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Prescription drug abuse law
« on: February 20, 2012, 08:48:30 AM »
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WASHINGTON -- Governors and lawmakers in a handful of states including Tennessee are taking steps to tackle the growing scourge of prescription drug abuse.

All but two states and the District of Columbia have enacted some kind of prescription drug monitoring program, but many state officials argue that this is not enough.

"This growing problem is so frightening because while FDA-approved prescription opiates are easy to get, many are just as addicting and dangerous as street heroin and crack cocaine," Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin said in his State of the State address last month.

Shumlin has proposed giving law enforcement personnel access to the state's prescription drug monitoring system, currently accessible only to doctors and pharmacists, who enter a record in the database any time a patient is prescribed a potentially addictive drug, classified as a schedule II, III or IV controlled substance.

Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam also is taking aim at his state's prescription drug database, which only requires prescribers to record that they've written a prescription. In a Haslam-backed bill, all prescribers and drug dispensers would be required to check the database prior to prescribing a controlled substance, and Tennessee would be able to share data with other states to cut down on doctor-shopping.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/feb/20/states-on-alert-for-rx-abuses/


 


What are your thoughts on this proposed law? Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?






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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 08:50:42 AM »
Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?
Not if the taxpayer is footing the bill.
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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 09:32:45 AM »


 


What are your thoughts on this proposed law? Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?

Good question here, there have been times when I have needed a pain killer, home from surgery and had to send Hubby to the drug store with my prescription and my drivers license and he had to present his license, mine, and sign for the pain killer.

Then there were friends that visited me and got all out of shape for the situation the drugs put me in.   Darn I could not recognise friends or family, just went into La-La land to keep the pain away.  Get off that Shit they would say as I watched Lobsters crawl around my ceiling.

At the last time I needed them a friend came over before I took my legal pill and shot gunned me with some pot, I never took another pill again, I learned how to manage the pain and never saw Lobsters again.

I recovered much faster then on the opeates given, knew who was at my bed side, and swore to never go into La-La land again.

Lesson learned from an old lady, when it comes to well being, never say never, who would have thought at my age Pot would have brought me back ------OH Yes, I was so anti pot all my life,  crap still am but when it comes to medical problems, one has to dance with the devil. 




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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 09:35:13 AM »
When have you come out of La La land, vesta?  that post was all over the frigging world of La La Land. :hammer:






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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 11:50:27 AM »
Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.

All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.

What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........

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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 11:35:33 AM »
What are your thoughts on this proposed law? Is it overstepping the patient's privacy?

Not if they're doctor shopping.  Face it, so much of our crime is coming from prescription drug abuse--and I've got the stories about bank and pharmacy robberies here over the past two years to prove it--that it IS in fact a public safety issue.

When a small percentage of the doctors are responsible for a HUGE majority of these scripts, then something needs to be done to correct the situation.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2012, 11:54:57 AM »
Not if they're doctor shopping.  Face it, so much of our crime is coming from prescription drug abuse--and I've got the stories about bank and pharmacy robberies here over the past two years to prove it--that it IS in fact a public safety issue.

When a small percentage of the doctors are responsible for a HUGE majority of these scripts, then something needs to be done to correct the situation.

I agree BUT I don't know if you know my saga getting any type of relief with my back but the pain clinic I finally got referred to made me jump through all sorts of hoops to even get something strong than 800 mgs of Motrin.  They basically make me feel so humilated every time I go after a nerve block.  They make me feel like I am a drug seeker  :mad:

so what I am saying is when is it going to be about the neglecting the true pain of the patient and not these idiots that prescribe or doctor shop?  sucks 






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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2012, 12:06:35 PM »
I was under pain management for years for my back (had surgery, which helped; but scar tissue developed and they cannot do surgery for that). I had to sign a contract saying I would use one pharmacy, would not seek drugs from another doctor, would be accountable for all pills (they could call me in for a pill count at any time), and I had to submit to drug screens. They were very strict, and I don't blame them. I no longer use them because I lost my insurance; and I'm in pain daily....but I am also finding that I can cope without the super strong pain killers that I used to be on. Quitting those was the hardest thing I have ever done. Doctors have to toe a fine line with those kinds of drugs. There are people out there that really need them, and there are those who just get them to sell or take recreationally. I'm not sure how they weed out the "users".

Georgia has proposed the law that will electronically trace narcotics; but I'm not sure if it passed or not.
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2012, 12:17:32 PM »
I was under pain management for years for my back (had surgery, which helped; but scar tissue developed and they cannot do surgery for that). I had to sign a contract saying I would use one pharmacy, would not seek drugs from another doctor, would be accountable for all pills (they could call me in for a pill count at any time), and I had to submit to drug screens. They were very strict, and I don't blame them. I no longer use them because I lost my insurance; and I'm in pain daily....but I am also finding that I can cope without the super strong pain killers that I used to be on. Quitting those was the hardest thing I have ever done. Doctors have to toe a fine line with those kinds of drugs. There are people out there that really need them, and there are those who just get them to sell or take recreationally. I'm not sure how they weed out the "users".

