Giving some love to the good ol' USSR! (Taverner)

[Georgia Bulldog]

  Taverner
 
Enough about the bad, what was GOOD abot the Soviet Union?

Healhcare for all. Worker vacations. No one starves (unless under Stalin.)   

slackmaster
1. They made a great enemy 

mick063
2. There was nothing good.

A brutal, totalitarion, repressive regime.   

Shankapotomus
3. One thing that doesn't make sense

is if communism is so ineffective as the Right says, why was the Soviet Union a super power and rival to the U.S. at all?   

malaise
4. True but even better than that was

the balance of power on the planet.     

Yeah, because life was so spectacular for everyone who's lived under a communist regime. Who wouldn't want that kind of life?

[obumazombie]

I love the skankapotomus quote. The guy never heard about the legion of soviet agents who made a pipeline of technology and American innovation directly to the Politburo.

[franksolich]

Healhcare for all.

 

[Chris_]

I love the skankapotomus quote. The guy never heard about the legion of soviet agents who made a pipeline of technology and American innovation directly to the Politburo.

Someone slept through the "guns or butter" lecture in Econ 101.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Yeah, because life was so spectacular for everyone who's lived under a communist regime. Who wouldn't want that kind of life?

Well, it was a great place to be a security officer, say in the NKVD or the MVD.  Other than that it pretty much blew.

[thundley4]

Russia just elected a man president instead of a limp wristed metrosexual like we have in office.  They do have that going for them.

[Ogre]

Someone slept through the "guns or butter" lecture in Econ 101.

I don't think the DUmbass slept through it, more than likely was stoned or ****ed-up on something else.

However Taverner isn't a complete failure, he can always serve as an example of what not to do.

[GOBUCKS]

Good to see that the intravenous drug addict Taverner has been readin franksolich.

He's the guy who complained that the press only reports the bad things about heroin.

[WinOne4TheGipper]

The good about the Soviet Union?  It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.

[Ballygrl]

I sooooooooooooo need a DUmmie Free Day!

[GOBUCKS]

The good about the Soviet Union?  It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.

That is exactly right, and it isn't Gorbachev.

[jukin]

having actually been to the good old USSR in 1985 and 1988, I can tell you that tere was nothing good for the common man there. If you were in the government, life was much better. Government workers were on par with a very low income family in the West. The member in good standing with the party were doing quite well and had access to hard currency and what that bought from the West. In general, the people of the USSR were lucky to have a subsistence diet. Only the government workers were fat. There were huge stores with nothing but empty shelves and long lines in the morning in the cities I was at.

We installed a machines in factories and two things come to mind beside the huge stores with nothing in them. One was that it was sweltering in this one factory. The Russian workers handed me a roughly gallon size jug of clear substance that I assumed was water. I took a big swig and it turned out to be really bad vodka. The other was that the night before we were to leave all our tools left the site. The rep said that was just par for the course in the USSR. It was a glorious country under what little Barry wants to do to the USA.

[GOBUCKS]

Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 08:56 PM
obliviously (1,388 posts)
47. Are you going to do

What were the good things about the Holocaust next?

Oh, no! Now Taverner has a bully!

[BEG]

Communism, equal misery for everyone, except of course for a select few.  DUmmies love communism because they laughingly think they will be one of the select few.

[obumazombie]

The good about the Soviet Union?  It's in the dust bin of history, and there is one man to thank for that.

You mean it's Bush's fault ?

[diesel driver]

You mean it's Bush's fault ?

No, no!  Say it right!

"It's All Bush's Fault^tm"

[Airwolf]

It's only Monday and the drug addict proves once again why siblings shouldn't have sex.

[BadCat]

There was an old saying..."Communism is great..if you're one of the ones that have a dacha by the lake".

The DUmmies think THEY would be the ones with the dachas...they don't realize that they would be the ones buried in lime deep in the forest.

[Karin]

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Commmies.  I hate em.

Taverner (48,144 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

7. BS. I've spoken to many who, despite being Anti-Communist, admitted the system treated them well

And this is after the Berlin Wall fell...

 

Response to Zalatix (Reply #104)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 12:34 AM
 baldguy (27,106 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

109. Tell that to the Native Americans & the slaves.

And how many once-thriving lakes & rivers in the US are now devoid of fish? The Great Lakes fishing fleets are long gone, never to return. I also remember when the pollution in the Cuyahoga River catching fire was nearly an annual event.

The USSR was never as evil, and America was never as great as the dreamy-eyed American propaganda painted them.

Devoid of fish?    Competely devoid of fish.  What are all those guys doing out on Lake Ontario that I see?  They're just getting away from their old ladies?  

white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

119. The U.S. likely killed more Native Americans than either of those regimes killed Jews.

So, by your logic, the U.S. is worse.

Tom Ripley (526 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

18. They forced America's hand at civil rights reforms and support for the arts and sciences

 What?  

Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:14 PM
white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

20. You want some indirect benefits of the USSR?

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How about the modern welfare state and Social-Democracies? Do people think those massive reforms were granted out of the goodness of the capitalists's non-existent hearts? No,they were granted out of fear. The USSR showed that a (very flawed) alternative to private capitalism could exist and that scared the capitalists here and in Europe into giving major reforms. Reforms that they are now trying to give back. Oh,and if it wasn't for the USSR WWII could have gone very differently.

As to the point about famines, you can't blame that on Soviet policy simply because Russia has problems with famines under the Tsars.

  I hope one day you're hungry enough to become insane, and murder your children in order to eat them.  Ukraine.  Hope it happens to you.  

Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:39 PM
 geek tragedy (18,927 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

24. Greater equality of the sexes.

No sexual exploitation of women for commerce, as opposed to the industrial scale degradation going on there now.

You're not really going to suggest that prostitution wasn't rampant.  When people are hungry, they will do almost anything.  Including selling anything they have.  

Lydia Leftcoast bears that out:

(oh yes, the poverty led to an explosion of drug trafficking and prostitution, which combined to give the former Soviet Union a horrible rate of AIDS infection)

Here's a little exchange:

white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

55. The Holocaust was deliberate murder.

A lot of the deaths cited for the USSR are inflated by adding numbers caused by famine or WWII. For the record I don't support the USSR under any of its various leaders, but there is so much misinformation about it.

Response to white_wolf (Reply #55)
obliviously   This message was hidden by Jury decision.  

Response to obliviously (Reply #57)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 09:16 PM
 Taverner (48,144 posts)

59. Jesus **** - what kind of retort is that???

Hyperbole Bomb....

Then,

joshcryer (32,438 posts)

48. They put a robot on the moon. Other than that, the political system was murderous.

And it deserved all the criticism that was leveled at it.

Response to joshcryer (Reply #48)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 01:37 AM
Fool Count (1,131 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

127. No it wasn't. And no, it didn't.

   ****ing assshole.

provis99 (12,355 posts)

97. they also completely avoided the Great Depression.

RZM (4,826 posts)

144. And do you know what was going on there during the time of the Great Depression?

I'd take the depression over the Holodomor any day. And you would too.  

And I include this quote, just because it's so utterly vacuous:

Response to Taverner (Original post)
Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:16 AM
 steve2470 (11,984 posts)

152. More of a solidarity feeling with others

I read this somewhere. I don't know how true it is.

Oh My Good Lord, I hate commies.  

[DumbAss Tanker]

RZM has a clue, the rest of them seem to be dodging the cluebat pretty successfully.  I do wish the true believers could be put into the roles of cogs in the Great Socialist Machine, in Belarus or Ukraine in the 30s.  A few of them might survive to learn from it, most would starve, die at Kolyma, or meet their fates in penal labor camps constructing Stalin's follies in European Russia or the howling wilderness east of the Urals.

[JohnnyReb]

RZM has a clue, the rest of them seem to be dodging the cluebat pretty successfully.  I do wish the true believers could be put into the roles of cogs in the Great Socialist Machine, in Belarus or Ukraine in the 30s.  A few of them might survive to learn from it, most would starve, die at Kolyma, or meet their fates in penal labor camps constructing Stalin's follies in European Russia or the howling wilderness east of the Urals.

  ...and they would all be asking the question, "Does Stalin know about this?"

[DumbAss Tanker]

Indeed they would, just as millions of zeks died believing in 'The Little Father.' 

[Mike220]

Response to Taverner (Original post)
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:14 PM
white_wolf (3,940 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

20. You want some indirect benefits of the USSR?

Last edited Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

How about the modern welfare state and Social-Democracies? Do people think those massive reforms were granted out of the goodness of the capitalists's non-existent hearts? No,they were granted out of fear. The USSR showed that a (very flawed) alternative to private capitalism could exist and that scared the capitalists here and in Europe into giving major reforms.

Someone might want to read up on what Bismarck did in Germany before they start congratulating the Soviets for that. 

[blitzkrieg_17]

RZM has a clue, the rest of them seem to be dodging the cluebat pretty successfully.  I do wish the true believers could be put into the roles of cogs in the Great Socialist Machine, in Belarus or Ukraine in the 30s.  A few of them might survive to learn from it, most would starve, die at Kolyma, or meet their fates in penal labor camps constructing Stalin's follies in European Russia or the howling wilderness east of the Urals.

Agreed. But even if we that happened, the True Believers would still be saying it would be different if "the right people were in charge."

[GOBUCKS]

I remember the Cuyahoga River catching fire back in the 70s, and it's  still used as an example of pollution that has been eliminated by government regulations.

But it was caused by gasoline spilled into a storm sewer. Storm sewers do not route water through any treatment, so a similar fire could just as easily happen today.

And the best freshwater fishing I've had in my life was in Lake Erie during the years when Time magazine declared it a "dead lake".