Stop blaming Rush Limbaugh for the murders in Afghanistan.

[Freeper]

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Stop blaming Rush Limbaugh for the murders in Afghanistan.

Last edited Mon Mar 12, 2012, 05:12 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

I've already seen one thread suggesting AFN has Rush on to give the troops "justification" for their missions, and now I've seen another suggesting the shooter must have gotten his cue from him.

Enough.

There is no doubt that Rush Limbaugh is a shameless, racist, inflammatory antagonizer. He is the radio equivalent of an internet troll, only on an epic scale.

With that being said, he has little or no affect on the the troops. We are not mindless drones. We're an extremely diverse organization on every scale, with one exception. In comparison to the general population we have a disproportionate number of males, although females aren't even remotely an anomaly. We have a very strong mix of different ethnicities, different religious beliefs, different age groups, different sexual orientations and different political ideologies. Just like the general population we have our share of... intellectually challenged people, but for the most part the guys I've worked with over the years have been of average to above average intelligence. In fact, about 30% of applicants can't score a high enough AFQT on their ASVAB to even join the military.

We are not some homogenous group. We are NOT "ditto heads."

The only people who listen to Rush are people who are right wingers to begin with. Even many Republican troopers will admit he's over the top.

I don't know what caused that soldier to do what he did. I don't know if he had a mental breakdown, if it was purely out of malice or both. There's no question it is a tragedy. It is first and foremost a tragedy for the victims and their families. It is also a tragedy that it will likely cost the lives of American troops who had nothing to do with the shooting and who conduct themselves with honor. It will make a near impossible job even more difficult.

But this I can tell you without question. That soldier did what he did for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh. Any suggestion otherwise is giving Rush way too much credit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002416800

Raise your hand if you are surprised that the DUmpmonkeys tried to blame this on Rush. 

[Duke Nukum]

If it turns out the shooter shouted "allahu akbar" at any time during his slaughter rampage, he will instantly be hailed a DUmp hero.

[Freeper]

If it turns out the shooter shouted "allahu akbar" at any time during his slaughter rampage, he will instantly be hailed a DUmp hero.

I understand that Ed Shultz is on AFN, maybe he caused this to happen. 

[Airwolf]

Well at least it wasn't them blaming Bush again. How can anyone function and post the things they do is amazing.

[BEG]

I knew they would do this.

[obumazombie]

As I recall 4 soldiers were assassinated gangland style by afghani counterparts they trusted. This was allegedly in response to the koran "desecrations" by burning. This was after the korans were defaced by muslims, and the proper disposition then became burning. So you follow all the rules, none of which are in your belief system, only to get a bullet in the back of the head by a so called trusted colleague. I can see after reaching a certain level of intolerable BS some might reach their breaking point.

[diesel driver]

As I recall 4 soldiers were assassinated gangland style by afghani counterparts they trusted. This was allegedly in response to the koran "desecrations" by burning. This was after the korans were defaced by muslims, and the proper disposition then became burning. So you follow all the rules, none of which are in your belief system, only to get a bullet in the back of the head by a so called trusted colleague. I can see after reaching a certain level of intolerable BS some might reach their breaking point.

The "muslim world" exists in a constant state of perpetual "pissed off", they don't need a reason to do what they do, just an excuse.

That said, the Old Testament has it right.

Whenever the Jews conquered a new territory, God commanded they kill and destroy EVERYTHING that was there, men, women, children, livestock, crops, buildings, EVERYTHING.

Muslims are evil.  You can't reason with, bargain with, control, tame, convert, modify, trust or exist with evil.  You HAVE to destroy it.

God knows what He's doing.

[Karin]

And over at the thread, the Smartest People on the Internet are having difficulty with the concept of "you can't prove a negative."  Beth especially.  Even Nads sounded smarter than Beth over there. 

[hillneck]

Even Nads sounded smarter than Beth over there. 

Now that's scary

[Wineslob]

There is no doubt that Rush Limbaugh is a shameless, racist, inflammatory antagonizer. He is the radio equivalent of an internet troll, only on an epic scale.

The rest of the screed is "blah, blah, blah," but I'd like to see irrefutable proof....................



no, I won't be holding my breath.

[JohnnyReb]

"R" The most powerful letter in the alphabet, Republican, Rush, Rove........

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Little fascists like big fascism:

Gman (20,139 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

2. Hey, why not

surely he had to have influenced somebody. And we don't know that he didn't have anything to do with it.

