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« on: January 26, 2012, 03:40:51 PM »
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 No more.

I am 46. When I was a young boy I remember seeing the news when folks returned home from Vietnam. Scattered memories of that time are still in my mind. I remember man walking on the moon (a brief memory to be sure of the TV, I was but a toddler). I still recall when I was small being in Byesville, Ohio, and seeing on the news that in Columbus (where I lived and we were getting ready to head home to) that the KKK was protesting, and being afraid.

I didn't know who they were or exactly what it was they were protesting against except what I had heard the adults talking about. I knew it was about black people and such, but what it was all about escaped me.

I grew up while Vietnam was going on, and the cold war. I feared the Russians, I caught glimpses of of the war and heard the songs my parents and others listened to but barely understood them.

During my teen years I remember Reagan and the cold war more. I was always afraid of nuclear war and didn't get why we were all at 'war'. I played chess and met several people from the Soviet Union and they were just like me. The people, it seemed, did not want war. They didn't want to take over the US. They just wanted their own life and freedom to be themselves.

Time marched on. The threat of communists and the Soviets faded. The fear of the world ending in a nuclear holocaust subsided. Enemies became friends. The folks I had seen at chess tournaments who were once seen as political refugees were now free to go home, the iron curtain was now nothing more than a phrase that had more to do with the Steelers than the Soviets.

It seemed as if peace might just have a chance. And then, there was a new 'enemy'.

I remember laying with my son when he was just a toddler beneath a tree and looking up at the sky at one point in the early 90's. We were looking at the clouds and I was so thankful he was not growing up with the fear I had grown up with.

The same son who recently went to Iraq.

I thought we had 'won'. The days of fearing that any day the Russians would launch a nuclear attack were over.

It was replaced with a new fear. Terrorists. A term we could apply to any action or any person or group.

I grew up being scared of us being a war. Well, I guess I could say I grew up in fear. And that fear is still being peddled.

Now instead of having a common enemy we fought against - me and you are the potential enemies.

Now we have wars without end, and even when one ends we are hearing that others need to start just to protect us from nations like Iran.

Iran is nowhere close to the old Soviets.

And I say - No more.

We won. We have the mightiest military in the world. We spend the most of any country on earth on defense - yet we keep telling the people that we are not safe and need to spend even more.

We have more enemies and fear than we have ever had. I still remember going to the airport to see my dad off on his business trips and there was no TSA. I did not fear my fellow citizen. Now I am told that we are all potential terrorists. I am told to fear me and you.

The new enemy is us, and everyone else.

I thought we won. We didn't.

The RW is itching for a war with Iran, one which my son would be pulled into. I am told that now the world is worse off than it was - well I grew up scared that when I went to bed a nuclear missile was headed our way. That fear is gone. And here we are in the 21st century and my oldest son was sent to war - came home - and those on the right are trying to find a reason to send him to another one.

No more. No more wars from fear. No more killing families in countries far away out of fear that those people might invade us.

You tell me that Reagan won the cold war, made us safer - and then you tell me that it means nothing and you send our kids to war.

My grandkids are at about the same age as my son was when I thought we were done with it all. Now my greatest fear is not that the soviets will attack us - but who we will attack next in the name of 'peace'.


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2. Ah, my dear Straight Story...

Your beautiful post makes me weep...

Thank you.




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5. I can certainly dig where you are coming from

I am 38, so my memory does not go back as far as yours. But I remember crying and feeling sick when someone told me what "nuclear war with the Soviet Union is inevitable." I remember seeing "The Day After" as a 10 year old and lying in bed that night, sure that every sound I heard was leading to a bomb falling. I remember learning about the Soviet Union and its allies and how evil they were and how sad and bad off the people that lived in those countries are, and how great and noble ours is. But then I remember the electrifying joy of the Berlin Wall falling, which had significance as I was in German II in high school when this happened, and we had learned a lot about how sad and miserable life was in East Germany. I remember Gorbachev being presented as someone who was ending decades of Communist tyranny. We were winning the cold war, suddenly those people in the Communist Bloc were going to be free! There was to be no nuclear war! There were bumps and hitches for a few years, as when the former Yugoslavia was coming apart in a terrible civil war. But things like that seemed so far away. Then Shrubery happened. And we went to war with another noun, another -ism, this time terrorism. We were lied into a war with Iraq, we ended up in Afghanistan. As Iraq is pretty well wrapped up now, and Afghanistan is closer to being so. Now, we have saber rattling from the US. We have a mess of RW nutcases, thirsty to send us into Iran, probably Syria too and no telling where else. They want those lucrative no-bid contracts to get that money siphoned to their buddies the military contractors. They want to make sure their base has their cars buried in yellow ribbon magnets, telling everyone who does not worship at the right wing altar to get out.

