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Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« on: February 13, 2012, 07:54:51 AM »
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My Son Needs Some Help. Anti-Evolution Speaker Coming to His School
Dave Nutting, founder of the Alpha Omega Institute is coming to Clemson in a couple of days to give a talk entitled "Was Darwin Wrong?". I wanted to give my son a bullet point version of the case for evolution that could counteract Mr. Nutting's talk. I am posting this on the Science forum, also. Any information you could add to my list would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your help!

Here is a link to the Alpha Omega Institute:

http://www.discovercreation.org/index.htm

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Evolution proved


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2. Seems like an excellent chance for your son to find the information on his own...

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... as opposed to spouting some talking points as passed down by his mother.

Especially considering the fact that there are no consequences if he sucks at it. He can only benefit from the experience.

YMMV

Bad idea. You're advising that the kid go outside of the collective and find out answers for himself.

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It only makes the lucid ones more lucid.

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27. I don't understand why he has to have ammunition to counteract the speaker.

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You and your son obviously do not agree with the speaker and do not share his theories. Is there harm in your son listening and trying to understand how this man sees the world? I think, your son will gain much more from listening to this man's point of view, understanding that many people share it, and (while certainly not embracing it) becoming cognizant that this is a philosophy he will have to navigate in his adult life, like it or not.

There is much to be learned here. Blowing this man up, while gratifying, gains your son nothing but a moment of pleasure. Learning this man's point of view gives your son the power to manipulate it.



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30. His son will learn more, by 1st listening, and then asking meaningful questions.

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If the presenter has a realistic position, he should welcome some tough questions.

However, if the speaker plans to focus not on alternative theories to evolution, but only to focus on the "gaps" he sees ... then that speaker is not worthy of any attention.

If this speaker wants to present GAPS in the Theory of Evolution, he should also be able to explain how the Theory of Creationism deals with those same "gaps" ... if he can't do that ... then there is little reason to take him seriously.

Its easy to attack a "theory" ... much harder to defend one.

And a real scientist can handle both aspects.



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and yes, you are correct if he is actually trying to ask meaningful questions to better understand the Young Earthers belief system, no matter if it is right or wrong. However, the OP wants "ammunition". She wants to pick a fight. I also find it funny that she apparently feels very strongly about this, yet is so uniformed she has to come on DU to ask for counterpoints to the speaker. Generally speaking, if I am against something enough to want to have a heated argument, I don't need to come to DU to collect my counterpoints.


I see an early lunch in Drahthaardogs future.

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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 08:15:44 AM »
If her son goes to Clemson, my wife would say that right there makes the case against evolution....as we dislike DUmmies, she dislikes Clemson... :lmao:
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 09:47:26 AM »
I always wonder if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys? Every animal that evolved into some other animal is gone no? Humans must be special. Hmmm?
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 09:55:03 AM »
Look at the title.  "Need something to DISRUPT a speaker.  Why is that such a great idea, DUmmies?  We see videos of that from time to time...someone on campus making a speech, and a bunch of louts shout the speaker down, screaming and shrieking.  Possibly throwing a pie.  Is that somehow intellectual to you?  Do you think that impresses anyone viewing that?  Is it possible that someone could see that as close-minded, incurious, braindead? 
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 10:05:21 AM »
DUmmies should stick to throwing pies and glitter, what better way to emulate their pooh flinging ancestors.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 10:43:34 AM »
Free speech, tolerance, and protesting all one way streets for a totalitarian leftist.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 10:56:01 AM »
Quote from: catsmtrods on February 13, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
I always wonder if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys? Every animal that evolved into some other animal is gone no? Humans must be special. Hmmm?

You and Tucker are on the wrong track about that, a biologist or zoologist would say the modern monkeys and modern man both evolved separately from a possum-like critter that lived in trees about 14 million years ago, not that modern man evolved from modern monkeys.

That said, there are some holes in the evolutionary explanation, mainly in the relatively rapid generation of new species which does not fit very well with the time it takes genetic drift to work major changes, and viable mutation of more than one individual so as to establish a start point for a new breeding population of a new species seems ridiculously implausible as a recurring mechanism.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 11:02:56 AM »
Yes, DUmp monkeys, go ahead and fling your shit at someone you disagree with, **** what the other students had to pay for him to be there, it's all about YOU.

Simple-minded ****ers.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 01:01:43 PM »
Leave it to some butt lovin fagot to go over the top.

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I always go for raw intimidation.

Like, what was their supposed god creator huffing when he created humans?

God appears to be a much better engineer if we simply evolved, if He simply mixed up the ingredients of life and stepped back with the omniscient knowledge and expectation that something intelligent would crawl out of the slime.

