" Are we allowed to talk about Andy Stephenson?" (grasswire)

[Tess Anderson]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/124036881

grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore


 Are we allowed to talk about Andy Stephenson?
I saw on an old message board that DU restricted any conversation about Andy. Is that still the case? Please advise.0   
 
30 replies, 666 views

Response to Suich (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:56 PM
 grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

9. There's a comment on an old KOS thread that mentions the restriction.

I was here during that time, but I honestly don't remember all the ins and outs. It got to be overwhelmingly confusing, and I honestly don't even remember what was we ultimately learned was true and not true. I just know that Andy's alleged enemies during that time are the same as those who are now attacking DU-ers with impunity, from the conservativecave web site (which we are now allowed to mention on DU).

The KOS story is here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/06/13/121559/-Allegations-of-Fraud-Hound-Andy-Stephenson-Charity-Fundraising-Campaign

The comment is from KOS user CTChomskyfan

Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #22)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:56 AM
 grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

25. well, one of ours is being pestered now, by the same misfits

Omaha Steve has made himself vulnerable in the interest of Democratic politics (running for local office), and is now under attack by the misfits at conservative cave

Response to grasswire (Reply #25)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:06 AM
 ScreamingMeemie (57,205 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

26. Isn't that the splinter group off of conservative underground?

I won't give them the page hit (I used to visit conservative underground when there were a couple of reasonable people there) to see what they are up to. I commend you for being able to do that. That group's attacks tend to be of the armchair quarterback kind. Amazing they have time to post so much B.S. when they've supposedly got these awesome jobs. 

Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #26)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:07 AM
 grasswire (32,737 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

30. but the ringleader is the very same person who took the attack to Andy

The one who sent Andy a telegram, and contacted the FBI, and so on.

[BadCat]

We have a 'ringleader'?

Who knew?

[franksolich]

We have a 'ringleader'?

Who knew?

That's what I'm wondering.

Come on, whoever you are, confess up.

[SarasotaRepub]

Not me either...

[Rugnuts]

We have a 'ringleader'?

Who knew?

with the way this circus gets sometimes, we should

[DumbAss Tanker]

I seem to recall it was one certain William "Where-da-15-year-old-girls-be-at" Plop (Or something like that) who blew the whistle at DU and yelled "Scam" to stop donations at the time...

[Karin]

We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire.  We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism.  Anything wrong with that? 

[miskie]

We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire.  We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism.  Anything wrong with that? 

They dislike any truths they find 'inconvenient' - Dawes will discover he has brought failure upon himself with his own words that are now lodged in sites such as Google, Yahoo, and Archive.org forever.

What he keep here at CC is just a smattering, with comments we would have posted at DU if it were permitted.

[Ogre]

We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire.  We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism.  Anything wrong with that? 

I can't understand it either.  They post stupid stuff, we point it out for all to see, and we're suddenly stalking them.

Pointing out Steve has "always backed socialism" WSWS, 30 Mar 2011, is no different than pointing out demtenjeep (formerly Greenbriar) is a admitted plagiarist, DU 18 Dec 2007.

See lurking DUmmies, their own words, no editing, no alteration, no cut and paste.

[franksolich]

We're not attacking Omaha Steve Dawes, Grasswire.  We're simply pointing out to the good people of Nebraska, should they choose to google his name, that he is a strong supporter of socialism.  Anything wrong with that?

Well now, one has to understand the grasswire primitive is a little old, and a little off.

One thing she's not, she's not infertile.  A great-great-grandmother of a 5-year-old at the age of 65.

Some rather precocious sexual maturity runs in the family, apparently.

Anyway.

The fecund grasswire primitive thinks that merely by quoting a primitive, decent and civilized people are "stalking" that primitive.  The primitives have a low threshhold for their definition of stalking, which of course has no relation, not even a distant one, to the usual and customary and legal definition of the activity.

By the way, I'm noticing there's a lot of ISP numbers (that aren't spiders or crawlers or whatevers) of "guests" visiting the Omaha Steve threads here the past couple of weeks--from Omaha, from Bellevue, from Papillion, from La Vista, from Ralston, from Plattsmouth.  Some of them of course might be primitives, others might be by-chance visitors, but quite possibly some might be voters from Bellevue.

[DumbAss Tanker]

The truth?  They can't handle the truth!

 

[Rugnuts]

I seem to recall it was one certain William "Where-da-15-year-old-girls-be-at" Plop (Or something like that) who blew the whistle at DU and yelled "Scam" to stop donations at the time...

from the recap i just read, it was was when will pitt started crying foul, the DU started hiding references to the fraud and it became a "we dont talk about that anymore" situation.

what i dont get, what did the CC supposedly have to do with it? did someone from here slip andy some polomium-210?

[GOBUCKS]

Well now, one has to understand the grasswire primitive is a little old, and a little off.

I'm afraid she's more than a little "off".

I wonder what poor, addled Judy has in her little red wagon today.

She reminds me so much of when I was a kid, and we had a poor fellow in town who would visit the barber shop several times a day to fill little medicine bottles with hair clippings.