Some day, it would be nice to again feel a little optimism about the US and its place in the world.

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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2012, 03:46:40 PM »
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5. I can certainly dig where you are coming from

I am 38, so my memory does not go back as far as yours. But I remember crying and feeling sick when someone told me what "nuclear war with the Soviet Union is inevitable."

WTF? No you don't, you sniveling little *****. I'm the same age as you. Stop trying to act like you lived during the "nuke drill days" in the early 60's.
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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2012, 03:48:49 PM »
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No more. No more wars from fear. No more killing families in countries far away out of fear that those people might invade us.

Save that shit for the republicans, where it belongs!
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 03:51:01 PM »
I'm 53 and I barely remember the Vietnam war since I was less then 10 years old for much of it going on.  Stupid bouncy tales. That makes the OP born about 1966 and the war ended in 72 for the US.
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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 03:53:55 PM »
No more Obama wars!!!

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 04:00:37 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 04:15:11 PM »
Was that a bouncy or the plot for the sitcom The Wonder Years?
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 07:02:29 PM »
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No more.

I am 46.
Now that's astonishing! I'd always thought of DUmmy The Straight Story as maybe ten years older than that.

It's just amazing that someone could make such an absolute mess of their life and still be in their forties.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2012, 07:09:23 PM »
Now that's astonishing! I'd always thought of DUmmy The Straight Story as maybe ten years older than that.

It's just amazing that someone could make such an absolute mess of their life and still be in their forties.
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2012, 07:26:52 PM »
It kinda seems like we didn't start this latest fiasco, we just reacted to stop the need for DUmmies to fear everything.   ::)  But wait, aren't we supposed to be the ones that live in fear of everything?  Ooops... SS messed up that story line, poor whiny baby.   :tongue:
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2012, 07:41:16 PM »
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>snip<
Some day, it would be nice to again feel a little optimism about the US and its place in the world.
If that is what you want, vote Republican this coming November.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2012, 08:10:49 PM »
I am 47 and I remember that democrats from McGovern to Obama have been wrong on everything.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2012, 08:54:21 PM »
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 No more.

I am 46. When I was a young boy I remember seeing the news when folks returned home from Vietnam. Scattered memories of that time are still in my mind. I remember man walking on the moon (a brief memory to be sure of the TV, I was but a toddler). I still recall when I was small being in Byesville, Ohio, and seeing on the news that in Columbus (where I lived and we were getting ready to head home to) that the KKK was protesting, and being afraid.

I'm 52 and remember when my uncle came home from Vietnam. Had no idea what a war was. He did stop in Germany on the way home and got me a really neat Alice in Wonderland doll. I didn't pay a darn bit of attention to the news so would've had no idea about the KKK. I did, however, look forward to chicken fried steak day at school.

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I didn't know who they were or exactly what it was they were protesting against except what I had heard the adults talking about. I knew it was about black people and such, but what it was all about escaped me.


I didn't pay attention either. Except they looked loud and dirty. Still, I could care less, other than seeing a few kids putting on disgustingly grubby and ripped clothing to be hippies for Halloween.

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I grew up while Vietnam was going on, and the cold war. I feared the Russians, I caught glimpses of of the war and heard the songs my parents and others listened to but barely understood them.


My mom listened to The New Christie Minstrels, Petulia Clark (I loved the song "Downtown") and Elvis. Why would I fear the Russians? I was a kid, crap like that was irrelevant. I had ballet recitals and Barbie fashions to think about.

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During my teen years I remember Reagan and the cold war more. I was always afraid of nuclear war and didn't get why we were all at 'war'. I played chess and met several people from the Soviet Union and they were just like me. The people, it seemed, did not want war. They didn't want to take over the US. They just wanted their own life and freedom to be themselves.


Even as a teen I didn't really have any concept of nuclear war. There really wasn't any "war" per se so what the heck did I care. I thought it was sad that people had to live in communist countries where they had no freedom and went hungry. But there were boys & rock concerts & gymnastics meets I was too busy to feel angst over something so far away from my life. I do remember gas lines, though because I'd just started driving then.

