please dont flame me, just delete..

[Lauri]

In no way are we telling anyone how to vote in November, but here is some information (sent to us) to consider before casting your vote.  We may not like everything President Bush does, but please remember that he doesn't run the country as a dictator, look at Congress and the Senate.  See the information below.  I, for one, am torn about the candidates running for office this year.  Hilary's universal healthcare scares me.  Barack's "hope" and "change" scares me because we have no idea what he wants to change.  McCain, not sure what to think yet about him.
 
If you're not happy that I sent this out, please don't flame me, just delete.    If you think others might be interested in reading it, please forward.

 
 
This email comes in three parts:
 
Part 1
In just one year.  Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
 
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
 
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
 
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
 
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
   
Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.
   
Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.  I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." --  Barack Obama
     
Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing. www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
               
Taxes under Clinton 1999                                     Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400                           Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000                         Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250                         Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800                       Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000                       Married making 75K - tax 18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750                     Married making 125K - tax 31,250

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates. It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy am I confused.  I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them.  I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts. 

1.  $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.   Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
 
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. 
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!   
Verify at:  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.   
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.   
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7.  30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.   
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.   
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10.  The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.  In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11.  During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.  Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.   Verify at: Homeland Security Report:  http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of  between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." Verify at:  http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13.  In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.    Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14.  "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."    Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.  Are we THAT stupid?

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message.  If, on the other hand, if it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the country including every representative in Washington, D.C. - five times a week for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence in our policies and enforcement thereof.

who can get this on DU?

[DixieBelle]

I'd LOVE to see that on DU!!!!!!!!!

[Hawkgirl]

Right Click, Save As 

[mamacags]

I don't have a mole anymore but I did copy it and send it to every moonbat and normal person I have on my email list.

[Ptarmigan]

Good information. I don't like the title though.

[Lauri]

Good information. I don't like the title though.

well bird, when youre right, youre right. 

[RGSG99]

I don't have a mole anymore but I did copy it and send it to every moonbat and normal person I have on my email list.

I'm glad you wrote "normal person" after "moonbat" because I received the e mail.   

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

I'd LOVE to see that on DU!!!!!!!!!

Ask and ye shall receive!

progressoid  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-12-08 10:54 AM
Original message
HELP!!1!
 I just received this inane email that I want to respond to, but I'm crazy busy today. So I'm looking to my DU friends for some help. 
Looks like this one has been getting around. About half of it was recently plagiarized for a LTTE in our local paper! I have a few ideas but would appreciate any good, drop dead counter-points you would like to share.

Hopefully, I'll have time in a day or two to compose a good reply-all. I'll try to check in later today. Thanks in advance!

It was titled, "Stupid or what". Here tis:



This email comes in three parts:

Part 1
Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over 1 1/2 year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what's handed to him.

Quote of the Day........"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama

Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.
Www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.HTML
Taxes under CLINTON-1999 Taxes under BUSH-2008
Single earning: Single earning:
30K - taxed- $ 8,400 30K - taxed $ 4,500
50K - taxed $ 14,000 50K - taxed $ 12,500
75K - taxed $ 23,250 75K - taxed $ 18,750

Married earning: Married earning:
60K - taxed $ 16,800 60K - taxed $ 9,000
75K - taxed $ 21,000 75K - taxed $ 18,750
125K - taxed $ 38,750 125K â?" taxed $ 31,250


Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates.
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of their money and they don't even know what happened.


PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? I am confused. I have been hammered with the news that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us; maybe there is another even greater factor. The URL's for verification of all the following facts are included.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HT...

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.h...

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.h...

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.h...

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.h...

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.h...

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation....

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."
Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

Are we THAT stupid? If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, ........................(you fill in the blank).


 

There's more!

csziggy (129 posts)      Mon May-12-08 11:00 AM
Response to Original message
1. Snopes.com did a good job with this email
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/votedforchange....

Their article starts:

This piece is one of the more ludicrous examples of the post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this, therefore because of this")fallacy we've received in a long time.
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 Synnical  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-12-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #1
4. They tackled the second part also
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/clinton-bush.asp
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -Stephen Roberts ///// Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. -Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney
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 Hong Kong Cavalier  (1000+ posts)       Mon May-12-08 11:04 AM
Response to Original message
2. My only reply would be:
 "Yes, apparently you are that stupid, because you believe this bullshit propaganda email. Oh, and gas was $1.42 when Bush took office back in 2001, but you don't ****ing care, you pissant little shit."

And then send them the Snopes link.

And then block their email.
The cake is a lie
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 BOSSHOG  (1000+ posts)      Mon May-12-08 11:11 AM
Response to Original message
3. AH!
 Thanks for the email, proving once again that not taking responsibility for anything is a conservative value as is never ending war and four dollar a gallon gasoline. However, you are doing your job for your neocon masters, passing out groundless propaganda for other morons like you have no concept of right or wrong or the ability for anyalytical and conceptual thinking. In other words you a ****ing conservative, in other words, you are what is wrong with this country. And why aren't you out picking lettuce??

Gosh I'm amazed I showed such restraint.
I DIDN'T SPEND 24 YEARS IN UNIFORM SUPPORTING AND DEFENDING THE BIBLE
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[DixieBelle]

ROFL! Comedy gold right there.

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

Forgot the link http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3273110