[franksolich]

from the recap i just read, it was was when will pitt started crying foul, the DU started hiding references to the fraud and it became a "we dont talk about that anymore" situation.

what i dont get, what did the CC supposedly have to do with it? did someone from here slip andy some polomium-210?

conservativecave didn't exist back in April-May-June-July-August of 2005.

The reference is usually to our old home, conservativeunderground (now new and improved under new management), or to the DUmmie FUnnies on freerepublic, which were active in pursuing the scam.

Many members here were, or are, members of our old home and freerepublic, and given the fragile cerebral cells of the primitives, usually they get confused about which site is to "blame."

[Ogre]

Well now, one has to understand the grasswire primitive is a little old, and a little off.

One thing she's not, she's not infertile.  A great-great-grandmother of a 5-year-old at the age of 65.

Some rather precocious sexual maturity runs in the family, apparently.

Anyway.

The fecund grasswire primitive thinks that merely by quoting a primitive, decent and civilized people are "stalking" that primitive.  The primitives have a low threshhold for their definition of stalking, which of course has no relation, not even a distant one, to the usual and customary and legal definition of the activity.

By the way, I'm noticing there's a lot of ISP numbers (that aren't spiders or crawlers or whatevers) of "guests" visiting the Omaha Steve threads here the past couple of weeks--from Omaha, from Bellevue, from Papillion, from La Vista, from Ralston, from Plattsmouth.  Some of them of course might be primitives, others might be by-chance visitors, but quite possibly some might be voters from Bellevue.

The DUmmies have a low threshold for a lot of things, blessings, vulgarity, Christianity, etc. but their lowest threshold it seems is one mainly for productive work.

[Rugnuts]

By the way, I'm noticing there's a lot of ISP numbers (that aren't spiders or crawlers or whatevers) of "guests" ........ might be by-chance visitors, but quite possibly some might be voters from Bellevue.

hello

[vesta111]

from the recap i just read, it was was when will pitt started crying foul, the DU started hiding references to the fraud and it became a "we dont talk about that anymore" situation.

what i dont get, what did the CC supposedly have to do with it? did someone from here slip andy some polomium-210?

Gees Rugnuts, what the Hell happend to that man, he sure looks awful.   How on earth could this be a fraud, did he recover after getting donations and go on to suddenly become a young handsome man with out medical help??

Just what medical problem did he say he had, one picture looks like he had Leprosy, nose falling off.

[delilahmused]

Response to grasswire (Reply #25)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 02:06 AM
 ScreamingMeemie (57,205 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

26. Isn't that the splinter group off of conservative underground?

I won't give them the page hit (I used to visit conservative underground when there were a couple of reasonable people there) to see what they are up to. I commend you for being able to do that. That group's attacks tend to be of the armchair quarterback kind. Amazing they have time to post so much B.S. when they've supposedly got these awesome jobs.

Hey grasswire, you're welcome here anytime. Bring a pie or two. Oh, and FYI, while you're busy THINKING about selling pies to help music education I spend years coordinating the Art Literacy program at my sons' grade school (til I pulled 'em out) and built from scratch a program at the local middle school because they didn't have one. We even put on huge productions for the community to allow them to come in and learn about things like Egyptian art with hands on activities. Didn't cost me a dime...just time. If you really want to have an impact spend the time you think about having a donation pie shop volunteering in the music department of your local schools. You know, that whole "think globally, act locally" thing. Put your time where your mouth is.

Cindie

[Rugnuts]

vesta, that picture is of two guys critical of the Putin regime. they were poisoned by the KGB. at least the the theory.

this andy fella died (still not sure if it was pancratic cancer or what) and the DU almost hold CC accountable for it. i was merely sarcastically insinuating a polonium-210 type conspiracy.

[Carl]

Hey DUmmies,don`t want to look like idiots,stop saying idiotic things.

[franksolich]

Beth at that campfire:

EFerrari (159,285 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

29. Skinner briefly banned discussion of our fundraising for Andy, his illness and his treatment until the details could be confirmed and while Andy's stalkers were causing all kinds of grief for Andy, his supporters and DU.

Details were never confirmed; the termite primitive promised my fellow alum Skins that the red round one would provide them, but the red round one never returned any of Skins's telephone calls.

Beth needs to refresh her memory.

[vesta111]

vesta, that picture is of two guys critical of the Putin regime. they were poisoned by the KGB. at least the the theory.

this andy fella died (still not sure if it was pancratic cancer or what) and the DU almost hold CC accountable for it. i was merely sarcastically insinuating a polonium-210 type conspiracy.

You talking about the tip of an umberella accidently hitting a fella in the butt?   This Polonium-210 seems to work.

[Airwolf]

Just for the lurkers. OmahaSteve posted what he posted. All screen caps are his own doing and as I have said before ,no one put a gun to his head nor did they otherwise coerce him to post anything that didn't fly out of that vapid little mind of his. Just because OmahaSteve is to much of a coward to admit what he posted and has gone over to his pals at DU to cry foul ,it doesn't make it any less true. Oh and for anyone in his district that he is running in you may want to contact this organization to let them know about what OmahaSteve has been doing.

 http://nebraska.watchdog.org/

[chitownchica]

I wasn't around during the Andy scam, but while perusing Nadin's vast wealth of documentation (aka 'teh google'), I came across this interesting exchange.  The most important part is Flyarm's info. I included the first quote for background.

http://www.oldelmtree.com/showthread.php?tid=6305&pid=206297

TheCrone Wrote:  I want to mention this, as it is rather important now that the new DU3 is out, and seems to be about as repressive a forum as could exist.

