leftchick
Join Date:Dec 2011
Posts:194U.S. troops quietly surge into Middle East
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L0oniX
Join Date:Dec 2011
Location:The Great Satan
Posts:11You can never spend enough on the Pentagon ...if you are a sociopath. Hey ...how about we send Mr. Bomb Bomb Iran Mc Insane over there to drop the first bomb.
McCain? Why McCain? Idjit though McCain may be he's has served in combat and beyond.
Why not send the half non-white guy?
To some place like...
...Libya.
We never hear that shit, do we?
blindpig
What mystifies me is why anyone who has been paying any degree of attention would expect any of these politicians to follow thru on campaign promises. Paul in particular lies like a rug or is seriously delusional. So he's going to dismantle American Imperialism in the face of the MIC and the massive vested interests? Hoho, wanna buy a bridge?
Nothing short of a people's revolution will stop the imperialists.
marshwren
And the methodology of this "people's revolution" would be?....
blindpig
Boy, you are sure persistent. I expect that you would have me lay out a detailed plan involving armed insurrection, mass executions and all sorts of features to titillate your fetid imagination. Give it up, I am neither oracle nor delusional. As there is not a viable revolutionary party in existence in this country we are so far from such conversation as to be meaningless. It will happen because the objective situation leaves no viable alternative. Beyond that subjective factors come into play and all is currently beyond the horizon.
sarah connor
Without organized resistance to the capitalists (ie strong labor/trade associations, Communist or Socialist political parties, etc) it's impossible to know what a "revolution" would look like. And the historical record is of no use in this situation as USians have become a culture of people so detached from their conditions as to be almost caricatures of their own distress.
The way things are, a large segment of the population refusing to pay their credit card bills or rent or some such could look like a "revolution."
marshwren
I'm just asking for a plan, ANY plan--it's an open question and you can fill in the blank any way you want; except whenever asked, your answer is still the functional equivalent of a blank. So, given how quickly and casually you dismiss, with utmost contempt, the legal, peaceful means of opposition (e.g., contesting elections, marches, rallies, citizens campaigns in- and out-side of the electoral process, etc), AND your dogmatic refusal to commit to anything beyond that, do you really have a plan at all? Or you do, but are just too chickenshit to admit to (let alone explain) it?
pimp hand 1, blindpig 0
dawnb58
I couldn't agree more, 'Wren. Posters who talk about "revolution" don't have any credibility with me - unless it does involve peaceful means, such as marches, contesting elections, rallies, and citizens' campaigns and boycotts. Before I jump on board - in terms of a movement - leaders will have to present a plan, and let me know what the goal is (visualize what the world they would like to see, in fairly specific detail). For example, does the leader believe that "property is theft?" Do the movement's leaders advocate violence?
sarah connor
What's with the red baiting on this site?
Explain "property is theft."
The person opnely advocating for the communist party is crying over red-baiting.
dawnb58
Red-baiting? I don't know what you are talking about. It's funny that you should post that phrase without defining it. Certain posters at Progressive Independent (now defunct) used it quite a bit, and would never specifically delineate what they meant by it.
"Explain 'property is theft.'" That was just an example of an idea espoused by posters I've encountered who've talked about "a people's revolution" being necessary. These posters consistently declined to explain what their phrases meant. These posters frequently spoke of Karl Marx's ideas a lot, and also Pisarev's. Before I would participate in a movement that espoused a "people's revolution," I would have to understand what the philosophy of the movement's leaders was (e.g. was it Marxism, did it involve violence). That's all.
The point-of-view I expressed has absolutely nothing to do with Obama, or Bush, or any particular politician. So, I'm simply going to ignore that reference. It doesn't make sense to me. I don't defend politicians.
marshwren
Oh, you mean asking blindpig or pinko a question they won't, or can't, answer? Red-baiting? Yeah, right, whatever...
ixion
A public board is not the place for answers to the questions you were asking, unless, of course, you want to win a free trip to GITMO. You realize that, don't you?
planz. we haz them
AverageJoe
Blindpig how does calling for a communist revolution in the U.S. address the original post on this thread? If you want to stump for Trotsky, Marx, Lenin and Stalin then why not start a new thread instead of highjacking this one.
My posts on this thread concern Ron Paul, the only candidate left or right who honestly promises to end the wars and curb American military involvement abroad. Notice how that had to do with the OP?
Revisionist history is always dangerous. It tends to be used to subvert truth and reverse the roles of the participants. The fact is that mass graves in countless countries contain more than 150,000,000 victims of socialism/communism at the hands of the Soviets, the ChiComs and their lesser minions. Mao and Joe make Adolph look like a cub scout.
July 4 1917~ Communist revolutionaries open fire on crowds of civilians with Maxim machine guns on the streets of Petrograd.
blindpig
Hijacking was certainly not my intent, however I felt compelled to respond to certain posters who seem intent upon pursuing old arguments.
As per 'revisionist', we might consider who is doing the revising. I would suggest that the revising was done by the Nazis, whose lies the OSS\CIA found convenient along with their own fabrications and distortions and the subsequent Cold War propaganda machine which continues to this day in the form of Robert Service and his ilk.
Yep, that photo of commies gunning down unarmed civilians...totally faked by the then-non-existent Nazis and picked up by the OSS/CIA.
blindpig
Dunno about 'the nature of the beast' but distortions of any nature do us no good service if we are to analyse the past in a manner that allows us to correct and improve our program. There is certainly some whitewashing from the left, it is counterproductive. On the other hand there is scholarship and analysis ongoing which is giving us a clearer picture of what went on and why. As marxists this is demanded of us.
Yeah, the scholarship that says that you support a movement that murders 100 million of its own citizens and then get to (re)write it off as a Nazi/OSS/CIA slur.
And on it goes.
http://www.leftunderground.com/threads/1578-U-S-troops-quietly-surge-into-Middle-East/page2