Georgia has proposed the law that will electronically trace narcotics; but I'm not sure if it passed or not.

Those are the hoops I was talking about.  It's humilating. 

I draw so I sit all day and I am pretty much in pain all day.  I have tried going a day without the pain narcotic (percocet 10mg 2 x per day) and it was excruiating.  I am praying after tomorrow's cervical nerve block (semi-permanent) they will start on my lower back and I will get the same relief.  They told me they couldn't treat both parts at one time because insurance wouldn't allow it.

I am worried about being addicted though when I am cleared to be pain free.  I have been on them for a month and a half.






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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »
I understand why they're doing it, but a State law in TN isn't going to do much to fix it.  People in Appalachia are recruited, or assemble the dough and learn the connections themselves, to go to FL cash-only pain clinics (Where TN law wouldn't apply) and buy large stocks of 'hillbilly heroin' and mule it back home, where most of it gets sold off by the pill.  They use addresses of convenience or bogus ID, but sales in TN itself are not the main part of the problem.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 12:40:12 PM »
Those are the hoops I was talking about.  It's humilating. 

I draw so I sit all day and I am pretty much in pain all day.  I have tried going a day without the pain narcotic (percocet 10mg 2 x per day) and it was excruiating.  I am praying after tomorrow's cervical nerve block (semi-permanent) they will start on my lower back and I will get the same relief.  They told me they couldn't treat both parts at one time because insurance wouldn't allow it.

I am worried about being addicted though when I am cleared to be pain free.  I have been on them for a month and a half.

I feel for you because I've been there. I had a sit down computer job for 18 years. When I started my new job as a waitress, I wasn't sure I would be able to do it. I've found that being on my feet more has actually HELPED my back pain; but it's killing my knees ;)

I don't want to scare you about coming off of the pills; but it is NOT fun. Try to get Saboxin (spelled wrong I'm sure). It helped the withdrawals (flu like symptoms times 10). It will not help the craving, though. That's just something you'll have to work through. I wish you luck. And if you need to talk to someone about it, feel free. It takes someone who's been there to really empathize.
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 12:46:19 PM »
I feel for you because I've been there. I had a sit down computer job for 18 years. When I started my new job as a waitress, I wasn't sure I would be able to do it. I've found that being on my feet more has actually HELPED my back pain; but it's killing my knees ;)

I don't want to scare you about coming off of the pills; but it is NOT fun. Try to get Saboxin (spelled wrong I'm sure). It helped the withdrawals (flu like symptoms times 10). It will not help the craving, though. That's just something you'll have to work through. I wish you luck. And if you need to talk to someone about it, feel free. It takes someone who's been there to really empathize.

could I be addicted even if I have been using my meds as prescribed?  everything I read up on said if you took the prescribed dose and didn't abuse you should not get addicted........crap..........I don't need that.......I am going to bring this up at my next visit.






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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2012, 12:56:07 PM »
You will have withdrawals of some kind unless the doctor gradually reduces your dosage. I had to stop suddenly when I lost my insurance, so I had some major withdrawals...hence the suboxen. I was on them for 7 years, though. And it is a known fact that as your body gets used to those meds, it takes higher doses to get relief. Hopefully you won't have the craving issue if you don't have to be on them for too long. I wish you luck, and do not be afraid to talk to your doctor about your fears. I talked to mine several times and even put off "upping" the dosage for two years die to the same fear.


BTW...I tried to keep my pain scripts on the "down low"...when people first found out I was getting them I was approached constantly by people "hurting". I understand why states want to make these laws. I fully believe that prescription drugs are used more by teens and young adults than any other drug....
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2012, 07:43:21 AM »
Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.

All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.

What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........

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Doc you are so correct about Vet requirements.

When we got a Rottie Puppy, she was hyper, first time being without Mom and litter mates and away from the humans she grew up with.

The Vet perscribed an antidepressants for her, the prescription read DOG, next to her name.  -----I believe it was for Valumin cost for a months supply, $5.00.        Talking to a coworker that had been perscribed briefly for that drug, I was told that a human had to pay without insurance at that time $80.00 a month.

Had we been crooked we could have made a fortune selling the dogs medication, just a call to the Vet and say the dog needs more.    The Vets are not monitored as closely as the Doctors for humans, occasionally a Vet will be outed and loose their license but in my area only 2 in 15-20 years have been found.  Unfortunately these were the Vets that had customers of advanced age that could not afford Human pain relief and a sympathetic Vet would HELP them along the way.  Good intentions and the road to Hell.

Then there is the question why the cost of drugs for a pet is but 1/10 of the cost for humans, same darn thing in both cases.

Deep dark dirty secret in the dog fighting ring, getting set up as a Vet in the South after graduation is VERY costly.  New Vets often get their start by working with the Dog Fights and some make out well enough to start their own business.    [ Told to me by a member of the Vice Squad when I called about an injured Pit Bull a tenant had on my property.  When they tracked the owner that was a Vet in NC.  I was told to not push it, all had been taken care of the dog was gone from my property.