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Time marched on. The threat of communists and the Soviets faded. The fear of the world ending in a nuclear holocaust subsided. Enemies became friends. The folks I had seen at chess tournaments who were once seen as political refugees were now free to go home, the iron curtain was now nothing more than a phrase that had more to do with the Steelers than the Soviets.


Thank you President Reagan! You changed the world and people who hadn't been free for decades could now make their own decisions.

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It seemed as if peace might just have a chance. And then, there was a new 'enemy'.

Thank you, Carter for being such a *****! You allowed an Islamic extremist to become the leader of Iran and made the world more dangerous. I guess I shouldn't expect anything brave from a man who couldn't even fight off a bunny.

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I remember laying with my son when he was just a toddler beneath a tree and looking up at the sky at one point in the early 90's. We were looking at the clouds and I was so thankful he was not growing up with the fear I had grown up with.

Really, if that's the only fear you faced, some vague fear far away and it still causes you angst to this day then you pretty much didn't have any problems growing up. I had the childhood from hell, while you were worried about a bunch of Russians I was just trying to get through the day. I guess that's what makes you so weak, you have to manufacture hardship and pain.

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The same son who recently went to Iraq.

You should be proud of him...he grew up with bigger balls than you. Must not have spent a lot of time around you growing up. Probably had a real male role model.

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I thought we had 'won'. The days of fearing that any day the Russians would launch a nuclear attack were over.

It was replaced with a new fear. Terrorists. A term we could apply to any action or any person or group.

Oh for Heaven's sake! Really? Don't worry so much your son and my son have your back. I doubt you'll be going to the middle east anytime soon so you won't be near any terrorists.

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I grew up being scared of us being a war. Well, I guess I could say I grew up in fear. And that fear is still being peddled.

Now instead of having a common enemy we fought against - me and you are the potential enemies.

You're a suicide bomber?

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Now we have wars without end, and even when one ends we are hearing that others need to start just to protect us from nations like Iran.

Iran is nowhere close to the old Soviets.

Yeah, I know, every time I turn around 0bama's starting another war! So much for that peace prize, huh?

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And I say - No more.

We won. We have the mightiest military in the world. We spend the most of any country on earth on defense - yet we keep telling the people that we are not safe and need to spend even more.

Yeah, cuz everyone really cares what you think. Write your president...he's the one making the world less safe.

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We have more enemies and fear than we have ever had. I still remember going to the airport to see my dad off on his business trips and there was no TSA. I did not fear my fellow citizen. Now I am told that we are all potential terrorists. I am told to fear me and you.

The new enemy is us, and everyone else.

Yeah I know, the TSA sucks! Just another bloated government department that collects union wages and does a piss poor job. Every time some newspaper or other organization tries to get through with some kind of contraband they're successful a good part of the time. Meanwhile, little old ladies are getting frisked so we can be "sensitive" and not be accused of racial profiling. I highly doubt my grandmother is going to hide a pipe bomb in her walker. I don't think she even knows what a pipe bomb is.

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I thought we won. We didn't.

The RW is itching for a war with Iran, one which my son would be pulled into. I am told that now the world is worse off than it was - well I grew up scared that when I went to bed a nuclear missile was headed our way. That fear is gone. And here we are in the 21st century and my oldest son was sent to war - came home - and those on the right are trying to find a reason to send him to another one.

The RW? Are you serious? Look at your guy in the White House? All he does is launch bombs at independent nations, read pretty words off a teleprompter (even at a grade school...it's a good thing he didn't have to read "My Pet Goat", he'd probably have to look up from the book and read it from the TOTUS), campaign and throw class warfare bones to you guys. But you really worried about a nuclear missile was gonna hit you? What kind of parents did you have that filled your head with that crap. No wonder you're so pathetic. But hey, don't worry about it, your son can handle it, else he wouldn't have enlisted.

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No more. No more wars from fear. No more killing families in countries far away out of fear that those people might invade us.

But you repeat yourself! Poetic emphasis, I guess.

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You tell me that Reagan won the cold war, made us safer - and then you tell me that it means nothing and you send our kids to war.

My grandkids are at about the same age as my son was when I thought we were done with it all. Now my greatest fear is not that the soviets will attack us - but who we will attack next in the name of 'peace'.

Whose this you? Your guy is in charge...why don't you hold him accountable and protest for him to pull troops out of all these different theaters, especially the ones he got us in. But last time I checked, we have an all volunteer army. Your son is serving because he wants to, so suck on it.  Sheesh! What a whiner!