A work that needs constant fiddling with throughout time, yet still produces such obvious kludges as humans, THAT is the work of an incompetent hack.

Is their god an incompetent hack?

But the best thing is to never give them a stage, to let them know beforehand their arguments will be crushed not by mild-mannered scientists who tend not to be trained in this manner of manipulative debate, but by heavily armed theological streetfighters who believe Evolution is God's Most Marvelous Creation.

The best possible outcome of these phony "debates" is when the Creationist's don't show up.

Thanks to the US Government for the creation of AIDS as a way to get rid of these butt loving faggots.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 01:06:20 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on February 13, 2012, 11:02:56 AM
Yes, DUmp monkeys, go ahead and fling your shit at someone you disagree with, **** what the other students had to pay for him to be there, it's all about YOU.

Simple-minded ****ers.

 :exactly:  It's odd how they don't see how they truly are to the rest of civil society.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2012, 01:16:17 PM »
Quote from: Gina on February 13, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
:exactly:  It's odd how they don't see how they truly are to the rest of civil society.

Very odd.

I just don't get why the think they need to disrupt a civil lecture.  On something like evolution.  I can see if it were something like "The Rich: Don't Have Enough Money" or "War: Solves Everything" or "Animals: Eat Them"  but evolution?  Seriously?  I even go to lectures I don't agree with to learn something.  As Drahthaardogs (Soon to be Banned) said even if he doesn't agree it's a learning opportunity.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2012, 01:36:31 PM »
One thing, if the idea scares them that much..............................why?


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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2012, 01:39:30 PM »
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You and Tucker are on the wrong track about that, a biologist or zoologist would say the modern monkeys and modern man both evolved separately from a possum-like critter that lived in trees about 14 million years ago, not that modern man evolved from modern monkeys.

That said, there are some holes in the evolutionary explanation, mainly in the relatively rapid generation of new species which does not fit very well with the time it takes genetic drift to work major changes, and viable mutation of more than one individual so as to establish a start point for a new breeding population of a new species seems ridiculously implausible as a recurring mechanism.

OK I'll go with liberals evolved from some butt licking possum. I myself was created.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2012, 02:16:40 PM »
Quote from: catsmtrods on February 13, 2012, 01:39:30 PM
OK I'll go with liberals evolved from some butt licking possum. I myself was created.

Like tectonic plate theory, either way it's just a way of explaining the world around us, not something we can affect one way or the other, so in the big sense, it really doesn't matter.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2012, 03:47:45 PM »
This is easy to settle. My lineage was created by a loving creator God and the OPs came from tree swinging monkeys.

This actually explains a lot when you think about it.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
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Quote from: catsmtrods on February 13, 2012, 09:47:26 AM
I always wonder if we evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys? Every animal that evolved into some other animal is gone no? Humans must be special. Hmmm?

And why didn't other species like alligators evolve into man?
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2012, 03:52:00 PM »
And why is it that if someone believes something different than the left does that the point of view has to be silenced?
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2012, 03:52:07 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on February 13, 2012, 03:50:09 PM
And why didn't other species like alligators evolve into man?

"The Man" was keeping them down.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2012, 04:09:53 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on February 13, 2012, 03:50:09 PM
And why didn't other species like alligators evolve into man?

Also, why haven't creatures like alligators, sharks, and squid seemed to have evolved much at all?
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2012, 04:11:55 PM »
Did someone just mention attorneys ? It reminded me of an attorney joke, I may be imposed upon to repeat.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2012, 04:29:07 PM »
Why does he need a verbal argument? Don't liberals mostly just throw things at people they disagree with? Get him a glitter gun or a pie.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2012, 04:42:28 PM »
Sometimes I wonder if humans are devolving into monkeys.... and that the DUmmies are a step ahead of us in that de-evolutionary chain.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2012, 05:12:31 PM »
Quote from: Duke Nukum on February 13, 2012, 04:29:07 PM
Why does he need a verbal argument? Don't liberals mostly just throw things at people they disagree with? Get him a glitter gun or a pie.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it in the same such setting that brought us the infamous utterance of "Don't taze me bro."
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2012, 05:14:37 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on February 13, 2012, 04:42:28 PM
Sometimes I wonder if humans are devolving into monkeys.... and that the DUmmies are a step ahead of us in that de-evolutionary chain.

You're treading into Franks case study. I believe that it's still a work in progress.
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Re: Need some help so my son can disrupt a pro evolution speaker
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2012, 05:28:51 PM »
They're depraved, but deproving.
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