up of course. There maybe some truth to the OP but how much is unknown.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2012, 05:17:38 PM »
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Do they assplode on impact? :???:

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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2012, 05:18:09 PM »
From the jumps I've seen, if you're free falling for more 30 seconds, you left your chute in the deployment bag hanging on the side of the aircraft.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2012, 05:20:30 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on March 22, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
I don't remember temperature ever affecting our descent time ... WIND on the other hand ... wow.

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Ah, just thought heat updrafts vs. weight might have something to do with this guy hanging In the air so long. Never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane before.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2012, 05:23:13 PM »
BTW, they have DZ's on many military installations. When the 35th Sig was airborne and at Bragg, they'd jump on the one at Ft Gordon sometimes. 35th is no longer airborne, and is now on Ft Gordon.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2012, 05:24:36 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on March 22, 2012, 05:17:38 PM
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2012, 06:21:19 PM »
I'm shocked that nutcase nadin hasn't chimed in on this thread with a story about all the times she's fast-roped down from a mexican helicopter while under fire.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2012, 06:28:17 PM »
Quote from: GOP Congress on March 22, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
I call bs....

I was 82nd Airborne back in the 70's and 80's. There was NO FREEFALLING EVER in paratroop operations. As far as I know, only true special ops (Rangers, Special Forces, MAYBE rescue units) has free-fall capability.

(I was in SF for awhile as well, but never HALO'd, which stands for "High Altitude Low Opening" jumps which require freefalling)

As to the 30 second free fall distance...

Essentially, the following equation calculates the distance travelled from a 30 second free fall from a fixed point in the sky:

d = (1/2) x gt2, where d = distance, t = 30, and g = 9.8 m/s2 (near the surface of the earth).

So, campers the equation comes out to this:

d = (1/2) x (9.8 x 302

which comes out to, oh, say... piddle paddle...

4410 meters...

Yes, that is over 2 and a half MILES... over 13 thousand FEET folks!!

I Would call bullshit...

HOWEVER, in his defense, I BELIEVE he meant that the entire DROP time was 30 seconds. The normal drop time of a normal 200 pound in a T-120 parachute is about 32 feet (10m) per second, so if he jumps from about 1000 feet up, then he's pretty close.

(And I ONLY come to his defense because he claims he's 82nd; he's got a lot of the terminology right that doesn't come from popular media).

If I've done the calculations correctly the 4410 meters would be an even more impressive 4.57 miles when converted to the nadinese.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2012, 06:34:09 PM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on March 22, 2012, 06:28:17 PM
If I've done the calculations correctly the 4410 meters would be an even more impressive 4.57 miles when converted to the nadinese.
Is that metric miles or standard miles? :???:
Can that be converted to furlongs per fortnight?
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2012, 06:42:03 PM »
Wait, he was in freefall for 14587.5 feet after jumping from a helicopter?  Uhm, what kind of helicopter was this?
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2012, 06:46:14 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on March 22, 2012, 04:26:25 PM
Yeah.....I  calculated it omitting atmospheric resistance and came up with 14, 467 feet in 30 seconds......

doc

I didn't look at either of your posts first.  I think he just called floating down in a parachute freefall.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2012, 06:56:32 PM »
If this guy is really in the military I applaud him for his service. I do wonder, however, why he would be an active member of a site that refers to our military as baby killers.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2012, 06:57:05 PM »
Quote from: GOP Congress on March 22, 2012, 04:20:18 PM
I call bs....

I was 82nd Airborne back in the 70's and 80's. There was NO FREEFALLING EVER in paratroop operations. As far as I know, only true special ops (Rangers, Special Forces, MAYBE rescue units) has free-fall capability.

(I was in SF for awhile as well, but never HALO'd, which stands for "High Altitude Low Opening" jumps which require freefalling)

As to the 30 second free fall distance...

Essentially, the following equation calculates the distance travelled from a 30 second free fall from a fixed point in the sky:

d = (1/2) x gt2, where d = distance, t = 30, and g = 9.8 m/s2 (near the surface of the earth).

So, campers the equation comes out to this:

d = (1/2) x (9.8 x 302

which comes out to, oh, say... piddle paddle...

4410 meters...

Yes, that is over 2 and a half MILES... over 13 thousand FEET folks!!

I Would call bullshit...

HOWEVER, in his defense, I BELIEVE he meant that the entire DROP time was 30 seconds. The normal drop time of a normal 200 pound in a T-120 parachute is about 32 feet (10m) per second, so if he jumps from about 1000 feet up, then he's pretty close.

(And I ONLY come to his defense because he claims he's 82nd; he's got a lot of the terminology right that doesn't come from popular media).

The only problem I have is why isn't he as knowledgeable as you guys? Seems like he is gettin' his info second hand rather than from experience!

DUmmies lie! They lie all the time©!
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2012, 07:32:03 PM »
This guy is a Tom In Tib clone.

he just found some shots on the net and made up this story
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2012, 07:39:32 PM »
I have no idea what kind of training a paratrooper gets.

Is it believable that a real paratrooper would be so unaware of terminology that he'd refer to the time descending under an open canopy as "free fall"?

It sounds sort of like someone who might call a SEAL officer a "grunt soldier".
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2012, 08:08:18 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on March 22, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
I have no idea what kind of training a paratrooper gets.