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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 09:03:43 PM »
So, he wants us to withdraw from the war on drugs and the war on poverty?

(I don't like drugs, but our entire drug policy is vastly expensive, corrosive to civil rights, and totally ineffective, much the same as our welfare policies.)
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 09:47:21 PM »
Just because the Russians failed to keep their empire together doesn't mean they are no less a treat to anyone. They still have enough ICBMs to wipe out anyone and I'm sure putin knows that otherwise they wouldn't keep bitching about keeping off Iran's case. All they would need to do is give them one nuke and then who knows where it could go after that.
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 05:16:16 AM »
I'm 53 and I barely remember the Vietnam war since I was less then 10 years old for much of it going on.  Stupid bouncy tales. That makes the OP born about 1966 and the war ended in 72 for the US.

I, too, am 53, but I remember the anti-war protests on the news every night, the college student unrest and riots, the nightly causality count from Walter Cronkite.

I also remember wondering why in the hell these college dumbasses were on the street rioting instead of in classrooms.  I figured since I had to go to school, why not them!  

I REALLY got pissed off at them when I realized they (or their parents) PAID for them to act like dumbasses on college campuses.

Oh, and TSS, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out (again).
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2012, 07:26:32 AM »
"I did not fear my fellow citizen. Now I am told that we are all potential terrorists. I am told to fear me and you."
Well, the pathetic little coward has a point about that, but not in the way he thinks. Napolitano flat- out proclaimed that every single conservative American, especially war veterans and/ or those who attend Tea Party protests, is a potential terrorist.
As Delilah points out, it's the liberals who demand that little old ladies get frisked and x- rayed out of fear of being accused of racism if more security attention is paid to those who are actually likely to commit acts of terrorism.
btw, for all this loser's attempts to compare the Cold War to the War on Terror, the Russians didn't flat out attack the United States the way that Muslim terrorists have been doing and attempting to do for over a decade. Being cautious about being attacked by an enemy that has already attacked you in the past and that has no intention of stopping is not an unreasonable reaction.
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In a way, I'm glad to read that DU post. Know why?
Most people who know me well know that I can be a rather nervous, jittery person at times. I have been called "Wuss" many times in the past. I have been making several changes in my lifestyle within the past year (i.e. preparing to eventually enter ministry), and many of those changes have scared me, made me more nervous than usual, afraid of messing up (I have a gargantuan fear of failure). You know what, though? I keep going. Unlike this DUmmie turd, I try not to let my fears inhibit me from becoming a better person, and I certainly don't whine about them the way he did all throughout his sniveling post. Pushing through what you're afraid of makes you stronger. I was particularly reminded of this a couple weekends ago. I was helping to lead my church's confirmation class in a weekend retreat, and on our last full day there, we did the High Ropes Courses. One of the kids in my particular group was a girl about twelve years old, whom I'll call "Tanya." She had a massive fear of heights, so much so that on the first high challenge, Tanya only made it about halfway up the initial climb to the tightrope before getting overwhelmed and having to come back down in tears. However, later that day, we did another high challenge, one much more daunting than the first one. Tanya not only made the climb, she went above and beyond on it, while all of us on the ground (Myself included) cheered. It was definitely one of the high points of the weekend, and inspired me to be more willing to overcome my own fears.
While that little girl showed me what true courage looks like, "The Straight Story" has now shown me what true cowardice looks like.
I now feel a lot better about myself, and am grateful for that.

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2012, 07:59:27 AM »
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 No more.

I am 46. When I was a young boy I remember seeing the news when folks returned home from Vietnam. Scattered memories of that time are still in my mind. I remember man walking on the moon (a brief memory to be sure of the TV, I was but a toddler). I still recall when I was small being in Byesville, Ohio, and seeing on the news that in Columbus (where I lived and we were getting ready to head home to) that the KKK was protesting, and being afraid.

I didn't know who they were or exactly what it was they were protesting against except what I had heard the adults talking about. I knew it was about black people and such, but what it was all about escaped me.

I grew up while Vietnam was going on, and the cold war. I feared the Russians, I caught glimpses of of the war and heard the songs my parents and others listened to but barely understood them.

During my teen years I remember Reagan and the cold war more. I was always afraid of nuclear war and didn't get why we were all at 'war'. I played chess and met several people from the Soviet Union and they were just like me. The people, it seemed, did not want war. They didn't want to take over the US. They just wanted their own life and freedom to be themselves.