GodlessBiker (5,910 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

5. I understand your point, but what evidence do you have that the reasons had nothing to do with Rush?

Guilty until proven innocent.

Now, the real agenda:

Junkdrawer (23,873 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

7. Yeah, and if this keeps up, Rush might be pulled from AFN....

and then what?

EFerrari (160,697 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

8. No, you can't tell anyone that

unless you have some special psychic knowledge of his process.

And, we don't take orders here.

xchrom (72,830 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

23. So are we saying words are powerless and have no meaning? Nt

onenote (19,885 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

26. No. I think what is being said is that there is no more evidence that

Rush's influenced what happened then Ed Schultz's words or the some voices in the guy's head.

xchrom (72,830 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

31. Then I'm going to say that's a false equivalence.

And I will want quotes that are as radical as rush's words.

extrachromosome is worried about speech being too radical and until you can prove Schultz is too radical (a thing that will get you branded a RW troll) he shall continue to assume Rush is guilty.

wendylaroux (92 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

24. rush has adverse affects on civilians

making them all crazy talking and such. So could he have the same affect on military people in the middle of a war? I don't know,couldn't help.

As crazy as it is ironic.

gulliver (7,939 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

36. Nope, but let me take this opportunity to start.

Last edited Mon Mar 12, 2012, 08:16 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The Freeper posts on this issue provide some evidence.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2857825/posts

Have a read. Do American hard right-wingers have the right to hate and dehumanize Muslims? Sure they do. Do they have the right not to be blamed when that attitude leads to violence. Nope. Those are two very different things. The freedom of speech is not freedom from blame. Quite the contrary.

Rush didn't pull the trigger, but that doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a share of the blame. He most likely does.

On edit: Changed "certainly" to "most likely." I leave open the possibility that we will find out that the trigger man wasn't a right winger. "Certainly" is too strong a word.  

Kenneth Gladney called and said for you to go **** yourself.

certainot (2,159 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

37. all iraq and afghanistan vets, casualties, wounded can thank team limbaugh.

i'd blame him and the RW radio monopoly for pushing us into afghanistan and lying us into iraq. it did the groundwork for it. intimidated politicians and media with screams of 'traitor!', from 1000 coordinated radio stations. he is/was point man. it shouted over the protests and enabled the chickenhawk war machine politicians.

tiny elvis (652 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

38. i think he deserves some credit

for his great contribution to demonizing the whole people
if his dissertations begin with the premise that islam is bad,
then he does not need to say islam is bad
nationwide demonizing of a people has only one purpose,
to justify slaughter

uponit7771 (12,221 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

42. Demonizing "others" DOES contribute to an attitude of supperiority

So what's DU's general opinion of Israelis, Catholics and anyone who doesn't march in lock-step...like the OP.

Bandit (18,832 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

43. Without Rush we probably would not even be in Afghanistan

Republicans valued Rush's voice so much they made him an honorary member of Congress. I doubt very seriously that Republicans and Bush* would even have been elected without the voice of Rush and his ilk.. Rush is a great influence upon Republicans and has the ability to get the base stirred up.. Yes in my opinion Rush has a great deal to do with every single atrocity that has been committed by Americans in our Wars of choice. He sets the standard for Republican behavior and keeps it at a level that is obscene. They actually think torture is the right kind of activity Americans should engage in along with any and all ways to demean people.. Yes Rush has blood on his hands as well as almost every Republican that voted for Bush*.

wow

[thundley4]

"R" The most powerful letter in the alphabet, Republican, Rush, Rove........

Reagan!

[GOBUCKS]

Muslims are evil.  You can't reason with, bargain with, control, tame, convert, modify, trust or exist with evil.  You HAVE to destroy it.

Perfect. In a nutshell, a perfect description of the religion of peace.

[Gina]

On that White House site about signing petitions there is one to remove Rush from AFR and it has over 25k siggies.  Enough for them to look into forcing him out, I guess?

[Rebel]

On that White House site about signing petitions there is one to remove Rush from AFR and it has over 25k siggies.  Enough for them to look into forcing him out, I guess?

How many Disney characters are on that petition?

[BlueStateSaint]

How many Disney characters are on that petition?

Has either Hugh G. Rection or Pat McGroyne signed?

[wasp69]

certainot (2,159 posts)

37. all iraq and afghanistan vets, casualties, wounded can thank team limbaugh.

i'd blame him and the RW radio monopoly for pushing us into afghanistan

Bandit (18,832 posts)

43. Without Rush we probably would not even be in Afghanistan

That's a special kind of stupid right there.