Is it believable that a real paratrooper would be so unaware of terminology that he'd refer to the time descending under an open canopy as "free fall"?

It sounds sort of like someone who might call a SEAL officer a "grunt soldier".

No, that's why it caught my attention.

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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2012, 08:10:32 PM »
I also wanted to make a slight correction. The average weight for an individual paratrooper jump, including gear, is 280 lbs (about 130 KG). That weight, for a T-120, calculates to a 10m/s descent rate (given no major sustainable wind gusts). Without gear, I think the descent rate is about 9m/s, give or take a foot.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2012, 08:21:32 PM »
Don't know T-120. I assume that succeeds the Dash 1 Bravo and T-10 Charlie? Again, I've only heard these terms in PT cadences by airborne folk. I'm a leg. ...and I'd prefer to stay that way. ;-)
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2012, 10:27:13 AM »
Quote from: BadCat on March 22, 2012, 04:18:00 PM
I'm trying to figure out where the jump zone is...doesn't look like Bragg.

That's Normandy DZ. This post could be legit, there have been numerous jumps on Normandy lately, including a Blackhawk jump.

As far as the rest of his story, he sounds like a novice jumper who gets his terms confused and/or he likes to exaggerate.

I'd love to have this DUmmy exiting my paratroop door... I bet he pukes and wets himself.
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2012, 10:32:35 AM »
Quote from: GOP Congress on March 22, 2012, 08:10:32 PM
I also wanted to make a slight correction. The average weight for an individual paratrooper jump, including gear, is 280 lbs (about 130 KG). That weight, for a T-120, calculates to a 10m/s descent rate (given no major sustainable wind gusts). Without gear, I think the descent rate is about 9m/s, give or take a foot.

What is a T-120? The only parachutes in the Army inventory I'm aware of are the T-10D, T-11, M/C1-1D ("Dash 1"), and M/C-6.  :confused:
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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2012, 10:33:14 AM »
Quote from: docstew on March 23, 2012, 10:27:13 AM
That's Normandy DZ. This post could be legit, there have been numerous jumps on Normandy lately, including a Blackhawk jump.

As far as the rest of his story, he sounds like a novice jumper who gets his terms confused and/or he likes to exaggerate.

I'd love to have this DUmmy exiting my paratroop door... I bet he pukes and wets himself.

And they're all night jumps!

Thanks for weighing in doc.  Like I said above, I don't like to call anyone's military service into question but his statement ate at me.

Looking at the pics I thought there was an outside chance he was nothing more than an observer, took the pics then made up a post.

KC
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« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2012, 10:35:52 AM »
Quote from: docstew on March 23, 2012, 10:32:35 AM
What is a T-120? The only parachutes in the Army inventory I'm aware of are the T-10D, T-11, M/C1-1D ("Dash 1"), and M/C-6.  :confused:

All we had were the T-10 (I don't know if there was a designator) and the M/C1-1B.  What's the difference between the dash 1 Bravo and the dash 1 Delta??

We were allowed to jump the dash 1 Bravo's for a little bit then they made them daytime jumps only due to 'pilot error' at night.

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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2012, 10:38:18 AM »
Quote from: Texacon on March 23, 2012, 10:35:52 AM
All we had were the T-10 (I don't know if there was a designator) and the M/C1-1B.  What's the difference between the dash 1 Bravo and the dash 1 Delta??

We were allowed to jump the dash 1 Bravo's for a little bit then they made them daytime jumps only due to 'pilot error' at night.

KC

Don't know the technical differences between the -1B and -1D. You'd have to ask a rigger. All I know about em is it's nice to have some small bit of control over the area of earth you're about to smack into at 23.5 ft/sec
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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2012, 10:41:56 AM »
Quote from: docstew on March 23, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Don't know the technical differences between the -1B and -1D. You'd have to ask a rigger. All I know about em is it's nice to have some small bit of control over the area of earth you're about to smack into at 23.5 ft/sec

Yeah, I liked jumping the dash 1 better.  It always amazed me how many times the jump master(s) would tell us; "Remember, when you are checking your canopy you are jumping a dash 1!  There is going to be 104 sq. feet of your canopy missing.  Do NOT deploy your reserve!!"

You would've thought they were talking to 3 year olds.   :whatever:

I know, I know .... you have to take all into account.

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Re: I got to jump out of a Blackhawk for the first time today! (PICS)
« Reply #49 on: March 23, 2012, 10:51:50 AM »
Quote from: Texacon on March 23, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
Yeah, I liked jumping the dash 1 better.  It always amazed me how many times the jump master(s) would tell us; "Remember, when you are checking your canopy you are jumping a dash 1!  There is going to be 104 sq. feet of your canopy missing.  Do NOT deploy your reserve!!"

You would've thought they were talking to 3 year olds.   :whatever:

I know, I know .... you have to take all into account.

KC

You seem to have forgotten who the majority of paratroopers are. 18-20 yo males who are more brawn than brain, living away from mom and dad for the first time, and so amped up by what they're about to do that they might forget an important detail like that 104 sq ft of missing canopy and revert to training. We also remind them of the six thousand count for jumps from low performance aircraft.
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