Every bit of this is complete and utter bullshit! If you were born in the mid sixties there is no way in hell you remember the Viet-Nam  war! There is also no way in hell an American teenager would personally know anyone from the Soviet Union in the 80's! ::)
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2012, 08:10:03 AM »
DUmmies are raised with two mommies....and they are both wussies.

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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 08:12:17 AM »
I'm close to the same age as TSS.  Vietnam didn't even register in my head until I was 6 or 7 years old as we were withdrawing.  I remember sitting with my family in a car overnight in the Colorado mountains, freezing my little balls off because some dipshits decided to pull an oil embargo and none was available until morning, and was late for school the next day.  I remember the day Nixon announced his resignation and my mother and her friend were overjoyed at the news.  I grew up with Carter--a decline in America, a failure in every sense of the word.

I came of age under Reagan's first term--times were tough, but it was the first time in my life I knew what a struggle life would be, and the rewards which could be mine if I applied myself.  I knew there was a system of government which opposed that, and which threated that chance for success.  So I decided to serve my country.  I knew pride.  I knew fear.  I knew lonliness, anger, pain, as well as accomplishment, joy, and fulfillment.  I was on the point of the spear.  I was closer to the weapons of war than 99 percent of Americans will ever be, including those fearsome weapons which would destroy us all in a ball of radioactive fire if used.  This I did for over a decade.  The Soviet Union fell.  Saddam rose, then fell.

"Peace" came over the land, so we were told.  So we dismantled our arms, as we had done so many times in our history.  Yet we never anticipated or saw the threat which was forming on our shores, originated from a land far away.  So in a sense, we are responsible for 9/11 because the architects of that day were offered to our government, but they took no action.  We were, after all, at peace, weren't we?

All boils down to three quotes:

"Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the United States was too strong." -Ronaldus Maximus

"You can have peace.  Or you can have freedom.  Don't ever count on having both at once." -Robert A. Heinlein

"Si vis pacem, para bellum." -Vegetius
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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 08:13:53 AM »
Every bit of this is complete and utter bullshit! If you were born in the mid sixties there is no way in hell you remember the Viet-Nam  war! There is also no way in hell an American teenager would personally know anyone from the Soviet Union in the 80's! ::)

Actually, that's not quite true.  One of my friends from HS did a trip to the Soviet Union back in 1983 between our junior and senior years of HS.  She's a lib, but came back with some interesting perspectives on life and people there.  I still came away thinking that communism was evil, but hey.
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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 08:21:00 AM »
Actually, that's not quite true.  One of my friends from HS did a trip to the Soviet Union back in 1983 between our junior and senior years of HS.  She's a lib, but came back with some interesting perspectives on life and people there.  I still came away thinking that communism was evil, but hey.
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Re: No More ( guess who )
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2012, 09:08:15 AM »
Every bit of this is complete and utter bullshit! If you were born in the mid sixties there is no way in hell you remember the Viet-Nam  war! There is also no way in hell an American teenager would personally know anyone from the Soviet Union in the 80's! ::)

He also doesn't seem to understand that his 'Soviet chess buddies'  :bs: don't make policy anymore then he does. Seems he thinks that Reagan and the US were the aggressor in the Cold War. And I was a teen then too and I remember those times, but I looked at them through very immature, inexperienced eyes. I may have asked the same question he did, but by the time I got to the age I am I realize that I viewed life through those very inexperienced lenses. It's amazing a 46 year old man has not progressed and developed beyond 16 years of age.

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 09:20:56 AM »
He also doesn't seem to understand that his 'Soviet chess buddies'  :bs: don't make policy anymore then he does. Seems he thinks that Reagan and the US were the aggressor in the Cold War. And I was a teen then too and I remember those times, but I looked at them through very immature, inexperienced eyes. I may have asked the same question he did, but by the time I got to the age I am I realize that I viewed life through those very inexperienced lenses. It's amazing a 46 year old man has not progressed and developed beyond 16 years of age.
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I played chess and met several people from the Soviet Union and they were just like me
1.No way he's smart enough to play chess. 2. I remember what it took for Soviets to get to the U.S from the stories of the Soviet hockey players who had to pretty much flee under cover of night in order to come to the U.S to play for the Red Wings in the late 80's. Mike Illitch had to literally bribe Soviet officials to turn a blind eye as these players fled the country. I am highly skeptical the Soviets at that time would allow Soviet teens to come here to play chess....but i could be wrong i guess.
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