Unfortunately life goes on with all the twists and turns when it comes to drugs. Nasty business from the top down to the mules 14 year old that street sell this shit.   

We have a shortage of life saving drugs for humans today, bet you a dollar to donuts a Vet can find a way to get these drugs on the black market for big bucks for the owners of the Show Dogs and Cats worth thousands.

Not that I am coming down on the Vets or Human doctors, the professions in partnership with the drug  company's have a way of justifying their actions as to benift them selves.   The civilian that get it the way are put down to Choice, not their problem, justified as a murder involving a person with a hammer cannot blame Black and Decker.









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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2012, 08:09:13 AM »
Another drug thread, another vesta post.

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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 08:10:17 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 08:46:14 AM »
N the waiting room to get my radio frequency block.  They can only do one nerve at a time so I will have my 2nd one in two weeks.  Wish me luck, they say this one is gonna hurt






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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2012, 08:54:30 AM »
N the waiting room to get my radio frequency block.  They can only do one nerve at a time so I will have my 2nd one in two weeks.  Wish me luck, they say this one is gonna hurt

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2012, 08:58:44 AM »
Grit your teeth and embrace the suck. If you can have a baby, you can do this standing on your head.

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2012, 09:31:42 AM »
Never have felt labor :lol:  I have them cut out
almost spoken like a true primitive :ashamed:




back to the topic at hand though, here is what i dont understand. we have a system run by the government where drugs are legal but regulated to be made safe. the regulation doesnt work, so we strive for more regulation from the same entities that cant get it right the first time. and the new regulations further strip us of our freedoms in the guise of protecting us.

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Re: Prescription drug abuse law
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2012, 09:46:08 AM »
almost spoken like a true primitive :ashamed:

back to the topic at hand though, here is what i dont understand. we have a system run by the government where drugs are legal but regulated to be made safe. the regulation doesnt work, so we strive for more regulation from the same entities that cant get it right the first time. and the new regulations further strip us of our freedoms in the guise of protecting us.

ben f: Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

Precisely. This is a classic example of bureaucracy justifying itself FIRST. They'll make all kinds of pretenses that they (the DEA, the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet-soup agencies) are "making the public safe" when, in point of fact, they're simply creating work for themselves and ergo, job security.

Many Americans are too stupid to see this, of course, because they've been conditioned to accept that the government is really here to help.

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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2012, 10:11:19 AM »
Precisely. This is a classic example of bureaucracy justifying itself FIRST. They'll make all kinds of pretenses that they (the DEA, the FBI, and the rest of the alphabet-soup agencies) are "making the public safe" when, in point of fact, they're simply creating work for themselves and ergo, job security.

Many Americans are too stupid to see this, of course, because they've been conditioned to accept that the government is really here to help.

plus the war on drugs is a failure, just legalize everything.

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2012, 10:17:19 AM »
plus the war on drugs is a failure, just legalize everything.

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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2012, 10:32:42 AM »
I ain't buying that argument, Rugnuts.
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« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2012, 10:57:13 AM »
Variations on this theme have been around for a long time......decades.......when we lived in New York, drugs scheduled I, II or III were required to have the physician complete a "triplicate" prescription form, which contained the patients SSN and other vital information, which were sent to the state and placed in your personal file (both the NYS DEA and NY Justice Dept.)........all this additional bureaucracy and manpower (as well as taxpayer expense) did NOTHING to reduce illicit prescription abuse.

All of this nonsense just makes physicians reluctant to prescribe needed medications for patients (as in cancer and others) that really need them, for fear that by prescribing them they open themselves up to hassles from bureaucrats and law enforcement.

What I really find amusing is here, in my state there are a number of restrictions placed on patients and pharmacies (not doctors) regarding ID requirements, refills, and how soon a patient can order a refill on scheduled drugs.......however, I can go to a Vet and get a prescription for the same medication, in the exact same dosage, for a dog, and there are no restrictions at all........

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Weird that, in Arizona, at least the time I had to pick up some fentanyl patches for one of my dogs, I had to sign for the stuff, even though the dog weighed around 20 pounds and whatever pain relief was in there wouldn't have done anything for me. :whatever:

As a person for whom hydrocodone has been prescribed these past seven years, no, I don't care if my name is in some database.  Tricare already monitors me, and since I'm doing nothing illegal and the drugs are correctly prescribed for legitimate pain issues, I've got nothing to hide.

What truly pisses me off is that drug abuse of legitimate prescriptions of opiates has made doctors more nervous than a cat in a room full of occupied rocking chairs, and the hyper monitoring of my pain relief needs-I have to get a new prescription every month and it's a pain in the ass. 

Anyway, I figure if we chronic pain patients have to be put through our paces so rigorously, same at least should apply to welfare recipients.  I'd like for them to have to submit their grocery bills to some processing/monitoring center so as to make sure they haven't sold their food stamps for dope, booze, whatever.  Also, why should servicemembers be subjected to random urine screening for drugs while welfare recipients don't have to do the same thing.
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