[miskie]

The left and their boogeymen. 

Between the continuing attack on Limbaugh and Obama's new campaign commercial where he seems to be running against Sarah Palin, they seem to be incapable of explaining why to vote for Democrats - but instead have engaged in a fear based campaign.

Here is what I don't understand. The manufactured birth control issue was supposed to reignite the 'battle of the sexes', and that play seems to have backfired. So, as an encore, the Campaigner-In-Chief has a shiny new commercial where he battles a woman who isn't running for anything.

[youtube=560,315]eeaM4t2Ycgk[/youtube]

[Chris_]

I think this is going to be a very typical campaign from the Democratic Party.  Scare the old people, scare the immigrants, scare the women, scare college students, tell them the big bad GOP is going to take away their special programs and leave them destitute and living on the street, in jail, or deported.

Same shit, different year and the same bunch of people fall for it every damn time.

[miskie]

I think this is going to be a very typical campaign from the Democratic Party.  Scare the old people, scare the immigrants, scare the women, scare college students, tell them the big bad GOP is going to take away their special programs and leave them destitute and living on the street, in jail, or deported.

Same shit, different year and the same bunch of people fall for it every damn time.

This is exactly what I expected -

But this new Palin thing - it's as if he has gone from attempting to scare women to attempting to enrage them. What good is it going to do him to attack someone who isn't going to be his political opponent ?

if I were to sum up what the message of this commercial is in one sentence, it would be 'Shut up, bitch.' - Not a winning strategery. 

[Dont try to run]

Rush is on the radio what, 3 hours a day? Eventually he will say something stupid in anger (or feigned anger), or make a mistake on some fact or statistic. Big deal. He isn't a "defacto" head of the Republican Party. I have been a lifelong Republican for 34 years as a adult, and never listed to him on the radio. I don't even know what station he is on. Somewhere on AM, right? Never sought of heard his shows. But the Lefthas people as bad, and far, far worse, on. They just can't find sponsors except the Ford Foundation, George Soros money laundries, and Federal grants. Just when I listen to NPR I can't beleive how incredibly slated the programming and interviews, and comments are.
Palin had a lot in common with obama. Both were on State Championship basketball teams in High School (but Palin was way better than Obama). Both went to a couple Colleges (but Palin paid her own way, with family help). Obama got some sort of "scholarships" that we have been unable to identify.
But Palin married after her local broadcasting career, and stayed married. She actually had competition in her multiple elections, and was a reformer, for sure. She defeated a republican incumbent Governor for the primary in Alaska, and actually cleaned out the corrupt oil advocates from the State payroll. She chose to have a child she knew was disabled, and didn't "retroactively abort" it after birth.
And both, according to accounts, have had sex with at least one black man.
Palin is everything the Left hates. Christian, successful, married, working mother. All those things that "Feminism" should embrace they reject. Feminism is the cover for Lesbianism, adultery, promiscuity, abortion, and entitlement. Just like "Affirmative Action". They don't want equal. they want priority.
The Left dragging out palin now is like obama and Clinton running against george Bush 3 yearsago. A straw man argument. Just don't pay any attention to China, islamic Extremism, Oil Prices, and a insufferable debt. Look at palin, and hate, and vote Obama.

[obumazombie]

Has either Hugh G. Rection or Pat McGroyne signed?

Richard Gozinya
Ricardo Cabesa
Emerson Bigguns
Heywood Jyablowne
Tug McGroyne
Holden McGroyne
Michael Hunt
Eyepee Dailey
Iyam Hottotrot

Watch out for these guys too, and some others too obvious to mention.

[BlueStateSaint]

Richard Gozinya
Ricardo Cabesa
Emerson Bigguns
Heywood Jyablowne
Tug McGroyne
Holden McGroyne
Michael Hunt
Eyepee Dailey
Iyam Hottotrot

Watch out for these guys too, and some others too obvious to mention.

I was wondering if either of Pat's brothers knew about this!

[diesel driver]

Richard Gozinya
Ricardo Cabesa
Emerson Bigguns
Heywood Jyablowne
Tug McGroyne
Holden McGroyne
Michael Hunt
Eyepee Dailey
Iyam Hottotrot

Watch out for these guys too, and some others too obvious to mention.

What, the Hiney family didn't make the list:
E. Normus
Pat
Holden
Thor
"Tiny"
"Big Red"
and Red's wife, Aphelia