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So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« on: February 29, 2012, 04:38:14 PM »
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So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own birth control...

... You should just suck it up or find another job.

But if your co-workers all vote to pay union dues, that's an outrage against individual liberty.

Do I have that about right?

 

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Yeah no difference in being responsible for yourself and buying your own birth control, and being forced to join a union and pay dues.  :mental:

Why is free birth control pills a sudden emergency and suddenly a right?
If you can't be responsible enough to provide your own birth control then maybe you aren't responsible enough to get naked with someone.
And no lurking DUmmies I have no problem if your insurance company decides to provide prescription benefits for your pills and you simply pay a copay. It's when the government makes that decision for you, I'm against it.

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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2012, 04:52:04 PM »
They aren't very good at this game, are they?



You want birth congtrol?

You pay for it.


You want union representation?

You pay for it.



I don't see the contradiction.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2012, 05:14:56 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on February 29, 2012, 04:52:04 PM
They aren't very good at this game, are they?



You want birth congtrol?

You pay for it.


You want union representation?

You pay for it.



I don't see the contradiction.

Good for one.  :cheersmate:
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2012, 05:16:56 PM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on February 29, 2012, 04:52:04 PM
They aren't very good at this game, are they?



You want birth congtrol?

You pay for it.


You want union representation?

You pay for it.



I don't see the contradiction.

They actually want someone else to pay for both.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2012, 05:22:09 PM »
Hey, SchmuckoftheDog, I don't see a conflict there.  Please try again.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 05:40:45 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on February 29, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
Why is free birth control pills a sudden emergency and suddenly a right?

As I mentioned in other threads, the only point of these stories is to reignite the battle of the sexes, since the cries of 'racist' no longer work.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2012, 05:54:13 PM »
Every company in this country that has provided benefits to the employed in order to get them to show up and work might want to think about dumping all of those benefits just to see how long the jobs stay filed and to see how long those that quit decide that the job really is more important. The huge downside is the economy would sink faster then Obamas ratings.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2012, 06:10:53 PM »
Funny how they never consider the fact that a company paying for their healthcare premiums is part of their overall COMPENSATION package.

--Salary or wages?  Compensation.
--401(k) contribution?  Compensation.
--Discounts at businesses, etc?  Compensation.

Oh, but Cadillac health plans?  Those are a RIGHT, DAMMIT!!!  And someone else needs to pay for it!

Said it before, say it again--if someone else is paying for it, it's not a right.

And DUmmies, do a little historical research and find out how and why employers started paying for health insurance for their workers, with the emphasis on the why.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2012, 06:49:37 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on February 29, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
They actually want someone else to pay for both.

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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 07:39:58 PM »
anyone remember the days when benefits (vacation time, car allowance, health insurance) were called fringe benefits and were never a guarantee to the employed?  They were meant to entice a highly qualified individual to come work for one company over another one.  When did it become a given that an employer owes an employee anything more than agreed upon wages in return for agreed upon work?

According to the left's way of thinking, an employer should be responsible for cradle to grave for an employee and his entire family.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2012, 12:46:57 AM »
I never did understand the liberal logic of needing birth control to prevent or reverse accidental pregnancy. Same thing for affairs. The image of tripping, and falling, and your clothes coming off in the fall, and before you know it, accidental conception, or in the case of an affair, accidental coitus. I could never try to explain it with a straight face.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2012, 08:09:55 AM »
Did anyone happen to hear Beck yesterday?  He and his producers were replaying some woman testifying (before Congress?) about how when she went to law school, she expended over $3,000 on birth control, and it was such a financial burden.  She was also on a publicly-funded scholarship.  They calculated that to purchase that much birth control would equal having sex on average of 3 times per day. 

How about hitting the books more, publicly-funded college student, and less slutting around town? 

They've overplayed this hand.  Nobody has the right to make someone else pay for their own @#$%ing. 
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 08:30:50 AM »
Quote from: Karin on March 01, 2012, 08:09:55 AM
Did anyone happen to hear Beck yesterday?  He and his producers were replaying some woman testifying (before Congress?) about how when she went to law school, she expended over $3,000 on birth control, and it was such a financial burden.  She was also on a publicly-funded scholarship.  They calculated that to purchase that much birth control would equal having sex on average of 3 times per day. 

How about hitting the books more, publicly-funded college student, and less slutting around town? 

They've overplayed this hand.  Nobody has the right to make someone else pay for their own @#$%ing. 

I saw her on Fox.  She went to GEORGETOWN...one of the most expensive colleges in the world, but she couldn't afford birth control.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2012, 08:42:34 AM »
Quote from: BadCat on March 01, 2012, 08:30:50 AM
I saw her on Fox.  She went to GEORGETOWN...one of the most expensive colleges in the world, but she couldn't afford birth control.

And, ostensibly, a Catholic college.
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2012, 12:45:54 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 29, 2012, 05:22:09 PM
Hey, SchmuckoftheDog, I don't see a conflict there.  Please try again.

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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 12:53:36 PM »
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some woman testifying (before Congress?) about how when she went to law school, she expended over $3,000 on birth control
what a slut bag... :fuelfire:
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Re: So, let me get this straight...If your employer wants you to pay for your own
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 01:04:05 PM »
Here ya go, DUmmies--a little history lesson for ya:

Universal healthcare in this country is not a new idea--in fact, it's been around for well over a century, going back to Teddy Roosevelt and the Progressives prior to WWI.  FDR tried several times to implement it, but failed to do so for fear that it would hurt his plan of implementing Social Security.

But where we really get into this is in WWII, where wage freezes prevented some companies from drawing away workers to needed or wanted industries.  The way that they got around this was offering health insurance, which was not considered part of overall compensation.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/27/health/la-he-health-insurance-history-20120227
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