No one ever mentions the tombstoning of topics supporting Andy Stephenson, back in May and June of 2005.

Although back in May of 2005, DU Admins allowed EFerrarai to raise the money Andy Stephenson needed for his cancer operations, by early June of 2005, topics discussing Andy were no longer allowed on DU. The most RW fanatics in the world had raised the bogus issue that Andy was not sick, and had pretended to be ill, all to raise money.

One of the biggest problems Andy faced was that he simply was too decent a person. For whatever reason, it is people who are superlative humans that often get thrown under the bus.

He had worked so hard for so long on the election fraud issue, always being the "best" friend of countless people that he met. Then in December 2004, Bev Harris snapped (there is simply no other word for it.) She made the decision to fire Andy from the organization that he had worked for and that he and Bev had created, and that Bev ran, Black Box Voting.

She was totally unclear about her reasons for firing Andy. She chose to do this on the same day that Andy had gone back to Texas, due to the death of his beloved older sister. A friend of Andy's pranked Bev and called her, pretending they were disgusted with Andy and asking her why she hadn't fired him sooner.

Well, that person's remark caused Bev to unleash a tsunami of negative comments - among them the "fact" that while Bev had needed Andy to set up an interview between Bev and Keith Olbermann, Andy had set it up so he could have the interview himself. (According to Bev's warped perception.) Bev stated that Andy's egomaniacal tendencies were simply too much for her, and that once she realized Andy was setting up the KO show interview for himself, stabbing her, his mentor in the back - she was forced to fire him.

Of course,when this got relayed back to Andy (within five minutes of the phone call to Bev) much minor hilarity and astonishment ensued. None of this was true. But Andy was fired none the less.

The prank caller also phoned Bev back to let her know that she had been pranked, in order to get Bev to reveal why Andy had been fired, and that the caller thought that Andy was among the ranks of the most professional activists that had walked the face of the earth.

Whether Bev Harris orchestrated the RW blow back in mid May 2005, that caused the rumor campaign that Andy was faking his cancer, will probably never be known. But the Admins shut down any mention of Andy all through late May and early June 2005 when Andy needed friends and support.

It was pointed out to the Admins through emails that Andy had provided full disclosure of his illness, and that there were even phone numbers of the doctor and nurses who had operated on him at Johns Hopkins Hospital in May. But the Admins, fearing for their own safety and reputation, allowed for no topics about AS.

Of course in the end, Andy gave the Admins the "proof" of his illness they required. He died in early July, and then it was possible to have discussions on DU about Andy and his death.

A person has to wonder, if he had miraculously recovered from the cancer, if he wold have been given a full blown Tombstone.

Flyarm's take on it is interesting. Is she talking about Beth et al scamming the system?

Well you have a piece of the story but very incomplete..and it sort of distorts all of what happened and what went down.
but through promises with Andy's mom and his family and loved ones I won't under any circumstances make the corrections...or dscuss what really happened with Andy and Bev..I won't do it for my own safety and health as well!

But i will say this..Andy was sick..he was a very sick young man with an incurable disease and the worst type of Pancreatic Cancer one could have ..and the rarest form.
I know this as I was the lady who took care of Andy after the surgery , i was the one who got him into the doc at JH and I was with him throughout the surgery.

I was with Andy's partner when the surgeon came out of the Whipple surgery.Andy's partner did not understand then nor till later how serious his cancer was ..the surgeon recognised that and spoke to me very seriously.. to make me understand how bad Andy's condition was, as I was going to be his caretaker.

I held him when he found out he was going to die from this cancer and that the cancer spread and was very agressive and rare...that he may not ever make it to chemo...and his days were numbered.

What was done to him by so called people who made out like they were advocating for him was dispicable. Many who are out right liars..and were more concerned with boasting their own importance!

I STAYED SILENT, AS WELL AS THREE OTHER PEOPLE WHO KNEW THE TRUTH . Out of respect for Andy's privacy as well as the privacy of his partner and his family. But believe me I watch the phoney sobs who used Andy for their own importance!

Andy knew who they were and he knew it to his end.He even attempted to pay them back...to his last days ..and in his own way.

Thats all I have to say about it..the people who betrayed him know damn well who they are..i just wonder how they live with themselves..their own importance in using Andy superceded the bullshit they projected to others.
I have to believe ..what goes around comes around..it is just not always on our own timetable.

Andy told me everything..and people who project to think they know what occured are in most cases off base...in many cases ..way off base.

I chose to respect Andy's moms wishes and I respect Andy's privacy ..even or more aptly..especially in his death.

fly

[Ptarmigan]

I remember Andy Stephenson. It has been almost 7 years. What a mess it was!