Here we go again.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002309984 nadinbrzezinski (101,733 posts) Tue Feb 14, 2012, 01:18 PM
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On OWS and the Democratic Party
Folks who hate OWS might be in for a surprise on this one. But be careful what you hate or who you hate.
Over the course of the weekend I covered the California Democratic Convention for a local paper. I worked hard to find any who did not like OWS. In fact, all I found were supporters, and in more than a few cases CREDENTIALED DELEGATES who are also very active in Occupy activities.
Not only that, the themes of OWS were all over in speeches and talks by very powerful members of the Democratic Party. These include the Minority Leader, the future head of Finance, if they flip the House, and Senator Feinstein... as well as the Chairman of the State Party.
At least ONE of the State Parties is quite supportive...
Just an observation that I know I will be looking for at the NATIONAL convention. I will be looking for obvious support for OWS.
Quite frankly I was looking forwards to people who are opposed to OWS at least in methods... and did not find them, and not for lack of trying. As to members of Occupy, they made no secret about it.
This is not a news story yet, since I'd love, not going to happen, to get myself into OTHER state conventions to see if this is just my state or a national trend. I know the party wanted to take over OWS, well at least here, it looks like OWS is pretty much the grassroots.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 01:34 PM
Nuclear Unicorn (4,593 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
2. What if you don't OWS but just want it to turn activism into practical political results?
Oh, and stop the silly antics because its PR death?
Sic-em Nads
nadinbrzezinski (101,733 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
3. Tell me why were pretty active members of Occupy inside the hall
as CREDENTIALED DELEGATES? You understand this right? You understand what I wrote right?
You still believe that is not political?
Serious question, to which I expect a non serious answer.
Wow, she told him!
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MineralMan (40,523 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
7. Why would there not be?
Many people active in the Occupy movement are also active in Democratic politics. It's not surprising that some delegates are also involved. Being a delegate to a state convention isn't such a difficult thing in most states. Anyone with a strong history of working within the party is very likely to be selected as a state delegate. Every time I've been to the Occupy gatherings in Minneapolis, I've seen people I know from the DFL organization.
#1 again.
Nuclear Unicorn (4,593 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
8. "Serious question, to which I expect a non serious answer."
Learn to fact-check a simple article about posers pretending to be Special Forces before you talk-down to others.
For months OWSers bragged about NOT being part of the establishment political process. One post does not suddenly obviate the concerns of a large group of fair-minded people who wanted a more effective movement. Those of us who counseled political participation were derided, belittled and pushed away -- just like the OP.
We were called haters and still are. Yet, here's the OP, not only calling us haters but admitting the so-called haters were right all along about the value and effectiveness of political participation. Is there is hint of conciliation or even simple decency to stop calling names to people who gave good advice? No. It's all about your ego.
When you have an ego that has the size and substance of the Hindenburgh don't act surprised if there is a similar end result.
>snort<
nadinbrzezinski (101,733 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
19. Since I did apologize and you have no reason
to accept it, welcome to my ignore list.
When Judith Miller apologizes for a war that has cost 5K+ KIA, 40K WIA and 1 million vets who approached the VA over the last ten years wake me up.
I cost zero lives and still apologized.
Good bye.
(For an ego the size of the Hindenburg, I would say apologizing would not happen)
As to the stats I just gave you, take it up with Congressman Filner or the VA, or both.
Goodbye.
Enjoy your hate.
She told that unwashed hater a thing or two.
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Nuclear Unicorn (4,593 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
22. The only hate is in the incessant demeaning tones you use to belittle people
How about apologizing to the people you accused of being haters because they pleaded with OWS to not waste its activist capital and join actual political processes. Supposedly that's what the OP is about. Yet, you insult the people who wanted that in the first place.
KeyyRacK!
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greytdemocrat (766 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
39. Don't question the Nadin.
Haven't you all learned that yet???
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Obamanaut (10,008 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
14. For the readers who have wondered why there sometimes appears to be a 'piling on', this is an
example of the condescension that provokes most (if not all) of that piling: "...You understand this right? You understand what I wrote right?..."
Followed closely by: "...Serious question, to which I expect a non serious answer..."
Zappa showed up, too.
Definately a "must visit" campfire.
